A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
AunBear89 said:
003 defending the white vigilante in 3. . . 2. . .
Look at how mainstream media is covering a white man murdering a homeless mentally ill Black man who was on the subway screaming about being without food and water. Never doubt that the media is the third arm of this police state dehumanizing Black and other marginalized ppl pic.twitter.com/LhcQ6BVcRp
— Olayemi Olurin (@msolurin) May 3, 2023
Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
I already spend a lot of time at missions and kitchens to feed those who are homeless due to poverty. They are the ones who can be helped. But unless the government grows a pair and forces people who are mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not, nothing will change. I don't know if you work with the transitional homeless, but when I work with them, they are the ones, especially those with families, who are often most victimized by the mentally ill and drug addicts. The government still will not do anything to protect the most vulnerable. I am not at risk. I live in a wealthy neighborhood like you, and, even when I volunteer to help the homeless and the underprivileged kids, it's usually in a group. The ones who live in these inner cities and the transitional homeless as well as small businesses are the ones who are victimized by these failed policies that reflect false compassions.dajo9 said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
If you are looking for a group to support that works for what you are espousing, the Treatment Advocacy Center is the group.
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
calbear93 said:I already spend a lot of time at missions and kitchens to feed those who are homeless due to poverty. They are the ones who can be helped. But unless the government grows a pair and forces people who are mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not, nothing will change. I don't know if you work with the transitional homeless, but when I work with them, they are the ones, especially those with families, who are often most victimized by the mentally ill and drug addicts. The government still will not do anything to protect the most vulnerable. I am not at risk. I live in a wealthy neighborhood like you, and, even when I volunteer to help the homeless and the underprivileged kids, it's usually in a group. The ones who live in these inner cities and the transitional homeless as well as small businesses are the ones who are victimized by these failed policies that reflect false compassions.dajo9 said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
If you are looking for a group to support that works for what you are espousing, the Treatment Advocacy Center is the group.
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
Thank Reagan for closing the mental hospitals. The guy has an airport named after him. There's probably a lot of homeless camping nearby. The revisionist history on Reagan is off the charts. The man did everything for the rich and the military and did practically nothing for anybody else. Yet he is thought of as one of the greatest presidents. He was lucky enough to be in office when Gorbachev was leading Russia. It was Gorbachev that was responsible for ending the cold war.calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
posted my piece before reading yours. I starred it.Unit2Sucks said:
Mental health facilities don't pay for themselves. The GOP long ago began defunding them and soon after
began complaining about the results of their efforts. California under Reagan is a great example. I've posted about this before but am on mobile now without the time to be more informative.
Long story short, mental health help would be great and there is one party in AMERICA who will do everything they can to prevent the government from offering it while constantly claiming that it's an answer to problems they don't want to address - see mass shootings.
Oh and yes, this is an awful story and yet another example of white depravity as G4R likes to point out.
dajo9 said:calbear93 said:I already spend a lot of time at missions and kitchens to feed those who are homeless due to poverty. They are the ones who can be helped. But unless the government grows a pair and forces people who are mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not, nothing will change. I don't know if you work with the transitional homeless, but when I work with them, they are the ones, especially those with families, who are often most victimized by the mentally ill and drug addicts. The government still will not do anything to protect the most vulnerable. I am not at risk. I live in a wealthy neighborhood like you, and, even when I volunteer to help the homeless and the underprivileged kids, it's usually in a group. The ones who live in these inner cities and the transitional homeless as well as small businesses are the ones who are victimized by these failed policies that reflect false compassions.dajo9 said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
If you are looking for a group to support that works for what you are espousing, the Treatment Advocacy Center is the group.
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
Tell me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center without telling me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center
Unit2Sucks said:
Mental health facilities don't pay for themselves. The GOP long ago began defunding them and soon after
began complaining about the results of their efforts. California under Reagan is a great example. I've posted about this before but am on mobile now without the time to be more informative.
Long story short, mental health help would be great and there is one party in AMERICA who will do everything they can to prevent the government from offering it while constantly claiming that it's an answer to problems they don't want to address - see mass shootings.
Oh and yes, this is an awful story and yet another example of white depravity as G4R likes to point out.
calbear93 said:dajo9 said:calbear93 said:I already spend a lot of time at missions and kitchens to feed those who are homeless due to poverty. They are the ones who can be helped. But unless the government grows a pair and forces people who are mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not, nothing will change. I don't know if you work with the transitional homeless, but when I work with them, they are the ones, especially those with families, who are often most victimized by the mentally ill and drug addicts. The government still will not do anything to protect the most vulnerable. I am not at risk. I live in a wealthy neighborhood like you, and, even when I volunteer to help the homeless and the underprivileged kids, it's usually in a group. The ones who live in these inner cities and the transitional homeless as well as small businesses are the ones who are victimized by these failed policies that reflect false compassions.dajo9 said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
If you are looking for a group to support that works for what you are espousing, the Treatment Advocacy Center is the group.
