going4roses said:

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All a big distraction as usual…

But

As Americans struggle to make ends meet. Ridiculous. https://t.co/1RCH9BfhEH

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) February 7, 2023

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As much as I can't stand MTG, I do have to admit that she has an almost Trumpian nose for getting in the news.

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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My only question about the stupid balloon is, instead of shooting it down, why didn't they corral it, inspect and analyze it and see what the Chinese were up to with the stupid thing?

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You've got to be kidding me.
Did you really go to Cal?

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Not kidding. Yes, I graduated from Cal. (Is that the best you got for me? Gosh, I was hoping to get something more customized than your stock insult, lol.)

Seriously, it was flying over wide-open spaces for days. Not too many people in Montana. Instead of shooting it down, why not bring it down softly and see what the Chinese were actually doing with it? It would make for a nice reveal, like when Geraldo opened that vault or whatever. If it had spy stuff on it, that would make the Chinese government look like the liars they probably are.

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You dont think that the Pentagon was "examining" this surveillance vehicle while it was up in the air?
You dont think that the Pentagon was using their C6ISR to the fullest extent of their capability while it was in the air?

Puleeeez.

DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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My only question about the stupid balloon is, instead of shooting it down, why didn't they corral it, inspect and analyze it and see what the Chinese were up to with the stupid thing?

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You've got to be kidding me.
Did you really go to Cal?

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Not kidding. Yes, I graduated from Cal. (Is that the best you got for me? Gosh, I was hoping to get something more customized than your stock insult, lol.)

Seriously, it was flying over wide-open spaces for days. Not too many people in Montana. Instead of shooting it down, why not bring it down softly and see what the Chinese were actually doing with it? It would make for a nice reveal, like when Geraldo opened that vault or whatever. If it had spy stuff on it, that would make the Chinese government look like the liars they probably are.

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You dont think that the Pentagon was "examining" this surveillance vehicle while it was up in the air?
You dont think that the Pentagon was using their C6ISR to the fullest extent of their capability while it was in the air?

Puleeeez.

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I bet they were, but it seems like it would be even better to have the physical evidence for all to see. Make it public, why not? China would take a hit. Ultimate irony: Put the capture and reveal on TikTok!

Big C said:

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I bet they were, but it seems like it would be even better to have the physical evidence for all to see. Make it public, why not? China would take a hit. Ultimate irony: Put the capture and reveal on TikTok!

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We are going to be recovering a tremendous amount of intell from this operation.

The real question is what was the point of this operation given that their satellites are able to obtain even more surveillance information given that they are already flying lower than a balloon.

If you're actually concerned about physically recovering equipment from the balloon, the Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee (Jack Reed, RI) has already stated that the U.S. is "going to recover a great deal of the equipment."

Do you ever get the feeling that somewhere in China there is a giant light switch and that all they have to do is flip the switch and everything in our country that contains their components turns off.

bearister said:

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Do you ever get the feeling that somewhere in China there is a giant light switch and that all they have to do is flip the switch and everything in our country that contains their components turns off.

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No

They're hacking is Top Shelf.

Which makes this balloon episode all the more curious.

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Do you ever get the feeling that somewhere in China there is a giant light switch and that all they have to do is flip the switch and everything in our country that contains their components turns off.

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Hahahaha!!!

DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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My only question about the stupid balloon is, instead of shooting it down, why didn't they corral it, inspect and analyze it and see what the Chinese were up to with the stupid thing?

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You've got to be kidding me.
Did you really go to Cal?

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Not kidding. Yes, I graduated from Cal. (Is that the best you got for me? Gosh, I was hoping to get something more customized than your stock insult, lol.)

Seriously, it was flying over wide-open spaces for days. Not too many people in Montana. Instead of shooting it down, why not bring it down softly and see what the Chinese were actually doing with it? It would make for a nice reveal, like when Geraldo opened that vault or whatever. If it had spy stuff on it, that would make the Chinese government look like the liars they probably are.

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You dont think that the Pentagon was "examining" this surveillance vehicle while it was up in the air?
You dont think that the Pentagon was using their C6ISR to the fullest extent of their capability while it was in the air?

Puleeeez.

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For the uninitiated (like me):

C6ISR adds "combat systems" to the framework, making for quite a lengthy acronym: "command, control, communications, computers, cyber-defense, combat systems (C6), intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR)."

Owned 10,000 shares of L3 Communications (LLL) for a number of years when there was only C3ISR.

