The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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In reply to Return of the King • 5:05p, 2/10/25
Can hardly wait for your take when Trump gives Bibi the green light to "finish the job."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-israel-cancel-ceasefire-232039060.html
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In reply to Return of the King • 3:27p, 2/11/25
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In reply to bearister • 3:37p, 2/11/25
bearister said:
Can hardly wait for your take when Trump gives Bibi the green light to "finish the job."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-israel-cancel-ceasefire-232039060.html

Trump just doubled down on his will to deport Gazans. That would be an unacceptable war crime.
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In reply to Cal88 • 4:05p, 2/11/25
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Can hardly wait for your take when Trump gives Bibi the green light to "finish the job."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-israel-cancel-ceasefire-232039060.html

Trump just doubled down on his will to deport Gazans. That would be an unacceptable war crime.

But completely justified by Gaza's potential as the Riviera of the Middle East.

Jared (with his $2B Saudi) has reared his head again:
Jared Kushner takes on major role in Trump's White House with Gaza takeover as Ivanka stays on sidelines | Daily Mail Online


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14384651/jared-kushner-donald-trump-white-house-gaza-ivanka.html

It makes one pine for the good ole days of the Middle East.


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10:28a, 2/17/25
Netanyahu shares AI vision of 'Gaza 2035' after Trump's 'Riviera' call - World News - News - Daily Express US


https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/163924/benjamin-netanyahu-donald-trump-gaza-s-transformation-2035

Bibi to Trump:



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In reply to Cal88 • 7:28p, 2/17/25
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Can hardly wait for your take when Trump gives Bibi the green light to "finish the job."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-israel-cancel-ceasefire-232039060.html

Trump just doubled down on his will to deport Gazans. That would be an unacceptable war crime.

It's exactly what he should do. Somebody has to be the adult in the room.
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10:56p, 2/17/25

"He who saves his Country [sic] does not violate any Law [sic]."

I guess one of my many questions about that statement would be... he wants to take over Gaza and he wants to broker peace in Ukraine but without the Ukrainians at the table. These aren't even his countries he's saving!
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In reply to Big C • 11:02p, 2/17/25
Big C said:

"He who saves his Country [sic] does not violate any Law [sic]."

I guess one of my many questions about that statement would be... he wants to take over Gaza and he wants to broker peace in Ukraine but without the Ukrainians at the table. These aren't even his countries he's saving!
It's not surprising. Trump negotiated the Abraham Accords that supposedly brought peace between the Arabs and the Israelis without most of the Arab countries being involved.
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In reply to Big C • 6:46a, 2/18/25
Big C said:

"He who saves his Country [sic] does not violate any Law [sic]."

I guess one of my many questions about that statement would be... he wants to take over Gaza and he wants to broker peace in Ukraine but without the Ukrainians at the table. These aren't even his countries he's saving!

The current government of Ukraine has constitutionally banned any negotiation with Russia to end the war, and they have gone as far as executing Ukrainians who they deem soft on Russia.

In Gaza, it is the Israelis who have had a long history of killing Palestinian negotiators.
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In reply to Big C • 7:44a, 2/18/25
Big C said:

"He who saves his Country [sic] does not violate any Law [sic]."

I guess one of my many questions about that statement would be... he wants to take over Gaza and he wants to broker peace in Ukraine but without the Ukrainians at the table. These aren't even his countries he's saving!
It is a very disturbing statement that is topped by his willingness to say it out loud. The answer is No, you do not get to break the law in the name of (according to him) saving the country. F that noise.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:46a, 2/18/25
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Can hardly wait for your take when Trump gives Bibi the green light to "finish the job."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-israel-cancel-ceasefire-232039060.html

Trump just doubled down on his will to deport Gazans. That would be an unacceptable war crime.
In an abstract way his proposal makes sense but ultimately it's a non-starter. We need a Palestinian political entity that accepts Israel's right to exist.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 8:57a, 2/18/25
tequila4kapp said:
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Can hardly wait for your take when Trump gives Bibi the green light to "finish the job."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-israel-cancel-ceasefire-232039060.html

Trump just doubled down on his will to deport Gazans. That would be an unacceptable war crime.
In an abstract way his proposal makes sense but ultimately it's a non-starter. We need a Palestinian political entity that accepts Israel's right to exist.
Trump's proposal is intended to reach that result by removing Hamas. It seems pretty clear he's creating a worse option (at least in theory) so that the Palestinians will accept a compromise.

He's also putting pressure on Qatar/Egypt and other countries who support Hamas but won't accept any refugees. Put up or shut up. According to google/AI, over 5M Syrians fled Syria due to war and were accepted by other countries. Why are they not accepting Palestinian refugees?

There's a 0% chance Palestinians are forcibly removed from Gaza. Some may voluntarily leave if given an option.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:00a, 2/18/25
tequila4kapp said:
Big C said:

"He who saves his Country [sic] does not violate any Law [sic]."

I guess one of my many questions about that statement would be... he wants to take over Gaza and he wants to broker peace in Ukraine but without the Ukrainians at the table. These aren't even his countries he's saving!
It is a very disturbing statement that is topped by his willingness to say it out loud. The answer is No, you do not get to break the law in the name of (according to him) saving the country. F that noise.
+1. This is bad on all fronts.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 8:00a
tequila4kapp said:
Big C said:

"He who saves his Country [sic] does not violate any Law [sic]."

I guess one of my many questions about that statement would be... he wants to take over Gaza and he wants to broker peace in Ukraine but without the Ukrainians at the table. These aren't even his countries he's saving!
It is a very disturbing statement that is topped by his willingness to say it out loud. The answer is No, you do not get to break the law in the name of (according to him) saving the country. F that noise.


America voted for this. YOUR team is doing this. Your criticism rings hollow.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to Return of the King • 8:04a
You love Trump. You L O V E Trump. You want to marry him. You want to bounce on his lap like a post pubescent Ivanka, you are getting turgid as you read this.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to AunBear89 • 9:02a
AunBear89 said:

America voted for this. YOUR team is doing this. Your criticism rings hollow.
If people on the right agree with Trump they are mindless MAGA followers.
If people on the right disagree with Trump their criticisms ring hollow.

I am very happy to not live in a binary world where I foolishly believe my side is always right and the other side is always wrong. Perhaps others gain some kind of comfort from living in that delusional state. I don't know.

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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:31a
If what you say is true and not mindless virtue signaling, you are a very rare conservative, and will likely be labeled "Rino" if you don't fall in to lock step with the rest of Conservative America.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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