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
Tell me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center without telling me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center
Did you look at it? How does that help with government forcing mentally ill folks into institutions?
calbear93 said:dajo9 said:calbear93 said:I already spend a lot of time at missions and kitchens to feed those who are homeless due to poverty. They are the ones who can be helped. But unless the government grows a pair and forces people who are mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not, nothing will change. I don't know if you work with the transitional homeless, but when I work with them, they are the ones, especially those with families, who are often most victimized by the mentally ill and drug addicts. The government still will not do anything to protect the most vulnerable. I am not at risk. I live in a wealthy neighborhood like you, and, even when I volunteer to help the homeless and the underprivileged kids, it's usually in a group. The ones who live in these inner cities and the transitional homeless as well as small businesses are the ones who are victimized by these failed policies that reflect false compassions.dajo9 said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
If you are looking for a group to support that works for what you are espousing, the Treatment Advocacy Center is the group.
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
Tell me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center without telling me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center
And do you actually work with this organization?
You call it tribalism, I call it being honest about what it will take to change things. Of course our society's failure to help its most vulnerable across a number of different axes is a failure of our institutions.calbear93 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Mental health facilities don't pay for themselves. The GOP long ago began defunding them and soon after
began complaining about the results of their efforts. California under Reagan is a great example. I've posted about this before but am on mobile now without the time to be more informative.
Long story short, mental health help would be great and there is one party in AMERICA who will do everything they can to prevent the government from offering it while constantly claiming that it's an answer to problems they don't want to address - see mass shootings.
Oh and yes, this is an awful story and yet another example of white depravity as G4R likes to point out.
This is why tribalism is boring. It becomes a ***** measuring contest on which tribe is worse. I don't care. I don't like either one. That is why I stated we need to raise taxes and pay for these. That is why I said I don't care which party was responsible. Neither party has a full solution. OK, so we blame the left or the right. What the hell does that do to actually make a difference in people's lives or change a viewpoint?
And why does anyone support a view that this is white depravity? When a black person kills a white person, is it black depravity? Of course not. Was this proven to be race driven? Of course not.
I don't need to advocate any tribe. I can support gun control and responsible government spending. I am not an advocate for any one tribe.
You are a smart guy. Doesn't the left vs right pissing contest bore you after how many years of the same **** here? I wouldn't even be curious as to why you are not bored if I didn't believe you were very intelligent. I get why the less curious or gifted folks resort to name calling and tribalism but you think above those first layers. Without talking about political parties, is it not a failed policy not to build more facilities and force the mentally ill, chronic homeless off the streets and into the facilities?
You can’t just “grab” someone and they stop. Not how it works. You grab a criminal, he is going to spaz out. Do you body slam him in a crowded subway? Better hope he doesn’t hit his head. Boom now it’s manslaughter. Enjoy your 91% left wing jury. 👍
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 26, 2022
calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
going4roses said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/108646/replies/2013824#2013824
From my standpoint people working 40+ hours a week should not be living in cars / on the street. The impending thoughts of being homeless ( living a check or a car issue or medical issue) will bring on mental illness.
The mental illness thing is an excuse for the economic shortfalls of this society
Unit2Sucks said:You call it tribalism, I call it being honest about what it will take to change things. Of course our society's failure to help its most vulnerable across a number of different axes is a failure of our institutions.calbear93 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Mental health facilities don't pay for themselves. The GOP long ago began defunding them and soon after
began complaining about the results of their efforts. California under Reagan is a great example. I've posted about this before but am on mobile now without the time to be more informative.
Long story short, mental health help would be great and there is one party in AMERICA who will do everything they can to prevent the government from offering it while constantly claiming that it's an answer to problems they don't want to address - see mass shootings.
Oh and yes, this is an awful story and yet another example of white depravity as G4R likes to point out.
This is why tribalism is boring. It becomes a ***** measuring contest on which tribe is worse. I don't care. I don't like either one. That is why I stated we need to raise taxes and pay for these. That is why I said I don't care which party was responsible. Neither party has a full solution. OK, so we blame the left or the right. What the hell does that do to actually make a difference in people's lives or change a viewpoint?
And why does anyone support a view that this is white depravity? When a black person kills a white person, is it black depravity? Of course not. Was this proven to be race driven? Of course not.
I don't need to advocate any tribe. I can support gun control and responsible government spending. I am not an advocate for any one tribe.