The advancement in technology for the warfighter on the "digital" battlefield is mind-bending.

Now L3-Harris
(LHX)

DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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I bet they were, but it seems like it would be even better to have the physical evidence for all to see. Make it public, why not? China would take a hit. Ultimate irony: Put the capture and reveal on TikTok!

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We are going to be recovering a tremendous amount of intell from this operation.

The real question is what was the point of this operation given that their satellites are able to obtain even more surveillance information given that they are already flying lower than a balloon.

If you're actually concerned about physically recovering equipment from the balloon, the Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee (Jack Reed, RI) has already stated that the U.S. is "going to recover a great deal of the equipment."

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Can you tell us more about these satellites that fly lower than a balloon? You seem like an expert.

pic.twitter.com/CwcF1qpwSZ

— Paul (@retrorefurb1) February 10, 2023

Hmmmmm....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/02/11/everything-we-know-about-the-high-altitude-object-shot-down-over-alaska/

indistinguishable from alaskan weather balloons?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3851495-house-briefing-on-china-spy-balloon-turns-tense-with-greene-questions-i-chewed-them-out/

The GOP...

Screaming and yelling profanities at U.S. Intelligence and Administration Officials.

BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

If this had occurred six months ago, you know what the trendy Halloween costume woulda been....

Breaking News from Northern Canada...

Trudeau: Warplane shot down object over northern Canada (yahoo.com)

blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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Nixon is the last GOP president who is unquestionably smarter / less diminished mentally than Biden. Biden is dumb for a democrat president but borderline too smart to be electable by the GOP.

Biden's SOTU is the best one we've seen by a white dude in decades so he's got that going for him too.

Not that it will have an impact on anything since we are more polarized than ever.

Unit2Sucks said:

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BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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Nixon is the last GOP president who is unquestionably smarter / less diminished mentally than Biden. Biden is dumb for a democrat president but borderline too smart to be electable by the GOP.

Biden's SOTU is the best one we've seen by a white dude in decades so he's got that going for him too.

Not that it will have an impact on anything since we are more polarized than ever.

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These debates are pointless with you because (i) anyone who denies/minimizes Biden's diminished capacity is simply unwilling to debate in good faith or acknowledge reality; and (ii) we know from your posting history you start from the premise that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and/or evil.

I did notice that you've now evolved from saying Biden isn't diminished to the "less diminished' formulation.

Even if Biden is senile, at least he has competent people running the show like Ray Gun did when he had Alzheimer's the last 5 years he was at the helm. Ronnie often yelled "Cut!" in the Oval Office because he thought he was filming Bonzo Goes to Washington.

tRump, on the other hand, may have street smarts in criminality (as many children do), but he has the intellect of a very stupid 12 year old boy with regard to everything else, compounded by the fact that when he was POTUS he had the F Troop running the show because anyone with close to average, or slightly below average intelligence, realizes that working for tRump is risky.

BearGoggles said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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Nixon is the last GOP president who is unquestionably smarter / less diminished mentally than Biden. Biden is dumb for a democrat president but borderline too smart to be electable by the GOP.

Biden's SOTU is the best one we've seen by a white dude in decades so he's got that going for him too.

Not that it will have an impact on anything since we are more polarized than ever.

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These debates are pointless with you because (i) anyone who denies/minimizes Biden's diminished capacity is simply unwilling to debate in good faith or acknowledge reality; and (ii) we know from your posting history you start from the premise that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and/or evil.

I did notice that you've now evolved from saying Biden isn't diminished to the "less diminished' formulation.

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Yes it is pointless for you to take your disingenuous bad faith positions in discussions when I'm around because I call it like I see it.

Biden wasn't that bright to begin with and I worry that our country just won't accept intelligence in a President any more because it makes them feel bad and white people don't like having to feel bad. But having the anti-intellectual and anti-education GOP pretend like Biden's middling mental state is somehow noteworthy or deficient in light of the alternatives is risible and bad faith. None of you people raised your hand questioning Trump, Bush II, Bush I or Reagan and you don't get to do so now.

You guys are going to nominate Trump in 2024 and you won't come after him for his boiled onion brain either.

Unit2Sucks said:

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You guys are going to nominate Trump in 2024 and you won't come after him for his boiled onion brain either.

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Last year, BearGoggles called me a Cal Aquatics Recruiting Insider ... all because I lived on the same dorm floor my sophomore year in Ehrman Hall with Pete Cutino, Jr and bumped into him on a transatlantic flight 30 years ago.

