The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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tequila4kapp
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Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
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tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
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tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
Disagree.

The twitter post below explains what I'm thinking better than I can. But the short story is that there is only one thing Hamas (and other radical groups) care about. It is not the loss of life or civilian suffering. It is the loss of land.

Trump understands this. The only thing he can do to (maybe) change Hamas' behaviors and attitudes is to threaten the loss of land.



I think there is zero chance the US takes over Gaza and/or that other countries take significant numbers of Gaza residents. Jordan and Egypt certainly will no.
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The plan is to compress the survivors into the southern half or third of Gaza, and for Israel to take over the north, which also has vast gas reserves in its territorial waters. Ethnically cleansing all of Gaza is a stretch goal.
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Cal88 said:

The plan is to compress the survivors into the southern half or third of Gaza, and for Israel to take over the north, which also has vast gas reserves in its territorial waters. Ethnically cleansing all of Gaza is a stretch goal.
What plan? Who has published this alleged plan?
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

The plan is to compress the survivors into the southern half or third of Gaza, and for Israel to take over the north, which also has vast gas reserves in its territorial waters. Ethnically cleansing all of Gaza is a stretch goal.
What plan? Who has published this alleged plan?

AKA "The General's Plan.




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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

The plan is to compress the survivors into the southern half or third of Gaza, and for Israel to take over the north, which also has vast gas reserves in its territorial waters. Ethnically cleansing all of Gaza is a stretch goal.
What plan? Who has published this alleged plan?

AKA "The General's Plan.



That sounds like how Elon Musk is treating federal workers. Resign by tomorrow and we'll give you a few crumbs.
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Why is this thread still active? Didn't Trump already solve everything and the Middle East is safe and peaceful once again?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Why is this thread still active? Didn't Trump already solve everything and the Middle East is safe and peaceful once again?

It's funny that people on team D did not give a flying **** about Gaza and the ongoing genocide there until Trump took over...
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Not on team D. But you and everyone else on Team R keep assuming that anyone who criticizes you or your leaders is on the other side.

I am smart enough to have learned long ago that worrying about the Middle East is a fool's errand. Too much money and power and religion involved in the region for it to ever be peaceful. Blood on everyone's hands, regardless of which team they are on, or which bed time stories they believe.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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Cal88 said:

AunBear89 said:

Why is this thread still active? Didn't Trump already solve everything and the Middle East is safe and peaceful once again?

It's funny that people on team D did not give a flying **** about Gaza and the ongoing genocide there until Trump took over...

For the record, I did care and argued that Trump would be worse for Palestinians. We'll see how it goes, but so far the signs are not great.
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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

The plan is to compress the survivors into the southern half or third of Gaza, and for Israel to take over the north, which also has vast gas reserves in its territorial waters. Ethnically cleansing all of Gaza is a stretch goal.
What plan? Who has published this alleged plan?

AKA "The General's Plan.





The so called General's Plan, which was not implemented by Israel, has nothing to with Trump's threat/plan to have the US take over Gaza.

And as I mentioned, Trump's so called plan has a close to 0% chance of ever being implemented.
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Native American's at the end of the 19th Century understood men like Trump.

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calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
Reading comprehension 101. Am I supporting him here?

I agree with some things Trump does and not others. I say so both ways. I did the same thing with Biden. That seemingly doesn't compute for some who only see a simple binary political world.
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Move the Israelis here, like Miami Beach
Move the Palestinians to Israel
Everyone is happy
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tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
Reading comprehension 101. Am I supporting him here?

I agree with some things Trump does and not others. I say so both ways. I did the same thing with Biden. That seemingly doesn't compute for some who only see a simple binary political world.
When is Trump extremely strategic? Is it the tariffs? Was it firing the inspector general's? Is it letting an unelected billionaire take over the government? Was it his covid response? Is it wanting to give a tax break for the billionaireswhile reducing/eliminating social security/medicare? Was it hiding classified documents? Is it his constant grifting on the taxpayers dime? Was it when he cheated on his taxes? Was it hiring prostitutes? I could go on but there are only so many hours in the day. You would have suffered an aneurysm if Biden had performed any one of these items.
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What Trump said about Gaza and how top administration officials contradicted him | AP News


https://apnews.com/article/trump-rubio-leavitt-gaza-permanent-temporary-funding-53d3c737d24dd8ea290e0e7962546575

"Top Trump administration voices on Wednesday contradicted some of the comments the president made a day earlier about the U.S. taking long-term control of war-shattered Gaza, the possibility of sending in American troops and the area's residents being permanently resettled."







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"All types of knowledge, ultimately mean self-knowledge."
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Which one you idiots was formerly known as Genocide Joe?
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Haloski said:

Which one you idiots was formerly known as Genocide Joe?

The newest Yogi sock puppet is Return of The King.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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"All types of knowledge, ultimately mean self-knowledge."
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going4roses said:



Did she remove the cross around her neck because it sizzled when it touched her?

"Beware of practicing your piety before others in order to be seen by them; for then you have no reward from your Father in heaven. So whenever you give alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be praised by others"
-Jesus Christ (Matthew 6:1-2. )
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alrighty then, g4r, so i'm evil # and not the only one
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calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
Reading comprehension 101. Am I supporting him here?