You are a smart guy. Doesn't the left vs right pissing contest bore you after how many years of the same **** here? I wouldn't even be curious as to why you are not bored if I didn't believe you were very intelligent. I get why the less curious or gifted folks resort to name calling and tribalism but you think above those first layers. Without talking about political parties, is it not a failed policy not to build more facilities and force the mentally ill, chronic homeless off the streets and into the facilities?
Mental health is a great example as is our indifference to children in poverty. We finally took some strides on the latter during COVID but, for reasons that we are all aware of, the program was discontinued.
As for why I still post here, it's part sport and part that I find some conversation's interesting. I don't post as much as I used to and I've blocked a number of bad actors. The great thing about forums like this is you get to choose who you interact with.
dajo9 said:calbear93 said:dajo9 said:calbear93 said:I already spend a lot of time at missions and kitchens to feed those who are homeless due to poverty. They are the ones who can be helped. But unless the government grows a pair and forces people who are mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not, nothing will change. I don't know if you work with the transitional homeless, but when I work with them, they are the ones, especially those with families, who are often most victimized by the mentally ill and drug addicts. The government still will not do anything to protect the most vulnerable. I am not at risk. I live in a wealthy neighborhood like you, and, even when I volunteer to help the homeless and the underprivileged kids, it's usually in a group. The ones who live in these inner cities and the transitional homeless as well as small businesses are the ones who are victimized by these failed policies that reflect false compassions.dajo9 said:calbear93 said:Putting aside the tragedy - how is it humane to allow mentally ill homeless people on the loose? It seems cruel to both the mentally ill person who cannot take care of himself and the rest of the public. This was completely unnecessary. Instead of spending a million dollar per tiny house, build more humane mental care facility and stop with the nonsense of the rights of the homeless to choose where to live (like Portland and San Francisco) or to protect the right to engage in destructive drug addition (with exploiters now using animal tranquilizers that rot the flesh).going4roses said:A homeless man died on the New York City subway on Wednesday after a wannabe vigilante allegedly put him in a chokehold for 15 minutes, according to a witness and disturbing videos. https://t.co/VTtga04LVH
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 3, 2023
I would love to raise incomes taxes on everyone not only to reduce the deficit spending but also to pay for rational solutions like building more humane facilities and rehabilitation centers. And force the addicts and mentally ill into these facilities whether they want to go or not. I don't want to get into which party was to blame, etc. Both parties are engaging in failed policies and illogical and nonsensical solutions that hit the right political value proposition but end up with worse results every year and show no regard for the underprivileged like the homeless guy who was victimized here or the U.S. Marine who probably felt compelled from having seen too many innocent folks living in fear because the government won't do anything to help the mentally ill homeless folks or the regular laborers who are often victimized by these mentally ill homeless people who are seeing things that are not real.
If you are looking for a group to support that works for what you are espousing, the Treatment Advocacy Center is the group.
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
Tell me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center without telling me you didn't look at the Treatment Advocacy Center
And do you actually work with this organization?
I have gone to the Treatment Advocacy Center for information to help with my family. I have made donations to them. They are on the right track with how mental illness should be treated.
I stopped donating to the ACLU years ago solely because of their advocacy of letting people rot, untreated on the streets. That is not a civil liberty. That is an illness. When it's a family member rotting untreated on the streets, you see it for what it is.
I'm not sure which is the biggest problem, homelessness, mental illness, white nationalism or lack of political leadership but surely the nexus is in a downward spiral.going4roses said:
This part !!!! They boy closed down the facilities that were inhumane but those people were forced on to the streets to and many procreated … now we are dealing their offspring's descendants.
BearHunter said:You can’t just “grab” someone and they stop. Not how it works. You grab a criminal, he is going to spaz out. Do you body slam him in a crowded subway? Better hope he doesn’t hit his head. Boom now it’s manslaughter. Enjoy your 91% left wing jury. 👍
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 26, 2022
What does this have to do with Ronald Reagan?
That statement was kind of a spin. I think you know who was president didn't really impact local crime rate.dajo9 said:BearHunter said:You can’t just “grab” someone and they stop. Not how it works. You grab a criminal, he is going to spaz out. Do you body slam him in a crowded subway? Better hope he doesn’t hit his head. Boom now it’s manslaughter. Enjoy your 91% left wing jury. 👍
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 26, 2022
What does this have to do with Ronald Reagan?
Crime was much higher when Ronald Reagan was President
Yes, it is partially spin but also a simple factual statement. I disagree with you about the causes of levels of crime. Crime statistics tend to follow national patterns which I think belies the local policies argument. People on the right love to point out that crime went down in New York when Giuliani was mayor. Of course, crime went down everywhere across the country at the same time.calbear93 said:That statement was kind of a spin. I think you know who was president didn't really impact local crime rate.dajo9 said:BearHunter said:You can’t just “grab” someone and they stop. Not how it works. You grab a criminal, he is going to spaz out. Do you body slam him in a crowded subway? Better hope he doesn’t hit his head. Boom now it’s manslaughter. Enjoy your 91% left wing jury. 👍
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) May 26, 2022
What does this have to do with Ronald Reagan?