Boiled onion brain?

BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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For a (presumably) adult, educated American to write those three words and think that it is just part of the reasonable discourse and then weaselly defend them is a real indication of how low the GOP messaging/right wing talking points have gone and sadly their efficacy. I doubt that you would have ever called any US President a senile cuck ten years ago no matter the party. I also think that you ten years ago would think a person who would say that was irrational, rude, and not to be respected.

The proper response was not, here is the justification for why I wrote that.

And just to pre-empt, if you are able to cull BI to find words you think are disrespectful or insulting of Trump or a person you support, that does not excuse you or create an equivalence. Not to expand this exchange, but for one thing Trump built his campaign on insulting others. It is his brand. His core value proposition is identifying "others" in an us/them tribalism to incite anger, fear, and outrage that he can leverage for votes and money. Of course a person that operates like this will receive pushback and similar treatment in return.

Biden may not be a member of your party, and you may be predisposed to dislike him or hold him to a much higher standard but by any objective standard his administration is doing a better job than his predecessor and nothing in his administration or message is about attacking and insulting and using us/them politics. His critique of GOP politics or working against their "policy" (have they really had policy the last decade?) is not the same as being divisive. Understand the difference. One is intentional, and the other is a byproduct (largely of GOP partisanship, propaganda, and misinformation). He deserves the respect of office and you and your "tribe" need to be better and demand an up-leveling of your own message, civility, and actual policy from within. Be an American first. Clean your own house. Don't stoop to that language.

blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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For a (presumably) adult, educated American to write those three words and think that it is just part of the reasonable discourse and then weaselly defend them is a real indication of how low the GOP messaging/right wing talking points have gone and sadly their efficacy. I doubt that you would have ever called any US President a senile cuck ten years ago no matter the party. I also think that you ten years ago would think a person who would say that was irrational, rude, and not to be respected.

The proper response was not, here is the justification for why I wrote that.

And just to pre-empt, if you are able to cull BI to find words you think are disrespectful or insulting of Trump or a person you support, that does not excuse you or create an equivalence. Not to expand this exchange, but for one thing Trump built his campaign on insulting others. It is his brand. His core value proposition is identifying "others" in an us/them tribalism to incite anger, fear, and outrage that he can leverage for votes and money. Of course a person that operates like this will receive pushback and similar treatment in return.

Biden may not be a member of your party, and you may be predisposed to dislike him or hold him to a much higher standard but by any objective standard his administration is doing a better job than his predecessor and nothing in his administration or message is about attacking and insulting and using us/them politics. His critique of GOP politics or working against their "policy" (have they really had policy the last decade?) is not the same as being divisive. Understand the difference. One is intentional, and the other is a byproduct (largely of GOP partisanship, propaganda, and misinformation). He deserves the respect of office and you and your "tribe" need to be better and demand an up-leveling of your own message, civility, and actual policy from within. Be an American first. Clean your own house. Don't stoop to that language.

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Did Trump deserve your "respect of office" as well?

Are you not also part of a "tribe"?

Glass houses.

(Before I get jumped on, I am not a huge fan of Trump, even though he was a better candidate than Hillary)

blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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For a (presumably) adult, educated American to write those three words and think that it is just part of the reasonable discourse and then weaselly defend them is a real indication of how low the GOP messaging/right wing talking points have gone and sadly their efficacy. I doubt that you would have ever called any US President a senile cuck ten years ago no matter the party. I also think that you ten years ago would think a person who would say that was irrational, rude, and not to be respected.

The proper response was not, here is the justification for why I wrote that.

And just to pre-empt, if you are able to cull BI to find words you think are disrespectful or insulting of Trump or a person you support, that does not excuse you or create an equivalence. Not to expand this exchange, but for one thing Trump built his campaign on insulting others. It is his brand. His core value proposition is identifying "others" in an us/them tribalism to incite anger, fear, and outrage that he can leverage for votes and money. Of course a person that operates like this will receive pushback and similar treatment in return.

Biden may not be a member of your party, and you may be predisposed to dislike him or hold him to a much higher standard but by any objective standard his administration is doing a better job than his predecessor and nothing in his administration or message is about attacking and insulting and using us/them politics. His critique of GOP politics or working against their "policy" (have they really had policy the last decade?) is not the same as being divisive. Understand the difference. One is intentional, and the other is a byproduct (largely of GOP partisanship, propaganda, and misinformation). He deserves the respect of office and you and your "tribe" need to be better and demand an up-leveling of your own message, civility, and actual policy from within. Be an American first. Clean your own house. Don't stoop to that language.

