The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:25p, 8/7/25
Cal88 said:


U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen strongly denied claims that Hamas is systematically stealing aid in Gaza, calling it "a big lie."

He emphasized that multiple international organizations, including USAID, have rejected these accusations.

Van Hollen accused the Israeli and U.S. governments of spreading this false narrative to justify using food as a weapon of war.
A perfect example of your use of biased social media sources.

Watch the video. Van Hollen says the claim that aid was "systematically DIVERTED" is false. Diverted is the key word. That word means the UN is alleged to have intentionally given aid to Hamas instead of Palestinian civilians. THAT allegation may well be false.

But your post from Supressed News changes the words "systematically DIVERTED" to "systematically STEALING", which changes the entire the meaning of the video to one in which a US Senator claims Hamas is not taking food. That tactic by Suppressed News is dishonest - probably intentionally so. They get away with it because they are part of the echo chamber where critical thought is replaced by any-Israeli hatred. The message delivered about Hamas stealing aid is patently and absurdly false.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 5:03p, 8/7/25
tequila4kapp said:
Cal88 said:


U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen strongly denied claims that Hamas is systematically stealing aid in Gaza, calling it "a big lie."

He emphasized that multiple international organizations, including USAID, have rejected these accusations.

Van Hollen accused the Israeli and U.S. governments of spreading this false narrative to justify using food as a weapon of war.

A perfect example of your use of biased social media sources.

Watch the video. Van Hollen says the claim that aid was "systematically DIVERTED" is false. Diverted is the key word. That word means the UN is alleged to have intentionally given aid to Hamas instead of Palestinian civilians. THAT allegation may well be false.

But your post from Supressed News changes the words "systematically DIVERTED" to "systematically STEALING", which changes the entire the meaning of the video to one in which a US Senator claims Hamas is not taking food. That tactic by Suppressed News is dishonest - probably intentionally so. They get away with it because they are part of the echo chamber where critical thought is replaced by any-Israeli hatred. The message delivered about Hamas stealing aid is patently and absurdly false.


This is a good example of why lawyers are disliked, the use of deceptive rhetoric. Your verbal sleight of hand here is to drive the notion that "diverting aid" is really not at all the same as "stealing aid". If they're diverting aid, they would be taking aid that isn't meant for them, and not paying for it, which is the definition of stealing.

Even if I indulge you with your vert dodgy legalese framing that diverting and stealing really are very different, the tweet above makes it very clear that Van Hollen did use the term "diverting "aid, in large fonts:




Van Hollen references the statements of Cindy McCain, who is an unbiased American voice and an expert on food aid delivery in her function as Executive Director of the UN World Food Programme, one of the largest and most experienced aid distribution organization:

When asked straight up on Face the Nation whether Hamas was stealing the food, she answered "no. not at all".



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So you are wrong about Hamas stealing the food aid. They didn't steal the aid in the first year of the conflict, when their position was a lot stronger. No one was starving then in Gaza, with nearly 400 food distribution points spread out across Gaza, dispensing meals and food in an orderly manner.

And you know damn well that Israel is withholding food from Gaza in a deliberate campaign to starve Gazans that they have started enforcing earlier this year, denial of this basic fact is evidence of gross manipulation and gaslighting.

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In reply to tequila4kapp • 5:26p, 8/7/25
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The plan is to colonize and ethnically cleanse Gaza, not quite post-WW2 Japan. That was the plan all along.


Like all of your posts this one relies heavily on social media from entirely biased people instead of mainstream sources. The first post from X includes comments indicating the speaker - who claims to have received 2 written offers from Hamas - is not a negotiator for Israel and hasn't been for about 15-20 years. There is also commentary indicating Hamas supposed offer of "surrender" did not include disarming or leaving Gaza.



You're lying about the speaker, Gershon Baskin, not being a negotiator for Israel and hasn't been for 15-20 years".

Straight from his wiki page:

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In July 2006, six days after Gilad Shalit was abducted in Gaza, Baskin unofficially opened a back channel with Hamas. Three months later Baskin successfully got Hamas to deliver a hand written letter from Shalit to his parents which was brought to the Office of the Egyptian Government in Gaza. He continued his behind the scenes efforts to negotiate a deal between Israel and Hamas throughout the five years and four months that Shalit was in captivity. He became the official intermediary between senior Hamas officials and senior Israeli Mossad Officer David Meidan

Continued talks with Hamas (20112023)

Immediately after Shalit's return, Baskin and Hamas began discussing the possibility of negotiating a long-term ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas. On 1 May 2012, Baskin presented the fourth draft of the proposed agreement to Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Barak formed a high level committee, composed of officials from the security establishment, to discuss the proposal. After two months, the committee decided against entering into a formal agreement with Hamas even if, as proposed, it were negotiated and formalized through the Egyptian General Intelligence Directorate.

2023present

After the 7 October attacks, Baskin continued his efforts to bring about the release of hostages taken to Gaza by Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PFLP, and individuals. Baskin has been in contact with authorities in Qatar, Egyptian Intelligence, and the Israeli government and intelligence community authorities. Days after the October 7 attack, Baskin begin negotiating (unofficially) for the release of all of the women and children hostages in exchange for the women and minor Palestinian prisoners. Baskin communicated with members of the Israeli War Cabinet.

As the Gaza war continued and with the hope of trying to save the lives of more Israeli hostages and innocent Palestinians in Gaza, he renewed his contacts with Hamad and other Hamas leaders. Baskin was also in contact with authorities in Qatar, Egyptian Intelligence, and the Israeli government and intelligence community authorities. In September 2024, Baskin received the agreement of the Hamas leadership through Ghazi Hamad for "The Three Weeks Deal" during which time Hamas would release all of the remaining Israeli and foreign hostages, the war would end, Israel would withdraw from Gaza and release an agreed to number and names of Palestinian prisoners.

In July 2025, he reported that Hamas also "is prepared for there to be a Palestinian professional civilian government take control of Gaza ... and that Hamas will not be part of that government.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gershon_Baskin#Gilad_Shalit_negotiations_(2006%E2%80%932011)



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Again, if Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse and colonize Gaza it would have been accomplished long ago. And Israel wouldn't have 20% Palestinian population. And Israel would not have removed Israeli settlements to give Palestinians Gaza some 20 years ago.


Israel has already ethnically cleansed 90% of Palestine, and what we are seeing now is their attempt to finish the job in Gaza and accelerate the slow process of stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank one home, one village at a time.

The reason they have only stepped up the killing now to an industrial scale is because Trump is either compromised (hello Epstein) or he's all in on his Trump Gaza beach resort. This is the most latitude and longest leash Israel has ever had from DC. They have already dropped the equivalent of 7-8 Hiroshima bombs on Gaza and destroyed 90% of that enclave.
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5:35p, 8/7/25


Marjorie Taylor Green may be the most honorable person in Congress. Who knew?
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 6:06a, 8/8/25
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Marjorie Taylor Green may be the most honorable person in Congress. Who knew?
another one from her social media feed that is on point


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In reply to Joe Friday • 7:14a, 8/8/25
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10:56a, 8/8/25


So long, Ruben
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12:54p, 8/8/25



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1:52p, 8/8/25

This is probably the most famous ice cream parlor in Gaza with two active branches.
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In reply to bear2034 • 2:25p, 8/8/25
bear2034 said:

This is probably the most famous ice cream parlor in Gaza with two active branches.


Weather in Ashkelon, Israel, north of Gaza: high of 93F, low 80F, so evening temperatures in the mid-80s, with high humidity being by the sea.

Do these people look like they are dressed for that kind of weather??

Why so gullible on anything Israel, 2034?
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