The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread
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Yogi, your boy finally laid his cards on the table:
Trump suggests his plan for Gaza Strip is to 'clean out the whole thing' | CNN Politics
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt/index.html
"You're talking about a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing," Trump said, adding that there have been centuries-long conflicts in the region…… I'd rather get involved with some of the Arab nations and build housing in a different location where I think they could maybe live in peace for a change."
Yeah, Trump really owns Bibi, doesn't he? The good Ambassador Huckabee must have reminded Trump that there is no such thing as a Palestinian.
" Jared Kushner has praised the "very valuable" potential of Gaza's "waterfront property" and suggested Israel should remove civilians while it "cleans up" the strip."
…… Asked by Masoud about fears on the part of Arabs in the region that the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, would not allow Palestinians who flee Gaza to return, Kushner paused and then said: "Maybe."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Trump suggests his plan for Gaza Strip is to 'clean out the whole thing' | CNN Politics
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt/index.html
"You're talking about a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing," Trump said, adding that there have been centuries-long conflicts in the region…… I'd rather get involved with some of the Arab nations and build housing in a different location where I think they could maybe live in peace for a change."
Yeah, Trump really owns Bibi, doesn't he? The good Ambassador Huckabee must have reminded Trump that there is no such thing as a Palestinian.
" Jared Kushner has praised the "very valuable" potential of Gaza's "waterfront property" and suggested Israel should remove civilians while it "cleans up" the strip."
…… Asked by Masoud about fears on the part of Arabs in the region that the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, would not allow Palestinians who flee Gaza to return, Kushner paused and then said: "Maybe."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/117254/replies/2411347
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Wasn't there something along these lines in the first admin? I seem to recall some talk of a deal that included different land. It's a smart and practical plan, if one completely ignores the human element.
Ethnic cleansing is "smart and practical".
Give me a break.Cal88 said:
Ethnic cleansing is "smart and practical".
It's practical that if an area is completely destroyed you look for a better area for people to live.
It is practical to discern that Jews and Palestinians will never live side by side - 2 state solution - as long as Palestinians insist that Israel must be removed from the face of the map and all Jews killed.
It is IMpractical to think two nations that expelled Palestinians because they actively worked to undermine the government would ever take them back.
It is IMpractical to ignore the societal / political realities of Jordan and Egypt which make this impossible, namely that they are unstable regimes and their populations overwhelmingly side with the Palestinians.
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By the way, I think we just got our answer for why the Netanyahu government would agree to a peace deal that did not eliminate Hamas.
As currently reported, I really do not like this plan. The Palestinians are a society / peoples. You cannot eliminate them by dispersing them throughout the Middle East. This seems highly untenable.
As currently reported, I really do not like this plan. The Palestinians are a society / peoples. You cannot eliminate them by dispersing them throughout the Middle East. This seems highly untenable.
tequila4kapp said:
By the way, I think we just got our answer for why the Netanyahu government would agree to a peace deal that did not eliminate Hamas.
As currently reported, I really do not like this plan. The Palestinians are a society / peoples. You cannot eliminate them. I dispersing them throughout the Middle East. This seems highly untenable.
…. and yet some on this board would have you believe that the ceasefire occurred because Bibi feared strongman Trump. There was a reason that Bibi and the Far Right in Israel favored Trump in the election.
The Arab Americans that are sympathetic to the Palestinian people and that fell for this con and voted for Trump can now take their place in the long line along with everyone else that has ever been f@ucked by Trump.*
*The revelation of Trump betrayals will be in continuous roll out now. A whole lot of people will be coming out of that proverbial restroom, unlike Michael, with just their dicks in their hands.
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tequila4kapp said:Give me a break.Cal88 said:
Ethnic cleansing is "smart and practical".
It's practical that if an area is completely destroyed you look for a better area for people to live.
It is practical to discern that Jews and Palestinians will never live side by side - 2 state solution - as long as Palestinians insist that Israel must be removed from the face of the map and all Jews killed.