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This is quite humorous and revealing. First of all, I said nothing about Trump. You did. Revealing point no. 1.

Then you proceed to explain why Trump really was deserving of all the personal animus and ad hominem you and others heaped on him, but Biden is not - because you like Biden. Biden deserves respect for the office, but Trump (and Bush, and Reagan, and any republican) do not. You're literally making my point.

It is possible that both: (i) Biden's policies are better than Trumps (your position, not mine); and (ii) Biden is senile, soft on China and weak on foreign policy in general. You accuse me of being tribal, yet you and others here simply refuse to acknowledge any of (ii) despite the fact that Biden can barely function. I'm the tribal one?

And Biden has been incredibly divisive, particularly in regards to race and culture issues. Using the state of the union to falsely claim republicans want to cut social security and Medicare is about as divisive as it gets.

And in terms of rhetoric, maybe you should be less of a hypocrite?

Here you are calling republicans stupid and lacking in morals: https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/109056/replies/2024847

And here you are calling DeSantis a "idiot jerk-pig"
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/107733/replies/1995947

And here you are calling republicans "blind, dishonest and/or brainwashed"
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/107332/replies/1988063

You have a posting history of calling out conservative posters on this board for their rhetoric, memes, and/or posting you find unbecoming in some fashion - as you have done to me here. And you like to call people hypocrites as well, which is funny.

This is an off topic board ON A SPORTS WEBSITE. People will post memes and engage in all manner of rhetoric. My calling Biden a cuck is pretty tame by the standards of this board. Yet you call only me and other conservatives out while excusing yourself and your tribe.

I'll just say you'd have a lot more credibility if: (i) you didn't engage in this same behavior yourself; and (ii) you called out any of the liberals who do engage in this same behavior on this board - which is rampant. But I'm the tribal one. LOL.

Unit2Sucks said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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Nixon is the last GOP president who is unquestionably smarter / less diminished mentally than Biden. Biden is dumb for a democrat president but borderline too smart to be electable by the GOP.

Biden's SOTU is the best one we've seen by a white dude in decades so he's got that going for him too.

Not that it will have an impact on anything since we are more polarized than ever.

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These debates are pointless with you because (i) anyone who denies/minimizes Biden's diminished capacity is simply unwilling to debate in good faith or acknowledge reality; and (ii) we know from your posting history you start from the premise that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and/or evil.

I did notice that you've now evolved from saying Biden isn't diminished to the "less diminished' formulation.

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Yes it is pointless for you to take your disingenuous bad faith positions in discussions when I'm around because I call it like I see it.

Biden wasn't that bright to begin with and I worry that our country just won't accept intelligence in a President any more because it makes them feel bad and white people don't like having to feel bad. But having the anti-intellectual and anti-education GOP pretend like Biden's middling mental state is somehow noteworthy or deficient in light of the alternatives is risible and bad faith. None of you people raised your hand questioning Trump, Bush II, Bush I or Reagan and you don't get to do so now.

You guys are going to nominate Trump in 2024 and you won't come after him for his boiled onion brain either.

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First of all, bringing race into this is totally unnecessary. But that is what you do to obfuscate. And, for the record, non-white people don't like feeing bad either and what you wrote (implying they do) is arguably racist. Just saying.

Plenty of conservatives - myself included - pointed out Trump's narcissism and other personality/moral defects. That was before and after he was nominated/elected. Just false to claim otherwise.

There is literally no evidence Bush I or II had any mental impairments such as senility. You want to conflate impairment with "intelligence" as you would define it (i.e., anyone who disagrees with you is stupid). Those are not the same thing. Kamala Harris is clearly not bright and a terrible politician, but no one is claiming she's cognitively impaired.

And yes, it seems clear Reagan was cognitively impaired during his second term, though that was not really apparent when he was re-elected at the age of 73. And it was a different time where the media was limited to 3 networks (no internet) and most people really didn't know at the time.

Biden was 78 when he took office and already showing signs of impairment. At the end of the day, why would the fact that Reagan was diminished suggest we should accept, ignore or excuse a clearly diminished Biden? How in the world could anyone support his re-election?

I didn't support Trump's prior nominations and certainly won't support him in 2024. There are many reason not to support him. One that is very relevant is that he will be too old (78). No one that old (from either party) should be running for president.

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BearGoggles said:

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BearGoggles said:

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blungld said:

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BearGoggles said:

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"...a senile cuck.."

