bearister said:

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So give me a linked source for this. Thanks.

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oski003 said:

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bearister said:

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oski003 said:

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It is kind of funny that the FBI is wiretapping everyone in Trump's orbit, and the best they can do is find out that one time Russian folks were trying to give Trump's team information on how Russia was illegally funding the DNC.

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1. Please provide citation with link for support of FBI wiretapping of tRump associate (other than convicted felon Manafort and Carter Page); and

2. Please provide citation with link for support of Russia funding the DNC.

Thank you.

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1) We learned that in the final days of the 2016 presidential race, when the Clinton campaign came up with the Steele dossier a collection of sensational and unsupported allegations about Trump and Russia the FBI used the dossier to win approval to wiretap Carter Page, a low-level former Trump campaign adviser. Then we learned that also in 2016, the FBI used a confidential informant, a professor named Stefan Halper, to spy on Page and George Papadopoulos, another low-level Trump adviser.

Then we learned that in 2016, the FBI sent an undercover agent a woman who used the alias Azra Turk to secretly record conversations with Papadopoulos.

In a court filing Friday, Durham reported that in July 2016, a tech executive named Rodney Joffe (he is unnamed in the court papers, but his name has been widely reported) worked with the Clinton campaign's law firm to "mine internet data," some of it "non-public and/or proprietary" that means secret to search for information that could be used to claim a Trump-Russia connection. Among the secret data that was "exploited," according to Durham, was internet traffic from Trump Tower, from Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building and after Trump was elected the executive office of the president of the United States, or EOP.

Joffe's company, Durham says, "had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement" a government contract to provide tech services. They then "exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP's [internet] traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump."

After that, the Clinton team went to the CIA to try to get the nation's spy agency interested in the anti-Trump effort. That mirrored earlier Clinton approaches to the FBI, when Clinton operatives tried to interest agents in what is known as the "Alfa Bank" story, which was a phony allegation that there were all sorts of suspicious connections between a Russian bank and the Trump campaign.

The bigger goal of all of it, Durham says, was "to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia." So there was a two-track operation going on: While the FBI was doing spying of its own, the Clinton team was spying, too, and trying to get the FBI and CIA involved. It was all part of a larger plan to push the "narrative" of Trump-Russia collusion.

How did it end? You'll remember that a special counsel, Robert Mueller, using all the resources and powers of federal law enforcement, searched for collusion for years and could never establish that it happened, much less that any Trump campaign figures might have been involved.

The new revelation is confirmation for some of the Republicans who uncovered the early clues of the spying operation. "Democrat-paid operatives illegally hacked their political opponents' communications during a presidential campaign and then did it again to a sitting president and the White House staff," said Devin Nunes, who as House Intelligence Committee chairman investigated the spying allegations. He just left Congress and is now CEO of the new Trump social media venture.

2) I am not sure why you are asking this. Some Russian duped someone in Trump's team that they had this info and then apparently didn't. That was the premise of this HUGE smoking gun meeting you are referring to.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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bearister said:

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Just wanted to make sure this got logged in the official thread record:

Judge tosses Donald Trump's Russia probe lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, FBI | PBS NewsHour


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/judge-tosses-donald-trumps-russia-probe-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton-fbi


UK judge dismisses Trump's lawsuit over dossier containing 'shocking and scandalous claims' | PBS NewsHour


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/uk-judge-dismisses-trumps-lawsuit-over-dossier-containing-shocking-and-scandalous-claims

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Just another example of how Trump taking advantage of the fact that our legal system doesn't do nearly enough to discourage these sorts of frivolous lawsuits. His lawyers should face sanctions and ethics investigation for filing this garbage and the defendants should be able to sue for having been forced to defend against these fictional claims.

Anyone who thinks Trump is a "victim" of the legal system is either disingenuous or uninformed as to which side of the abuse he is on. Any lawyer who represents him ends up in jail, bankrupt, disbarred or, if they are lucky, just resenting associating themselves with this buffoon.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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bearister said:

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Just wanted to make sure this got logged in the official thread record:

Judge tosses Donald Trump's Russia probe lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, FBI | PBS NewsHour


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/judge-tosses-donald-trumps-russia-probe-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton-fbi


UK judge dismisses Trump's lawsuit over dossier containing 'shocking and scandalous claims' | PBS NewsHour


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/uk-judge-dismisses-trumps-lawsuit-over-dossier-containing-shocking-and-scandalous-claims

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Just another example of how Trump taking advantage of the fact that our legal system doesn't do nearly enough to discourage these sorts of frivolous lawsuits. His lawyers should face sanctions and ethics investigation for filing this garbage and the defendants should be able to sue for having been forced to defend against these fictional claims.

Anyone who thinks Trump is a "victim" of the legal system is either disingenuous or uninformed as to which side of the abuse he is on. Any lawyer who represents him ends up in jail, bankrupt, disbarred or, if they are lucky, just resenting associating themselves with this buffoon.