It is IMpractical to think two nations that expelled Palestinians because they actively worked to undermine the government would ever take them back.
It is IMpractical to ignore the societal / political realities of Jordan and Egypt which make this impossible, namely that they are unstable regimes and their populations overwhelmingly side with the Palestinians.
Jordan and Egypt aren't about to admit people associated with fundamentalist Muslim. They have their own problems with these groups
Israel has the whip hand now but it's over. Young Israelis are leaving. It is a pariah state. It'll be gone in a decade
Anarchistbear said:
Jordan and Egypt aren't about to admit people associated with fundamentalist Muslim. They have their own problems with these groups
Israel has the whip hand now but it's over. Young Israelis are leaving. It is a pariah state. It'll be gone in a decade
"Trump does have leverage to wield over Jordan, which is a debt-strapped, but strategically important, U.S. ally and is heavily dependent on foreign aid. The U.S. is historically the single-largest provider of that aid, including more than $1.6 billion through the State Department in 2023.
Much of that comes as support for Jordan's security forces and direct budget support.
Jordan in return has been a vital regional partner to the U.S. in trying to help keep the region stable. Jordan hosts some 3,000 U.S. troops. Yet, on Friday, new Secretary of State Marco Rubio exempted security assistance to Israel and Egypt but not to Jordan, when he laid out the details of a freeze on foreign assistance that Trump ordered on his first day in office."
Connect the dots. Trump will tell Egypt he will turn off the foreign aid spigot and tell Jordan he will turn the foreign aid spigot back on if they get the pesky Palestinian refugees out of his and Bibi's way (plus add sweetener to said aid). The Trump companies got some beachfront developin' to do. There are beaks that need gettin' wet.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2025/01/26/president-trump-palestinian-refugees-jordan-egypt-israel/stories/202501260123
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What is your favorite term, "whataboutism?" Biden gone, bro. Your boy won. He is The Establishment. Now he is the one f@ucking his voters and the Palestinians over. Trump will get it done because he won't hesitate to cut aid to get his way.
Just think what these spoiled brat bitter former Bernie supporters set in motion by supporting Trump….and as Trump starts laying waste to the landscape, these people will deny they had anything to do with Trump 3 times before the rooster crows.
Just think what these spoiled brat bitter former Bernie supporters set in motion by supporting Trump….and as Trump starts laying waste to the landscape, these people will deny they had anything to do with Trump 3 times before the rooster crows.
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That would be historically mind numbingly dumb. There is zero chance - ZERO - those countries lay down to Trump on this. They'll be overthrown by coup (Jordan) and run out of office at the next election (Egypt) in short order. The Kind of Jordan and leader in Egypt will tell Trump to pound sand and run to Russia / China to get that same aid elsewhere. There are times when some intelligence and nuance are required from a President and this is one of them.
An alternative theoretical approach that is better - though still highly improbable would be to get Jordan or Egypt to sell some unused desert adjacent to a body of water and create a new Palestinian state.
An alternative theoretical approach that is better - though still highly improbable would be to get Jordan or Egypt to sell some unused desert adjacent to a body of water and create a new Palestinian state.
A decade?! That's pretty fast.Anarchistbear said:tequila4kapp said:Give me a break.Cal88 said:
Ethnic cleansing is "smart and practical".
It's practical that if an area is completely destroyed you look for a better area for people to live.
It is practical to discern that Jews and Palestinians will never live side by side - 2 state solution - as long as Palestinians insist that Israel must be removed from the face of the map and all Jews killed.
It is IMpractical to think two nations that expelled Palestinians because they actively worked to undermine the government would ever take them back.
It is IMpractical to ignore the societal / political realities of Jordan and Egypt which make this impossible, namely that they are unstable regimes and their populations overwhelmingly side with the Palestinians.
Jordan and Egypt aren't about to admit people associated with fundamentalist Muslim. They have their own problems with these groups
Israel has the whip hand now but it's over. Young Israelis are leaving. It is a pariah state. It'll be gone in a decade
"There are times when some intelligence and nuance are required from a President and this is one of them."
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