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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 7:19p, 6/3/23
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The steele dossier was paid oppo research by the clintons that got pushed to the media as credible that led to the FBI starting investigations (since the people at the FBI leading the investigations were all part of the clinton apparatus). This was essentially an attempt at a coup on the president of the United States, that was partially successful as it froze Trumps ability to get much of anything accomplished while he was in office. Many posters on this board will never accept this as fact, because they got the outcome they wanted so the whole mission now is to deflect and obfuscate. You can have 1000 factual pieces of evidence and it won't matter to them.


Much of the Steele Dossier was true. Nevertheless, Mueller didn't rely on it and the Republican Senate investigation didn't rely on it. The only people who rely on it are Trumpers because only some of the Steele Dossier was correct but not all of it.
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In reply to oski003 • 7:21p, 6/3/23
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After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.


He said she lied. What lie did she tell?


She misled the public. I don't think she outright lied.


How so? By discussing what was in the news?


She reported the Dossier news with a pro-Clinton spin, using phrases like, the FBI is investigating this and they'd report if it was false, but have not done so. She would not report information that would question the Dossier's authenticity, and generally continues to avoid reporting any news contradicting the pro-Clinton spin.


Please provide specifics for your allegations that you want so dearly to be true.


Watch this video. She spends 7.5 minutes about how one minor piece of information in the dossier is true and then spends fifteen minutes talking about how some stuff has been corroborated and the scary significance of Russia attacking our elections with the knowledge and support of Trump.



So what isn't true?
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In reply to dajo9 • 7:35p, 6/3/23
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oski003 said:
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oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
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dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.


He said she lied. What lie did she tell?


She misled the public. I don't think she outright lied.


How so? By discussing what was in the news?


She reported the Dossier news with a pro-Clinton spin, using phrases like, the FBI is investigating this and they'd report if it was false, but have not done so. She would not report information that would question the Dossier's authenticity, and generally continues to avoid reporting any news contradicting the pro-Clinton spin.


Please provide specifics for your allegations that you want so dearly to be true.


Watch this video. She spends 7.5 minutes about how one minor piece of information in the dossier is true and then spends fifteen minutes talking about how some stuff has been corroborated and the scary significance of Russia attacking our elections with the knowledge and support of Trump.



So what isn't true?


The part of the dossier that Maddow spends 18 minutes speculating about, along with the clips posted after mine.
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In reply to Goldener Bar • 7:40p, 6/3/23
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dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.
He said she lied. What lie did she tell?




























Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
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In reply to oski003 • 7:41p, 6/3/23
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.


He said she lied. What lie did she tell?


She misled the public. I don't think she outright lied.


How so? By discussing what was in the news?


She reported the Dossier news with a pro-Clinton spin, using phrases like, the FBI is investigating this and they'd report if it was false, but have not done so. She would not report information that would question the Dossier's authenticity, and generally continues to avoid reporting any news contradicting the pro-Clinton spin.


Please provide specifics for your allegations that you want so dearly to be true.


Watch this video. She spends 7.5 minutes about how one minor piece of information in the dossier is true and then spends fifteen minutes talking about how some stuff has been corroborated and the scary significance of Russia attacking our elections with the knowledge and support of Trump.



So what isn't true?


The part of the dossier that Maddow spends 18 minutes speculating about, along with the clips posted after mine.


Sorry, I'm not doing your homework for you.
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In reply to dajo9 • 7:58p, 6/3/23
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.


He said she lied. What lie did she tell?


She misled the public. I don't think she outright lied.


How so? By discussing what was in the news?


She reported the Dossier news with a pro-Clinton spin, using phrases like, the FBI is investigating this and they'd report if it was false, but have not done so. She would not report information that would question the Dossier's authenticity, and generally continues to avoid reporting any news contradicting the pro-Clinton spin.


Please provide specifics for your allegations that you want so dearly to be true.


