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11:59a, 12/13/24
If Sarah on Twitter says it then it must have gone down exactly as she describes.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:43p, 12/13/24
tequila4kapp said:
If Sarah on Twitter says it then it must have gone down exactly as she describes.

Perhaps you care to comment about what Dr Perlmutter had to say on the subject of Israeli targeted assassinations of Palestinian children:



Israel is deliberately targeting children, doctors and healthcare workers, according to this British surgeon who has volunteered in Gaza:





What kind of sadistic, genocidal regime bans anaesthetics??



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8:22a, 12/16/24
Netanyahu's testimony was surprisingly excused today which has prompted suspicions some major national event is about to happen - a strike on Iran's nuke facilities, a hostage deal???
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4:38p, 12/25/24
Let's go hamas
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8:12p, 1/12/25
Biden policy on Israel-Gaza sparks warnings, dissent, resignations


https://www.cbsnews.com/us-israel-gaza-policy-60-minutes/
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In reply to 6 Days Until No Joe • 8:27p, 1/14/25
6 Days Until No Joe said:


I seem to vaguely recall Democrat sycophants like sycasey and bearister assuring us that electing Trump over Biden would make things worse for Gaza. Instead, Trump appearing to be ramming a ceasefire deal right down Netanyahu's genocidal psychopathic throat and the right-wing genocidal crazies in Israel are apoplectic.

Of course, Netanyahu could always scuttle the deal as he has in the past and then we will see what consequences there are from the U.S. side, but the narrative that Trump would be worse for Gaza appears to be yet another Democrat fiction that is dead.

Read it and weep, losers.





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What is different this time, however, is that President-elect Donald Trump has made very clear his demand that a deal be reached before his inauguration on January 20. The terms of the deal being negotiated are largely consistent with what was on the table last May when outgoing President Joe Biden first announced it. Biden allowed Netanyahu to steamroll him for monthsrewarding Israel with billions of dollars in arms transfers and political support after rejecting that ceasefire deal. Since that time, tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians have been killed and maimed and an unknown number of Israeli captives killed, either by their captors or Israeli strikes. All the while, the administration and its backers repeatedly assured voters in the U.S. that Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris were working tirelessly to achieve a ceasefire deal.

The fact that Trump emerged as the decisive player in pushing a potential ceasefire forward is evidence that Biden never used the full powers available to a sitting U.S. president to seal the deal in the summer. While Trump has publicly repeated his threat that he will "unleash hell" on Hamas if the Israeli hostages are not freed, his pressure has not been solely focused on Hamas; Trump and his aides have made clear to Netanyahu that the president-elect expects Israel to comply with his demands, too.
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For weeks, Trump's new Middle East special envoy, real estate tycoon Steve Witkoff, has participated directly in the negotiations. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that last weekend, Witkoff forced Netanyahu to meet with him on Shabbat despite objections from the prime minister's aides. "Witkoff's blunt reaction took them by surprise. He explained to them in salty English that Shabbat was of no interest to him. His message was loud and clear," according to the report. "Witkoff has forced Israel to accept a plan that Netanyahu had repeatedly rejected over the past half year."
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Over the summer, Netanyahu quashed a deal that President Joe Biden had hailed as a "decisive" breakthrough. On July 2, Hamas officially informed mediators it had agreed to a U.S.-amended draft that included last-minute changes from Israel. But the U.S. joined Israel in falsely accusing Hamas of rejecting the deal.
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As news of the details of the current framework have leaked out, Israeli politicians and pundits who have advocated for a total war of annihilation against the Palestinians of Gaza have gone apoplectic. Some have characterized the deal as a total capitulation to Hamas and several have expressed anger that Trump appears to have forced Israel to make massive concessions that Biden had permitted Israel to reject. "We're the first to pay a price for Trump's election. [The deal] is being forced upon us," said Erel Segal, a right-wing pundit, on Israel's Channel 14. "We thought we'd take control of northern Gaza, that they'd let us impede humanitarian aid… if a million Gazans return to the north, we will not [be able to] return to remove them from these areas."



Trump retweeted a Jeffrey Sacks video where Sacks called Netanyahu an SOB. That is some kind of a statement there, one that Biden or the RINOs would never dare.



Major kudos to Trump there.
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In reply to 6 Days Until No Joe • 9:13p, 1/14/25
With regard to your sausage party celebration with your MAGA mates over Trump being the savior of the Palestinian people in Gaza:



Let's see how it plays out, especially the long game.


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In reply to bearister • 9:28p, 1/14/25
bearister said:
With regard to your sausage party celebration with your MAGA mates over Trump being the savior of the Palestinian people in Gaza:


Let's see how it plays out, especially the long game.

My expectations there were pretty low TBH, but it seems like a good start.
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In reply to 6 Days Until No Joe • 10:06p, 1/14/25
Insane Clown President Quotes by Matt Taibbi


https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/54279081-insane-clown-president-dispatches-from-the-american-circus
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In reply to bearister • 7:59a, 1/15/25
bearister said:
With regard to your sausage party celebration with your MAGA mates over Trump being the savior of the Palestinian people in Gaza:



Let's see how it plays out, especially the long game.