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You loose any credibility that you might still have had and flag yourself as not a serious person or a person of any real thoughtful depth with these three words. That should embarrass you.

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Biden is unequivocally mentally diminished and has been cucked by: (i) China; and (ii) Doug Emhoff. Yes - that's a bit tongue in cheek, but the overall sentiment is on point.

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Nixon is the last GOP president who is unquestionably smarter / less diminished mentally than Biden. Biden is dumb for a democrat president but borderline too smart to be electable by the GOP.

Biden's SOTU is the best one we've seen by a white dude in decades so he's got that going for him too.

Not that it will have an impact on anything since we are more polarized than ever.

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These debates are pointless with you because (i) anyone who denies/minimizes Biden's diminished capacity is simply unwilling to debate in good faith or acknowledge reality; and (ii) we know from your posting history you start from the premise that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and/or evil.

I did notice that you've now evolved from saying Biden isn't diminished to the "less diminished' formulation.

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Yes it is pointless for you to take your disingenuous bad faith positions in discussions when I'm around because I call it like I see it.

Biden wasn't that bright to begin with and I worry that our country just won't accept intelligence in a President any more because it makes them feel bad and white people don't like having to feel bad. But having the anti-intellectual and anti-education GOP pretend like Biden's middling mental state is somehow noteworthy or deficient in light of the alternatives is risible and bad faith. None of you people raised your hand questioning Trump, Bush II, Bush I or Reagan and you don't get to do so now.

You guys are going to nominate Trump in 2024 and you won't come after him for his boiled onion brain either.

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First of all, bringing race into this is totally unnecessary. But that is what you do to obfuscate. And, for the record, non-white people don't like feeing bad either and what you wrote (implying they do) is arguably racist. Just saying.

Plenty of conservatives - myself included - pointed out Trump's narcissism and other personality/moral defects. That was before and after he was nominated/elected. Just false to claim otherwise.

There is literally no evidence Bush I or II had any mental impairments such as senility. You want to conflate impairment with "intelligence" as you would define it (i.e., anyone who disagrees with you is stupid). Those are not the same thing. Kamala Harris is clearly not bright and a terrible politician, but no one is claiming she's cognitively impaired.

And yes, it seems clear Reagan was cognitively impaired during his second term, though that was not really apparent when he was re-elected at the age of 73. And it was a different time where the media was limited to 3 networks (no internet) and most people really didn't know at the time.

Biden was 78 when he took office and already showing signs of impairment. At the end of the day, why would the fact that Reagan was diminished suggest we should accept, ignore or excuse a clearly diminished Biden? How in the world could anyone support his re-election?

I didn't support Trump's prior nominations and certainly won't support him in 2024. There are many reason not to support him. One that is very relevant is that he will be too old (78). No one that old (from either party) should be running for president.

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Discussing white grievance doesn't imply anything about the way non-white people feel. White grievance is one of the primary drivers of the GOP base and political focus in 2023. Desantis, one of the most prominent GOP politicians nationwide, is basing his entire political brand on opposing "woke" and in practice this means he is focused on preventing white people from feeling any discomfort. This isn't just my off the cuff view, it's explicit in his messaging. "No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race." Is anyone really going to pretend that race is the only thing that the GOP grievance base doesn't want to feel bad about?

Moving on to previous dumb politicians, I never said Bush II was senile but he failed to meet a reasonable threshold for presidential intelligence (which I have also repeatedly said Biden fails to clear, both when he was a candidate and since he became president). I have also made it clear that I fear our country won't accept a smart president, but it's far more pronounced on the anti-intellectual GOP side than on the democrat side. If you are really going to pretend that people thought Bush II was intelligent or that he sounded or appeared intelligence during his campaigns or presidency, it will just further erode what's left of your credibility here.

As for Bush I, I'm probably not as old as you but I recall vividly the perception that he wasn't that bright. Here's an SNL skit making fun of him for that, and, not ironically, making fun of Dukakis for being too smart. Bush I also famously was a gaffe machine, which I've posted about before in case you don't recall his numerous embarrassing gaffes. He even joked "Fluency in English is something that I'm often not accused of."



I suppose you can pretend that Reagan was less dumb before his Alzheimers or whatever set in during his second term, but again he was never that smart. Just like Biden at best.

If I were to make a fair comparison, though, I would say Biden is closest to Bush II. Horrible public speakers, frequently tripping over words and not an intellectual giant even on his best day. Not great for the US brand worldwide in comparison to smart confident orators like Clinton and Obama. Hillary would have been a far better choice if we cared about international perception of our leadership - which we should.