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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oski003 said:

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bearister said:

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oski003 said:

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1) We learned that in the final days of the 2016 presidential race, when the Clinton campaign came up with the Steele dossier a collection of sensational and unsupported allegations about Trump and Russia the FBI used the dossier to win approval to wiretap Carter Page, a low-level former Trump campaign adviser. Then we learned that also in 2016, the FBI used a confidential informant, a professor named Stefan Halper, to spy on Page and George Papadopoulos, another low-level Trump adviser.

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Then we learned that in 2016, the FBI sent an undercover agent a woman who used the alias Azra Turk to secretly record conversations with Papadopoulos.

In a court filing Friday, Durham reported that in July 2016, a tech executive named Rodney Joffe (he is unnamed in the court papers, but his name has been widely reported) worked with the Clinton campaign's law firm to "mine internet data," some of it "non-public and/or proprietary" that means secret to search for information that could be used to claim a Trump-Russia connection. Among the secret data that was "exploited," according to Durham, was internet traffic from Trump Tower, from Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building and after Trump was elected the executive office of the president of the United States, or EOP.

Joffe's company, Durham says, "had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement" a government contract to provide tech services. They then "exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP's [internet] traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump."

After that, the Clinton team went to the CIA to try to get the nation's spy agency interested in the anti-Trump effort. That mirrored earlier Clinton approaches to the FBI, when Clinton operatives tried to interest agents in what is known as the "Alfa Bank" story, which was a phony allegation that there were all sorts of suspicious connections between a Russian bank and the Trump campaign.

The bigger goal of all of it, Durham says, was "to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia." So there was a two-track operation going on: While the FBI was doing spying of its own, the Clinton team was spying, too, and trying to get the FBI and CIA involved. It was all part of a larger plan to push the "narrative" of Trump-Russia collusion.

How did it end? You'll remember that a special counsel, Robert Mueller, using all the resources and powers of federal law enforcement, searched for collusion for years and could never establish that it happened, much less that any Trump campaign figures might have been involved.

The new revelation is confirmation for some of the Republicans who uncovered the early clues of the spying operation. "Democrat-paid operatives illegally hacked their political opponents' communications during a presidential campaign and then did it again to a sitting president and the White House staff," said Devin Nunes, who as House Intelligence Committee chairman investigated the spying allegations. He just left Congress and is now CEO of the new Trump social media venture.

2) I am not sure why you are asking this. Some Russian duped someone in Trump's team that they had this info and then apparently didn't. That was the premise of this HUGE smoking gun meeting you are referring to.

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Stop! We all know that Trump was guilty of all this and more. Everybody knows it! It is known. Just like we all know there is a pee tape. The thing is, his fans don't care. So if you want to make the argument that you don't care, because "Screw it!", then fine, but be honest. Democracy and civility and learnedness might be overrated anyway.

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"We all know that Trump was guilty of all this and more."
The "All this" phrase refers to the preceding post, which was completely about things done to Trump. He can't be guilty of things done to him. Which begs the question, exactly what do you believe Trump was guilty of?

"Just like we all know there is a pee tape"
If the tape exists where is it? Who possesses it? Why hasn't it been released yet?

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Big C said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Republicans NEVER lie.




You are an even bigger fu$&ing moron than movielover or 003. Impressive.

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Wow, that's quite a claim!

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Republicans NEVER lie.




You are an even bigger fu$&ing moron than movielover or 003. Impressive.

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Wow, that's quite a claim!

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It is. It is. Top moron is either movielover or Bearforce. 003 plays stupid games and thinks he is clever. But he is not a moron of their level.

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Republicans NEVER lie.




You are an even bigger fu$&ing moron than movielover or 003. Impressive.

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Wow, that's quite a claim!

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It is. It is. Top moron is either movielover or Bearforce. 003 plays stupid games and thinks he is clever. But he is not a moron of their level.

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dajo9 said:

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Good of Matt Taibbi to admit Russiagate was real

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Russiagate so degraded the news business that publishing complete horseshit is industry standard, provided it’s in service of accusing someone of Russia ties. Other examples:

- Bogus Guardian story about Paul Manafort visiting Julian Assange;
- Ex-Intel officials asserting… https://t.co/AfohQX1rIv pic.twitter.com/nsuolsjlLd

— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) May 22, 2024

Wait, Paul Ryan had the Steele Dossier in his possession the entire time he was Speaker?

And still let them lie about Trump’s “Russia Collusion” for years?!

Paul Ryan is no longer just a RINO

He is a traitor and must be prosecuted as such pic.twitter.com/Ul2OYKKRXJ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) June 22, 2024

bearister said:

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Scoop: Mueller team's book to reveal inside story of Trump-Russia investigation


https://www.axios.com/2024/07/11/mueller-trump-russia-prosecutors-book-interference

*Could prove more interesting than Billy Barr Sinister's summary.

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