Pretty much. If a good deal can be reached, then that's great. But I have seen plenty of false hope from Israel before.
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11:10a, 1/15/25
Any cease fire that allows Hamas to remain in power and/or continue to exist in Gaza in any legal form (political party, aid organization) is a horrible deal. Shame on Trump.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 73 • 4:59p, 1/15/25
Hope things improve significantly for the Palestinians, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, according to our new Ambassador to Israel there is no such thing as a Palestinian. At least we know Mike will fight hard for their rights, whatever they are.
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9:20p, 1/16/25
I'm very encouraged to see that Israel and Hamas are working out their differences and starting to get along like good Christians.
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7:04p, 1/19/25
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



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In reply to Zippergate • 7:27p, 1/19/25
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



It was a mostly peaceful crowd. I'm sure many of them are in favor of a two state solution and peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, as is always the case, it seems those peace loving Palestinians are just off camera. Weird that they can never find those people.

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In reply to Zippergate • 6:26a, 1/20/25
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.




This outlet is an Israeli propagandist, the lynching narrative he provides here boils down to projection based on the decades-long portrayal of Palestinians as subhuman savages, a take that is amplified by one of the resident BI hardcore zionist above. In reality it is the Palestinians who have been subjected to decades of ruthless savagery.

Here is the real context of the release of the 3 Israeli hostages, posted by an Israeli journalist from the Israel Times, does this look like a "HORRIFFYING attempt at lynching" these 3 women, who were smiling throughout their handover to the Red Cross, in anticipating of their freeing??



What's really striking here, ironically, is the difference in treatment the hostages on the Palestinian and Israeli sides. The Israelis tortured to death many hostages, and not only systematically raped their prisoners but turned their prison rapists into national heroes, while the Israeli hostages were treated humanely by the Palestinians.


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8:26a, 1/20/25
Some of my best friends are jews. I have no liberian best friends, though. I should work on that in 2025.
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 8:43a, 1/20/25
Chapman_is_Gone said:
Some of my best friends are jews. I have no liberian best friends, though. I should work on that in 2025.


Me too, plus they make good lawyers. Nowadays though they have too much "dual loyalty" to some halfed ass religious state. Let your people go.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 11:05a, 1/20/25
BearGoggles said:
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



It was a mostly peaceful crowd. I'm sure many of them are in favor of a two state solution and peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, as is always the case, it seems those peace loving Palestinians are just off camera. Weird that they can never find those people.

Israeli snipers, on the other hand, have been good at "finding" those people.

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In reply to Cal88 • 11:39a, 1/20/25
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



It was a mostly peaceful crowd. I'm sure many of them are in favor of a two state solution and peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, as is always the case, it seems those peace loving Palestinians are just off camera. Weird that they can never find those people.

Israeli snipers, on the other hand, have been good at "finding" those people.

Remarkable that your defending/deflecting from the savagery of that mob. But not at all surprising.

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In reply to BearGoggles • 2:30p, 1/20/25
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



It was a mostly peaceful crowd. I'm sure many of them are in favor of a two state solution and peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, as is always the case, it seems those peace loving Palestinians are just off camera. Weird that they can never find those people.

Israeli snipers, on the other hand, have been good at "finding" those people.

Remarkable that your defending/deflecting from the savagery of that mob. But not at all surprising.


No deflections here, just providing context to the Zipper tweet above, there was no "lynch mob" and the Israeli hostages were not hurt in the transfer, in fact it looked like they were smiling throughout.

This goes to show the obscene double standards of Israeli zealots that you are displaying here, an Israeli sniper shoots a young Palestinian boy today, along his father, and then targets other locals who tried to save the boy, and you are unphased, apparently more troubled by the rowdiness of a crowd that did nothing like the tweet alleged, a crowd that has been relentlessly bombed and starved every day for the past year, that is now experiencing its first day of relative peace...
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In reply to Zippergate • 2:35p, 1/20/25
Zippergate said:




From the people that brought you "40 Behaded Babies", and other tales from the fertile if not morbidly cynical zionist crypt.
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In reply to Cal88 • 4:51p, 1/20/25
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



It was a mostly peaceful crowd. I'm sure many of them are in favor of a two state solution and peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, as is always the case, it seems those peace loving Palestinians are just off camera. Weird that they can never find those people.

Israeli snipers, on the other hand, have been good at "finding" those people.

Remarkable that your defending/deflecting from the savagery of that mob. But not at all surprising.


No deflections here, just providing context to the Zipper tweet above, there was no "lynch mob" and the Israeli hostages were not hurt in the transfer, in fact it looked like they were smiling throughout.