Finally, I think you are unsurprisingly being unfair to Harris. She's a smart person with pretty poor national political instincts. Calling her dumb makes you sound like the dumbazz racists who called Obama dumb. Harris would be smarter than any GOP president since Nixon, but, as everyone but you knows, that is an incredibly low bar.

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This is quite humorous and revealing. First of all, I said nothing about Trump. You did. Revealing point no. 1.

Then you proceed to explain why Trump really was deserving of all the personal animus and ad hominem you and others heaped on him, but Biden is not - because you like Biden. Biden deserves respect for the office, but Trump (and Bush, and Reagan, and any republican) do not. You're literally making my point.

It is possible that both: (i) Biden's policies are better than Trumps (your position, not mine); and (ii) Biden is senile, soft on China and weak on foreign policy in general. You accuse me of being tribal, yet you and others here simply refuse to acknowledge any of (ii) despite the fact that Biden can barely function. I'm the tribal one?

And Biden has been incredibly divisive, particularly in regards to race and culture issues. Using the state of the union to falsely claim republicans want to cut social security and Medicare is about as divisive as it gets.

And in terms of rhetoric, maybe you should be less of a hypocrite?

Here you are calling republicans stupid and lacking in morals: https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/109056/replies/2024847

And here you are calling DeSantis a "idiot jerk-pig"
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/107733/replies/1995947

And here you are calling republicans "blind, dishonest and/or brainwashed"
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/107332/replies/1988063

You have a posting history of calling out conservative posters on this board for their rhetoric, memes, and/or posting you find unbecoming in some fashion - as you have done to me here. And you like to call people hypocrites as well, which is funny.

This is an off topic board ON A SPORTS WEBSITE. People will post memes and engage in all manner of rhetoric. My calling Biden a cuck is pretty tame by the standards of this board. Yet you call only me and other conservatives out while excusing yourself and your tribe.

I'll just say you'd have a lot more credibility if: (i) you didn't engage in this same behavior yourself; and (ii) you called out any of the liberals who do engage in this same behavior on this board - which is rampant. But I'm the tribal one. LOL.

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...and right on cue you go scouring to find false equivalence.

You have a litany false claims there:

1) I explained WHY Trump gets more attacked and name called. Because that is his brand and what he does to others. That is an observation and it is accurate.

2) I did not say that Rep presidents do not deserve respect. You completely manufactured that.

3) Biden is not divisive on race and culture. That's not how it works. When those with hegemony are threatened by discussion of equality, it is not the minority who is being divisive. It is those in power threatened by losing power who FEEL that they are being attacked. ACTUALLY being attacked is what Trump and the GOP and white supremacists do. A Christian is not, for example, under attack when something is made secular or all religions are treated the same. But the Christian sees this as being attacked and something being stolen.

4) First link I didn't call all Republicans stupid and lacking morals. I was specifically describing people who stand with amoral behavior ( a specific subset of Republicans that celebrated the worst in Trump) that way.

5) Second link. Yes, I did call De Santis an idiot jerk pig which isn't really a thing and is sorta a goofy insult. Not mean spirited or a talking point of the tribe the way senile cuck is. And, last time I checked De Santis isn't president. So there is that...

6) Third link. Wrong again. The sentence is "A person needs to be completely blind, dishonest, and/or brainwashed to not see the long con." That is not calling Republicans blind, dishonest, and brainwashed. That is me describing ONE person and that person is a person who believes the long con that I describe. Again, my analysis/observation on a tribal cognitive dissonant behavior not an insult or accusation of all GOP.


So, of the 6 or so claims, one is sort of correct but not really. How about instead of venting or or reaching for the whataboutism to justify your ugliness, just be a big boy yourself.

Now that we have shot down four object in about a week, should I get some guns and set up Operation Red Dawn 2 in the mountains?

They are advance recon vehicles sent prior to the invasion of earth.

oski003 said:

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Now that we have shot down four object in about a week, should I get some guns and set up Operation Red Dawn 2 in the mountains?

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Go for it. It'll keep you occupied and you'll be doing less harm than you are currently.

Object #4 was detected via radar over Montana yesterday and was seen again on radar over Wisco and Michigan today.

Unmanned and traveling at 20,000 feet.

Cant believe "Sleepy Joe" took so long to shoot it down.

Hunter was piloting it, nude and huffing paint.