Watch this video. She spends 7.5 minutes about how one minor piece of information in the dossier is true and then spends fifteen minutes talking about how some stuff has been corroborated and the scary significance of Russia attacking our elections with the knowledge and support of Trump.



So what isn't true?


The part of the dossier that Maddow spends 18 minutes speculating about, along with the clips posted after mine.


Sorry, I'm not doing your homework for you.


You aren't doing any homework at all, including actually reading what I wrote. I gave you enough to support her being misleading by pumping a narrative.
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In reply to oski003 • 8:04p, 6/3/23
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.


He said she lied. What lie did she tell?


She misled the public. I don't think she outright lied.


How so? By discussing what was in the news?


She reported the Dossier news with a pro-Clinton spin, using phrases like, the FBI is investigating this and they'd report if it was false, but have not done so. She would not report information that would question the Dossier's authenticity, and generally continues to avoid reporting any news contradicting the pro-Clinton spin.


Please provide specifics for your allegations that you want so dearly to be true.


Watch this video. She spends 7.5 minutes about how one minor piece of information in the dossier is true and then spends fifteen minutes talking about how some stuff has been corroborated and the scary significance of Russia attacking our elections with the knowledge and support of Trump.



So what isn't true?


The part of the dossier that Maddow spends 18 minutes speculating about, along with the clips posted after mine.


Sorry, I'm not doing your homework for you.


You aren't doing any homework at all, including actually reading what I wrote. I gave you enough to support her being misleading by pumping a narrative.


No, you just keep repeating things that in your world you all "know" to be true. But you haven't offered anything of substance.
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:51p, 6/3/23
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.


He said she lied. What lie did she tell?


She misled the public. I don't think she outright lied.


How so? By discussing what was in the news?


She reported the Dossier news with a pro-Clinton spin, using phrases like, the FBI is investigating this and they'd report if it was false, but have not done so. She would not report information that would question the Dossier's authenticity, and generally continues to avoid reporting any news contradicting the pro-Clinton spin.


Please provide specifics for your allegations that you want so dearly to be true.


Watch this video. She spends 7.5 minutes about how one minor piece of information in the dossier is true and then spends fifteen minutes talking about how some stuff has been corroborated and the scary significance of Russia attacking our elections with the knowledge and support of Trump.



So what isn't true?


The part of the dossier that Maddow spends 18 minutes speculating about, along with the clips posted after mine.


Sorry, I'm not doing your homework for you.


You aren't doing any homework at all, including actually reading what I wrote. I gave you enough to support her being misleading by pumping a narrative.


No, you just keep repeating things that in your world you all "know" to be true. But you haven't offered anything of substance.


Like what?
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:41p, 6/3/23
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MinotStateBeav said:
The steele dossier was paid oppo research by the clintons that got pushed to the media as credible that led to the FBI starting investigations (since the people at the FBI leading the investigations were all part of the clinton apparatus). This was essentially an attempt at a coup on the president of the United States, that was partially successful as it froze Trumps ability to get much of anything accomplished while he was in office. Many posters on this board will never accept this as fact, because they got the outcome they wanted so the whole mission now is to deflect and obfuscate. You can have 1000 factual pieces of evidence and it won't matter to them.
Much of the Steele Dossier was true.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/horowitz-report-steele-dossier-collusion-news-media-924944/

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Democrats are not going to want to hear this, since conventional wisdom says former House Intelligence chief Devin Nunes is a conspiratorial evildoer, but the Horowitz report ratifies the major claims of the infamous "Nunes memo."

As noted, Horowitz establishes that the Steele report was crucial to the FISA process, even using the same language Nunes used ("essential"). He also confirms the Nunes assertion that the FBI double-dipped in citing both Steele and a September 23, 2016 Yahoo! news story using Steele as an unnamed source. Horowitz listed the idea that Steele did not directly provide information to the press as one of seven significant "inaccuracies or omissions" in the first FISA application.