This goes to show the obscene double standards of Israeli zealots that you are displaying here, an Israeli sniper shoots a young Palestinian boy today, along his father, and then targets other locals who tried to save the boy, and you are unphased, apparently more troubled by the rowdiness of a crowd that did nothing like the tweet alleged, a crowd that has been relentlessly bombed and starved every day for the past year, that is now experiencing its first day of relative peace...
Calling BS. Massive deflections by you here. What does an alleged sniper incident have to do with an angry mob surrounding hostages? Literally nothing. Yet you keep wanting to deflect and then gaslight.

It was an angry mob - the fact that the hostages weren't hurt is irrelevant. Why did Hamas parade the hostages on the street, through an angry crowd? And why was ANYONE screaming at three female hostages? Like it or not, the culture in Gaza is toxic and you just want to make excuses and change the subject. You literally refuse to admit that the mob was in any way angry, threatening or bad. Shame on you.

And to be clear, there are no substantiated and reliable reports of an Israeli sniper killing a child. If that happened without justification, then I condemn it and would want the sniper (and others with responsibility) held to account. The reports should be investigated.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 5:08p, 1/20/25
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Zippergate said:
Genocide is wrong, but if all the people are combatants in a war that cannot be ended, the last fourteen months make a lot more sense.



It was a mostly peaceful crowd. I'm sure many of them are in favor of a two state solution and peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, as is always the case, it seems those peace loving Palestinians are just off camera. Weird that they can never find those people.

Israeli snipers, on the other hand, have been good at "finding" those people.

Remarkable that your defending/deflecting from the savagery of that mob. But not at all surprising.


No deflections here, just providing context to the Zipper tweet above, there was no "lynch mob" and the Israeli hostages were not hurt in the transfer, in fact it looked like they were smiling throughout.

This goes to show the obscene double standards of Israeli zealots that you are displaying here, an Israeli sniper shoots a young Palestinian boy today, along his father, and then targets other locals who tried to save the boy, and you are unphased, apparently more troubled by the rowdiness of a crowd that did nothing like the tweet alleged, a crowd that has been relentlessly bombed and starved every day for the past year, that is now experiencing its first day of relative peace...
Calling BS. Massive deflections by you here. What does an alleged sniper incident have to do with an angry mob surrounding hostages? Literally nothing. Yet you keep wanting to deflect and then gaslight.

It was an angry mob - the fact that the hostages weren't hurt is irrelevant. Why did Hamas parade the hostages on the street, through an angry crowd? And why was ANYONE screaming at three female hostages? Like it or not, the culture in Gaza is toxic and you just want to make excuses and change the subject. You literally refuse to admit that the mob was in any way angry, threatening or bad. Shame on you.

And to be clear, there are no substantiated and reliable reports of an Israeli sniper killing a child. If that happened without justification, then I condemn it and would want the sniper (and others with responsibility) held to account. The reports should be investigated.


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7:36p, 1/22/25
The 3 freed Israeli hostages report being held captive by Hamas in UN facilities and hospitals.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:27a, 1/24/25
tequila4kapp said:
The 3 freed Israeli hostages report being held captive by Hamas in UN facilities and hospitals.


Good for the hostages. There is probably a better chance these wouldn't be bombed.
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10:56a, 1/24/25
Wasn't this another war that Trump was going to end with a snap of his fingers?


Where we at with that?
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In reply to AunBear89 • 11:05a, 1/24/25
AunBear89 said:
Wasn't this another war that Trump was going to end with a snap of his fingers?


Where we at with that?

Are you really that clueless? There has been a cease fire, which already is a major breakthrough, due to Trump and Witkoff telling Netanyahu to accept it, something which the Biden-Blibken administration never did!

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-13/ty-article/.premium/trumps-mideast-envoy-forced-netanyahu-to-accept-a-gaza-plan-he-repeatedly-rejected/00000194-615c-d4d0-a1f4-fbfdce850000
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:09a, 1/24/25
Thank God Trump has neutered Bibi. Right?
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In reply to bearister • 11:27a, 1/24/25
Well, it's a good start, we'll see what happens there. As I have already mentioned, my expectations are pretty low...
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:01p, 1/24/25
My understanding is "cease fire" means no one is firing their guns. That doesn't seem to be happening. It may be happening in Gaza, but the West Bank and other areas…

But I understand the need to move goalposts after the coronation of Trump. "What the leader REALLY said was…"
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1:44p, 1/24/25
A ceasefire doesn't mean the war is over, it's just stopping fighting for now (presumably until hostages are all released).
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3:09p, 1/24/25
Reports that Hamas is breaking the deal by releasing 3 - not 4 - hostages tomorrow and they are apparently refusing to report on the status on some number of others.
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In reply to sycasey • 3:11p, 1/24/25
The ceasefire was obtained in spite of Netanyahu, Trump's envoy Witkoff strong-armed him. It resulted in the resignation of at least one ultra-far-right member of his cabinet, Ben Gvir. It was a significant positive step. It also marks the first time since Bush Sr. that a US administration pushed back Israel.
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