Crime was much higher when Ronald Reagan was President
Most of the crime in the early '80s were drug related. The crime rate decreased during the tail end of his presidency, which had very little to do with him. His tough on crime, carried on further by Bush and Clinton, benefitted from two things.
Drugs got cheaper, especially with cocaine and heroine, leading to less small crimes by addicts. There were less territorial gang violence, including as a result of much tougher sentences for gang members and distributors in inner cities.
What you will find is strong correlation between price of drugs and rate of violence. In the early 90s when heroine price went up again, there were more assaults and property crimes.
Most crimes are not based on who is president.
Crime rates are based on, I believe, two things: (1) cost of drugs, leading to more criminal activities by addicts to pay for the drugs and (2) permissive attitude on criminal activity by local government, with harsher penalties leading to less violence and easier bail (or no bail) leading to higher rate of criminal violence. Yes, there are federal crimes, but local criminal laws have greater impact.
Who the president is matters very little. Market forces and local criminal policies have a lot more impact.
Eleven people were murdered on the NYC subway last year. You do not know any of their names. Over 400 people were murdered citywide. You do not know any of their names. @AOC did not pretend to care about them. There were no protests of any kind. That's all you need to know.
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) May 4, 2023
More facts that have to be suppressed in Operation Bum Floyd, video:
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[Jordan Neely]..."started threatening riders and saying 'I'm ready to go back to jail' and 'I'll hurt anyone.'"
Threaten people and have 40 prior arrests, people will defend themselves from hostile behavior. pic.twitter.com/NDwwrRku8K
Sorry, this is the best I could find.dajo9 said:Yes, it is partially spin but also a simple factual statement. I disagree with you about the causes of levels of crime. Crime statistics tend to follow national patterns which I think belies the local policies argument. People on the right love to point out that crime went down in New York when Giuliani was mayor. Of course, crime went down everywhere across the country at the same time.calbear93 said:That statement was kind of a spin. I think you know who was president didn't really impact local crime rate.dajo9 said:BearHunter said:You can’t just “grab” someone and they stop. Not how it works. You grab a criminal, he is going to spaz out. Do you body slam him in a crowded subway? Better hope he doesn’t hit his head. Boom now it’s manslaughter. Enjoy your 91% left wing jury. 👍
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What does this have to do with Ronald Reagan?
Crime was much higher when Ronald Reagan was President
Most of the crime in the early '80s were drug related. The crime rate decreased during the tail end of his presidency, which had very little to do with him. His tough on crime, carried on further by Bush and Clinton, benefitted from two things.
Drugs got cheaper, especially with cocaine and heroine, leading to less small crimes by addicts. There were less territorial gang violence, including as a result of much tougher sentences for gang members and distributors in inner cities.
What you will find is strong correlation between price of drugs and rate of violence. In the early 90s when heroine price went up again, there were more assaults and property crimes.
Most crimes are not based on who is president.
Crime rates are based on, I believe, two things: (1) cost of drugs, leading to more criminal activities by addicts to pay for the drugs and (2) permissive attitude on criminal activity by local government, with harsher penalties leading to less violence and easier bail (or no bail) leading to higher rate of criminal violence. Yes, there are federal crimes, but local criminal laws have greater impact.
Who the president is matters very little. Market forces and local criminal policies have a lot more impact.
Maybe you are onto something about drug prices but I am skeptical. If you have historical data on drug prices please share so I can reconsider my thoughts on the matter.
I believe the main driver of crime is simple cultural elements. How we treat and raise our youth. The era of "latch-key kids" and nobody being at home led to, surprise, surprise. . . high crime. The current era of suffocating our youth with indulgence and organized activities (guilty as charged) is likely to lead to less crime but will probably lead to social ills down the road. For example, these kids will probably have mid-life crises during which they'll catch up on the fun they missed and in the process, neglect their kids somewhat. In short, I think these kinds of things tend to be cyclical in nature. The politics reflect the culture. The Reagan era of cutting programs that benefit youth and education funding is a symptom, not the disease.
If you start with race plays role in everything, what do you see when you see a black young man victimizing an old Asian woman? I just see a broken world with too much hate and people of all colors being sometimes good and often times evil. Just like I see with the evil effected by both parties in the tragedy here.going4roses said:
If you start with race plays role in EVERYTHING you possess the bandwidth to see this tragedy for what it is murder.
A white person took the opportunity to murder a Black man
going4roses said:
If you start with race plays role in EVERYTHING you possess the bandwidth to see this tragedy for what it is murder.
A white person took the opportunity to murder a Black man