The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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BearlySane88
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bearister said:

The Irish detest Trump, whether they express it on a piece of toilet paper or in a White Paper.

Recent Pew Research Center surveys, conducted in 2025 across 24 countries, reveal the following:
Low confidence overall:

A median of 34% of adults expressed confidence in Trump to handle world affairs, while 62% had little or no confidence.

Widespread negative ratings: Views of Trump were negative in 19 of the 24 countries surveyed.

Mixed perceptions of strength: While a median of 80% associated him with "arrogant" and about two-thirds considered him "dangerous," majorities in 18 countries also described him as a "strong leader.

Confidence in Trump in 24 nations | Pew Research Center https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/11/confidence-in-trump/

*BTW, the Irish Star's Medium Credibility rating is something the sources cited by BI MAGAs should aspire to.


And yet look at that, Trump is handling world affairs. Here's to the Irish.

Ireland is also a terribly skewed choice for your argument, there is almost no real right wing to speak of there. Fine Gael claims to be center-right but have shifted more and more left over the years. Of course a country with left dominated politics and media would largely see Trump as unfavorable.
movielover
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Autopen was so great starting the Russia unwinnable war, further skyrocketing EU crippling energy prices, and flooding the EU w Ukrainian refugees.

They don't like Trump leveling trade deals and requiring more NATO spending (much down the pike, probably hot air).

Europe is bleeding jobs and wealth and is trying to blunt a Conservative surge.
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

bearister said:

The Irish detest Trump, whether they express it on a piece of toilet paper or in a White Paper.

Recent Pew Research Center surveys, conducted in 2025 across 24 countries, reveal the following:
Low confidence overall:

A median of 34% of adults expressed confidence in Trump to handle world affairs, while 62% had little or no confidence.

Widespread negative ratings: Views of Trump were negative in 19 of the 24 countries surveyed.

Mixed perceptions of strength: While a median of 80% associated him with "arrogant" and about two-thirds considered him "dangerous," majorities in 18 countries also described him as a "strong leader.

Confidence in Trump in 24 nations | Pew Research Center https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/11/confidence-in-trump/

*BTW, the Irish Star's Medium Credibility rating is something the sources cited by BI MAGAs should aspire to.


And yet look at that, Trump is handling world affairs. Here's to the Irish.

Ireland is also a terribly skewed choice for your argument, there is almost no real right wing to speak of there. Fine Gael claims to be center-right but have shifted more and more left over the years. Of course a country with left dominated politics and media would largely see Trump as unfavorable.



Trump is unpopular in every country in western Europe, except maybe with a small segment in England. He wasn't super popular before, but the Gaza genocide has also hurt his image and that of the US. even countries like Holland or Norway that were always pro-NATO and pro-Israel have turned around completely. Earlier today in Oslo:

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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

If Trump really is going to enforce a permanent cease fire in Gaza, then he does deserve credit for righting the ship, but he as well as the Biden administration also carry the blame for the death and destruction as well as the medieval starvation siege on a population of 2.1 millions that might have lost several hundred thousands in some of the most horrendous conditions imaginable.

If Trump lets Bibi resume the genocide after he recovers the remaining Israeli POWs, then he's a war criminal and a scumbag. I really hope that will not be the case.

Trump deserves credit for nothing.

Trump could have stopped the genocide on his first day in office, just like Reagan had the hostages on a plane back to the United States on his first day in office. It's one thing not to be able to stop the Ukraine War with the European nations so willing to step in and throw money down an infinite hole for a hopeless cause, but Israel can do nothing without it being tacitly approved by the U.S.

The idea of him getting a Nobel Peace Prize for anything he's done in office is ludicrous. It was fun poking at the dumbass liberals who looked the other way while Biden caused untold innocents to die for his vanity and call Trump the "peace president" just to highlight how awful their hero was, but Trump has been nothing but incompetent at ending either of these wars.

If Trump did what you suggest (without explanation) that he could have done, what would have happened to the hostages?
movielover
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They didn't like Reagan either, it's a very Liberal construction that we supported via extremely favorable trade deals and our military for decades. President Trump is changing that, they couldn't afford their social contract before and now with what many believe is an invasion, they're ready to come unglued. The populace doesn't want mass migration. To make it worse, the UK is bleeding millionaires (20K left last year).

(Some adult language.)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DO9LSZvAgxE/?igsh=ZWN0YTE2NXMwMmk4
BearGoggles
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Apparently the Palestinians are genocoding Palestinians.







bearister
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Hamas vows to 'cleanse Gaza of outlaws and collaborators'

https://mol.im/a/15183409
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Apparently Israel refused to take in the collaborator gangs. These gangs, referred to as Al-Shabab after their leader, were armed to the teeth by Israel and allowed to roam and rob with Israeli air and drone cover. As well, many of the trucks that Israel allowed into Gaza were routed through areas held by Al-Shabab, who stole the aid.

After France was liberated in 1944, around 50,000 collaborators were summarily executed.
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Cal88 said:

Trump is unpopular in every country in western Europe, except maybe with a small segment in England. He wasn't super popular before, but the Gaza genocide has also hurt his image and that of the US. even countries like Holland or Norway that were always pro-NATO and pro-Israel have turned around completely.

Western European leaders are very unpopular in western Europe with Macron leading the way at 14% approval rating.
movielover
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By trial, or street justice?
Cal88
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Starmer too, and Merz not much better. Meloni and Sanchez in Italy and Spain fare a bit better, the latter was boosted by his anti-Israel stance.
Cal88
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movielover said:

By trial, or street justice?


Majority by street justice.
BearGoggles
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Cal88 said:

Apparently Israel refused to take in the collaborator gangs. These gangs, referred to as Al-Shabab after their leader, were armed to the teeth by Israel and allowed to roam and rob with Israeli air and drone cover. As well, many of the trucks that Israel allowed into Gaza were routed through areas held by Al-Shabab, who stole the aid.

After France was liberated in 1944, around 50,000 collaborators were summarily executed.

So, just to be clear, in this post you are acknowledging Hamas is summarily executing Palestinians and you support that.

Disgusting.
Cal88
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

Apparently Israel refused to take in the collaborator gangs. These gangs, referred to as Al-Shabab after their leader, were armed to the teeth by Israel and allowed to roam and rob with Israeli air and drone cover. As well, many of the trucks that Israel allowed into Gaza were routed through areas held by Al-Shabab, who stole the aid.

After France was liberated in 1944, around 50,000 collaborators were summarily executed.

So, just to be clear, in this post you are acknowledging Hamas is summarily executing Palestinians and you support that.

Disgusting.



The truly remarkable aspect of your post above is that you are actually expressing concern over the lives of Palestinians.

That would have been commendable, had this concern been genuine, unfortunately it's as fake as your indignation above.

You clearly never gave a crap about the hundreds of thousands of Gazans who have been exterminated by Israel in this genocide. Yes, we will soon find out that the official numbers of 65k dead have been a gross underestimate.


Some background on the collaborators in Gaza:



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