Horowitz also verifies the claim that Steele was "closed for cause" for talking to the media, i.e. officially cut off as a confidential human source to the FBI. He shows that Steele continued to talk to Justice Official Bruce Ohr before and after Steele's formal relationship with the FBI ended. His report confirms that the Steele information had not been corroborated when the FISA application was submitted, another key Nunes point.

There was gnashing of teeth when Nunes first released his memo in January, 2018. The press universally crapped on his letter, with a Washington Post piece calling it a "joke" and a "sham." House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slammed Nunes for the release of a "bogus" document, while New York Senator Chuck Schumer said the memo was intended to "sow conspiracy theories and attack the integrity of federal law enforcement." Many called for his removal as Committee chair.

The Horowitz report says all of that caterwauling was off-base. It also undercuts many of the assertions made in a ballyhooed response letter by Nunes counterpart Adam Schiff, who described the FBI's "reasonable basis" for deeming Steele credible. The report is especially hostile to Schiff's claim that the FBI "provided additional information obtained through multiple independent sources that corroborated Steele's reporting."

In fact, far from confirming the Steele material, the FBI over time seems mainly to have uncovered more and more reasons to run screaming from Steele, to wit:

The "Steele dossier" was "Internet rumor," and corroboration for the pee tape story was "zero."

The Steele report reads like a pile of rumors surrounded by public information pulled off the Internet, and the Horowitz report does nothing to dispel this notion.

At the time the FBI submitted its first FISA application, Horowitz writes, it had "corroborated limited information in Steele's election reporting, and most of that was publicly available information." Horowitz says of Steele's reports: "The CIA viewed it as 'internet rumor.'"

Worse (and this part of the story should be tattooed on the heads of Russia truthers), the FBI's interviews of Steele's sources revealed Steele embellished the most explosive parts of his report.

The "pee tape" story, which inspired countless grave headlines (see this chin-scratching New York Times history of Russian "sexual blackmail") and plunged the Trump presidency into crisis before it began, was, this source said, based a "conversation that [he/she] had over beers," with the sexual allegations made… in "jest"!

Steele in his report said the story had been "confirmed" by senior, Western hotel staff, but the actual source said it was all "rumor and speculation," never confirmed. In fact, charged by Steele to find corroboration, the source could not: corroboration was "zero," writes Horowitz.

Meanwhile the Steele assertions that Russians had a kompromat file on Hillary Clinton, and that there was a "well-developed conspiracy of coordination" between the Trump campaign and Russians, relied on a source Steele himself disparaged as an "egoist" and "boaster" who "may engage in some embellishment." This was known to the FBI at the start, yet they naturally failed to include this info in the warrant application, one of what Horowitz described as "17 significant errors or omissions" in the FISA application.

Finally, when the FBI conducted an investigation into Steele's "work-related performance," they heard from some that he was "smart," and a "person of integrity," and "if he reported it, he believed it."

So far, so good. But Horowitz also wrote:

Their notes stated: "[d]emonstrates lack of self-awareness, poor judgment;" "[k]een to help" but "underpinned by poor judgment;" "Judgment: pursuing people with political risk but no intel value;" "[d]idn't always exercise great judgment- sometimes [he] believes he knows best;" and "[r]eporting in good faith, but not clear what he would have done to validate."

The Crossfire Hurricane team got all of this, but, again, didn't pass it upstairs or include any of it in its warrant application.

I've written about how reporters used sleight of hand to get the Steele dossier into print without putting it through a vetting process. What Horowitz describes is worse: a story about bad journalism piled on bad journalism, balanced on a third layer of wrong reporting.

Steele in his "reports" embellished his sources' quotes, played up nonexistent angles, invented attributions, and ignored inconsistencies. The FBI then transplanted this bad reporting in the form of a warrant application and an addendum to the Intelligence Assessment that included the Steele material, ignoring a new layer of inconsistencies and red flags its analysts uncovered in the review process.

