The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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In reply to BearGoggles • 10:40a, 10/15/25
BearGoggles said:




"Every single county recruits collaborators from the local population in war time. Their lives are ALWAYS in danger when the war ends. Normally the country that recruited them evacuates them to safety.

Except Israel. Who instead abandons them because they're not Jews and instead uses their executions to promote their narrative."
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10:46a, 10/15/25


This describes the present situation, the Onion often is spot on.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:25a, 10/15/25
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?
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In reply to movielover • 12:35p, 10/15/25
No idea about the details, but I suspect seeing emaciated, scarred kids coming back from long detentions and torture would be bad PR for the Israelis.
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:41p, 10/15/25
Interesting how radical Libs get worked up about Palestinian children, but ignored 250K to 1 Million British working-class children and girls being repeatedly gang r*ped and tortured over three decades.

They're supposedly for the poor and children.

Oh yeah. They're largely European. Racism.
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In reply to movielover • 1:26p, 10/15/25
movielover said:
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?

Propaganda.
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In reply to oski003 • 2:20p, 10/15/25
oski003 said:
movielover said:
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?

Propaganda.






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In reply to Cal88 • 2:59p, 10/15/25
Cal88 said:
oski003 said:
movielover said:
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?

Propaganda.



So you're saying that Israel is still holding 323 Palestinian children and that Israel let them be surveyed about whether or not they had been tortured?
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 6:53p, 10/15/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
oski003 said:
movielover said:
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?

Propaganda.




So you're saying that Israel is still holding 323 Palestinian children and that Israel let them be surveyed about whether or not they had been tortured?


Yes, Israel is holding over 300 children, and yes, since they have been doing this for decades now, there has been a long established pattern of physical and mental torture on these child prisoners that includes rape.



Also, why is every post of yours on this thread is in defense of Israeli atrocities and genocide?? There is nothing more repulsive than so-called progressives shilling for Israel.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:48p, 10/15/25
Cal88 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
oski003 said:
movielover said:
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?

Propaganda.




So you're saying that Israel is still holding 323 Palestinian children and that Israel let them be surveyed about whether or not they had been tortured?


Yes, Israel is holding over 300 children, and yes, since they have been doing this for decades now, there has been a long established pattern of physical and mental torture on these child prisoners that includes rape.



Also, why is every post of yours on this thread is in defense of Israeli atrocities and genocide?? There is nothing more repulsive than so-called progressives shilling for Israel.

I've rarely posted in this thread and I don't support either side. Israel and Hamas are both evil. When I've posted to this thread, it's generally been to point out the logical inconsistencies in the claims people are making. If Israel is holding 323 children (they probably are), do you really think Israel is going to let some outside parties survey the kids about whether or not they have been tortured? It's very highly unlikely.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 4:46a, 10/16/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
oski003 said:
movielover said:
Why did Hamas and Trump agree to a deal which didn't include the children? Did his advisors shield that from him, or is this propoganda?

Propaganda.




So you're saying that Israel is still holding 323 Palestinian children and that Israel let them be surveyed about whether or not they had been tortured?


Yes, Israel is holding over 300 children, and yes, since they have been doing this for decades now, there has been a long established pattern of physical and mental torture on these child prisoners that includes rape.



Also, why is every post of yours on this thread is in defense of Israeli atrocities and genocide?? There is nothing more repulsive than so-called progressives shilling for Israel.

I've rarely posted in this thread and I don't support either side. Israel and Hamas are both evil. When I've posted to this thread, it's generally been to point out the logical inconsistencies in the claims people are making. If Israel is holding 323 children (they probably are), do you really think Israel is going to let some outside parties survey the kids about whether or not they have been tortured? It's very highly unlikely.



These outside parties have surveyed kids who went through Israeli incarceration after their release and were able to establish a base rate. Duh.

Have you ever pointed out "logical inconsistencies" or engaged in inane nitpicking about any of the claims from the side that is actually committing a genocide? Didn't think so.
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7:41a, 10/16/25
The PR/Nobel Peace Prize Lobbying:



The reality:



"Two years of war are over, the exchange of live hostages and prisoners is complete, aid is flowing and bulldozers are arriving to begin clearing away the rubble.

But Gaza's future , who governs, who provides security, what happens to Hamas and to the Israeli occupation force, is unsettled.

In Gaza, Hamas has sent its security forces into the streets and launched a bloody crackdown.

Hamas has publicly executed alleged collaborators and has also engaged in firefights with rival militias.
Axios


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11:29a, 10/16/25
allegedly freebie article, fair warning sad as shoot..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/16/is-gaza-war-over
> I am not celebrating the end of the 'war' because this was not a war and it's not over, either
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Thank you, Donald Trump. Thank you, Benjamin Netanyahu. Thank you, Jared Kushner. Let's all pause, shall we, and have a moment of appreciation for these three wise men who have finally brought peace to the Middle East. Blessed are the peacemakers!

And, of course, thank you to the Israeli military which, as a US taxpayer, I have done my part to help fund. To echo Kushner: "Instead of replicating the barbarism of the enemy, [Israel] chose to be exceptional."

It took exceptional restraint, I'm sure, not to level every single building and destroy all the arable land in Gaza. Instead only about 90% of homes are estimated to be damaged or destroyed. The school system has also been eradicated: according to Unesco-Unosat satellite damage assessments, more than 95% of school buildings require rehabilitation or reconstruction. The United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) has similarly said 97% of tree crops, 95% of shrubs and 82% of annual crops are gone.

It took exceptional humanity, I'm sure, not to kill every single child in Gaza. Instead a mere 20,000 children are dead, probably an underestimate, and an unknown number are rotting under 50m tonnes of debris. The toxic rubble is now home to the biggest cohort of child amputees in the world.
So, again: thank you, thank you, thank you.. .. .. .. .. .. ..

nowhere near over (duh)
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12:49p, 10/16/25
All of us, soon:

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In reply to sycasey • 12:53p, 10/16/25
snapshot failed for me too darnit, alot, giving up except as clickbait..
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 3:23p, 10/16/25
CaliforniaEternal said:
The release of the hostages is a great victory for the civilized world. Am Yisrael Chai.

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7:25a
A civil conversation with a sharp non-TDS journalist.

Statesman Trump.



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