Then, following a series of leaks, the news media essentially reported on the FBI's wrong reporting of Steele's wrong reporting.

The impact was greater than just securing a warrant to monitor Page. More significant were the years of headlines that grew out of this process, beginning with the leaking of the meeting with Trump about Steele's blackmail allegations, the insertion of Steele's conclusions in the Intelligence Assessment about Russian interference, and the leak of news about the approval of the Page FISA warrant.

As a result, a "well-developed conspiracy" theory based on a report that Comey described as "salacious and unverified material that a responsible journalist wouldn't report without corroborating," became the driving news story in a superpower nation for two years. Even the New York Times, which published a lot of these stories, is in the wake of the Horowitz report noting Steele's role in "unleashing a flood of speculation in the news media about the new president's relationship with Russia."

No matter what people think the political meaning of the Horowitz report might be, reporters who read it will know: Anybody who touched this nonsense in print should be embarrassed.
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:48p, 6/3/23
dajo9 said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.
He said she lied. What lie did she tell?
























Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.
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In reply to Goldener Bar • 4:35a, 6/4/23
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.
He said she lied. What lie did she tell?
























Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.
You provided a list from known bs factory, Grayzone guy Aaron Mate and he was true to form:
#1 was an intro
#2 was as innocuous as me saying I did something even though I got my staff involved
#3 was Mate lying about Maddow talking about the pee tape
#4 was Mate lying again about Maddow talking about the pee tape

I did stop there. It was a waste of my time.
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In reply to dajo9 • 10:21a, 6/4/23
dajo9 said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:


After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.
He said she lied. What lie did she tell?
























Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.
You provided a list from known bs factory, Grayzone guy Aaron Mate and he was true to form:
#1 was an intro
#2 was as innocuous as me saying I did something even though I got my staff involved
#3 was Mate lying about Maddow talking about the pee tape
#4 was Mate lying again about Maddow talking about the pee tape

I did stop there. It was a waste of my time.
Aaron Mate has been an Assad denialist/apologist for years. No one should pay attention to him.
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In reply to Goldener Bar • 12:55p, 6/4/23
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:

Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.

dajo's follow up line is, "why do you care?".
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In reply to BearHunter • 2:13p, 6/4/23
BearHunter said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:

Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.

dajo's follow up line is, "why do you care?".


My follow up line can be read right here
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114818/replies/2177199
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In reply to dajo9 • 2:34p, 6/4/23
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:

Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.

dajo's follow up line is, "why do you care?".


My follow up line can be read right here
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114818/replies/2177199


I watched those same clips. She is definitely misleading. In clip 3 or 4, she implies that, if Trump removed troops from Russia's borders, it is because he is compromised/blackmailed by Putin. She does stuff like this over and over again for hours on end. Occasionally, there is a quick disclaimer saying what anti-Trump theories she is speculating is uncorroborated. It is sad you can't see it.
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In reply to oski003 • 3:37p, 6/4/23
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:
Goldener Bar said:
dajo9 said:

Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.

dajo's follow up line is, "why do you care?".


My follow up line can be read right here
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114818/replies/2177199


I watched those same clips. She is definitely misleading. In clip 3 or 4, she implies that, if Trump removed troops from Russia's borders, it is because he is compromised/blackmailed by Putin. She does stuff like this over and over again for hours on end. Occasionally, there is a quick disclaimer saying what anti-Trump theories she is speculating is uncorroborated. It is sad you can't see it.


At the time Maddow was saying that Putin absolutely did have kompromat on Trump in the form of Trump lying during the Presidential campaign about trying to broker a real estate deal in Moscow during the election. That was first revealed by the Steele Dossier and was absolutely true. It's sad you can't see how corrupted Trump is and was. Maddow was absolutely right to highlight these issues.
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10:19p, 6/4/23
Due to Goldener Bar's massive 2 dozen Tweets regurgitation and it's requotes, I'm out of this thread until Page 5. My phone and my tablet just choke to death while trying to load it and give up. It's probably eating up a ton of bandwidth anyway. I can read it on my PC, but I don't usually do my BI reading there. Bye for now.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 10:58p, 6/4/23
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Due to Goldener Bar's massive 2 dozen Tweets regurgitation and it's requotes, I'm out of this thread until Page 5. My phone and my tablet just choke to death while trying to load it and give up. It's probably eating up a ton of bandwidth anyway. I can read it on my PC, but I don't usually do my BI reading there. Bye for now.


When you have someone that has told as many lies as Maddow and a forum full of conspiracy theorists, more is more.
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12:49p, 6/6/23


James Comey is a crooked homey.
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1:34p, 6/21/23
Although Unit2Sucks will correctly point out that meaningful convictions were never Durham's intent, it's very amusing to see the prosecutor admit--in front of Congress--that he came away with an o-fer:

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11:55p, 6/21/23
"IN THE END, THE LEOPARDS WHO LAUNCHED THE DURHAM INVESTIGATION ATE HIS FACE"
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/06/21/in-the-end-the-leopards-who-launched-the-durham-investigation-ate-his-face/
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In reply to dajo9 • 3:05p, 8/9/23
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
BearHunter said:
Goldener Bar said:
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Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
I already provided you an exhaustive list. You refusing to engage on it and pretend that none of it is true by resorting to the tried and true Russiagate conspiracy theorist tactic of smearing anyone who contradicts your conspiracy theory is tired.

dajo's follow up line is, "why do you care?".


My follow up line can be read right here
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114818/replies/2177199


I watched those same clips. She is definitely misleading. In clip 3 or 4, she implies that, if Trump removed troops from Russia's borders, it is because he is compromised/blackmailed by Putin. She does stuff like this over and over again for hours on end. Occasionally, there is a quick disclaimer saying what anti-Trump theories she is speculating is uncorroborated. It is sad you can't see it.
At the time Maddow was saying that Putin absolutely did have kompromat on Trump in the form of Trump lying during the Presidential campaign about trying to broker a real estate deal in Moscow during the election. That was first revealed by the Steele Dossier and was absolutely true. It's sad you can't see how corrupted Trump is and was. Maddow was absolutely right to highlight these issues.




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In reply to dajo9 • 7:22p, 8/14/23
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After 6+ years, this is the first time that Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist, Rachel Maddow has been questioned about her promotion of the Steele dossier, "Russian bounties" in Afghanistan, and other Russiagate lies.
He said she lied. What lie did she tell?
























Nice of you to provide the firehose of falsehoods from known propagandist Aaron Mate of Grayzone. My favorite was #3 when he said Maddow cited the pee tape (she didn't) and then #4 when Maddow said she didn't like thinking about a possible pee tape and Mate lies again saying again she talked about it in #3.

Seriously. Give me a lie she told. Not complaints about talking about items in the news.
Dumbo9 has taken about a month off from this forum, but I'm sure he'll be tuning in tonight to hear his two heroes spreading lies and rehashing Russia, Russia, Russia.



I'm sure the subtlety of this was lost on deep thinker Eastern Oregon Bear, who thinks I think Social Security is bad.


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10:02p, 8/15/23
LOL. 67% of Democrats still believe in the Russiagate conspiracy theory, compared to 41% of Independents and 17% of Republicans. 60% of independents and 83% of Republicans know the truth, while only 33% of Democrats have the intellectual honesty to admit it was a hoax.


Also LOL that Independents add up to 101%.


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11:06p, 4/24/24

Crossfire Hurricane

Obama personally approved it.

And Durham published it.
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7:53p, 5/4/24



Jack Smith's Prosecution of Trump is a Coverup Wrapped in a Setup...

Bombshells dropping left and right....
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