I agree with some things Trump does and not others. I say so both ways. I did the same thing with Biden. That seemingly doesn't compute for some who only see a simple binary political world.
When is Trump extremely strategic? Is it the tariffs? Was it firing the inspector general's? Is it letting an unelected billionaire take over the government? Was it his covid response? Is it wanting to give a tax break for the billionaireswhile reducing/eliminating social security/medicare? Was it hiding classified documents? Is it his constant grifting on the taxpayers dime? Was it when he cheated on his taxes? Was it hiring prostitutes? I could go on but there are only so many hours in the day. You would have suffered an aneurysm if Biden had performed any one of these items.
Work backwards from any of the events where governments have mysteriously backtracked to give Trump what he wants. Panama with the Canal. Denmark offering expanded use of Greenland for defense. Mexico and Canada with immigration. It's patently obvious to me that Trump routinely starts with the DefCom5 punishment (and is willing to do it) as his opening salvo then negotiates back from it. Except that sometimes it's maybe not a negotiating tactic. That ambiguity helps him.

FWIW Don't be surprised if Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist as a condition to Palestinians remaining in Gaza. That would be a predictable outcome of this crazy ass "relocate Palestinians" business.
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tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
Reading comprehension 101. Am I supporting him here?

I agree with some things Trump does and not others. I say so both ways. I did the same thing with Biden. That seemingly doesn't compute for some who only see a simple binary political world.
When is Trump extremely strategic? Is it the tariffs? Was it firing the inspector general's? Is it letting an unelected billionaire take over the government? Was it his covid response? Is it wanting to give a tax break for the billionaireswhile reducing/eliminating social security/medicare? Was it hiding classified documents? Is it his constant grifting on the taxpayers dime? Was it when he cheated on his taxes? Was it hiring prostitutes? I could go on but there are only so many hours in the day. You would have suffered an aneurysm if Biden had performed any one of these items.
Work backwards from any of the events where governments have mysteriously backtracked to give Trump what he wants. Panama with the Canal. Denmark offering expanded use of Greenland for defense. Mexico and Canada with immigration. It's patently obvious to me that Trump routinely starts with the DefCom5 punishment (and is willing to do it) as his opening salvo then negotiates back from it. Except that sometimes it's maybe not a negotiating tactic. That ambiguity helps him.

FWIW Don't be surprised if Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist as a condition to Palestinians remaining in Gaza. That would be a predictable outcome of this crazy ass "relocate Palestinians" business.
Interesting that you mention the Panama Canal. Here is the headline: "Panama's leader rejects State Department claim of deal for U.S. warships to traverse Panama Canal for free". https://www.cbsnews.com/news/panama-canal-president-mulino-denies-deal-free-passage-us-warships-rubio/

So once again you fall short. No surprise. The stated success of the current occupier of the WH are often lies but what do you expect from a serial liar.
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calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
Reading comprehension 101. Am I supporting him here?

I agree with some things Trump does and not others. I say so both ways. I did the same thing with Biden. That seemingly doesn't compute for some who only see a simple binary political world.
When is Trump extremely strategic? Is it the tariffs? Was it firing the inspector general's? Is it letting an unelected billionaire take over the government? Was it his covid response? Is it wanting to give a tax break for the billionaireswhile reducing/eliminating social security/medicare? Was it hiding classified documents? Is it his constant grifting on the taxpayers dime? Was it when he cheated on his taxes? Was it hiring prostitutes? I could go on but there are only so many hours in the day. You would have suffered an aneurysm if Biden had performed any one of these items.
Work backwards from any of the events where governments have mysteriously backtracked to give Trump what he wants. Panama with the Canal. Denmark offering expanded use of Greenland for defense. Mexico and Canada with immigration. It's patently obvious to me that Trump routinely starts with the DefCom5 punishment (and is willing to do it) as his opening salvo then negotiates back from it. Except that sometimes it's maybe not a negotiating tactic. That ambiguity helps him.

FWIW Don't be surprised if Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist as a condition to Palestinians remaining in Gaza. That would be a predictable outcome of this crazy ass "relocate Palestinians" business.
Interesting that you mention the Panama Canal. Here is the headline: "Panama's leader rejects State Department claim of deal for U.S. warships to traverse Panama Canal for free". https://www.cbsnews.com/news/panama-canal-president-mulino-denies-deal-free-passage-us-warships-rubio/

So once again you fall short. No surprise. The stated success of the current occupier of the WH are often lies but what do you expect from a serial liar.
Also, did we really get anything out of Mexico or Canada? They were already sending additional forces to the borders.
tequila4kapp
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Jesus, sometimes you can be something else. Go look up Panama's initial position. Compare it to the current state. That Delta exists for a reason.
calpoly
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tequila4kapp said:

Jesus, sometimes you can be something else. Go look up Panama's initial position. Compare it to the current state. That Delta exists for a reason.
BTW, you avoided my original question. Typical.
calpoly
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sycasey said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Trump sometimes says the most outlandish stuff. Sometimes he's extremely strategic and is executing a larger plan that leverages the craziness of his words. Other times he is just bat **** crazy. This one trends pretty heavily toward BSC to me.
You only got half of it correct (as usual). He is bat **** crazy and yet you still support him.
Reading comprehension 101. Am I supporting him here?

I agree with some things Trump does and not others. I say so both ways. I did the same thing with Biden. That seemingly doesn't compute for some who only see a simple binary political world.
When is Trump extremely strategic? Is it the tariffs? Was it firing the inspector general's? Is it letting an unelected billionaire take over the government? Was it his covid response? Is it wanting to give a tax break for the billionaireswhile reducing/eliminating social security/medicare? Was it hiding classified documents? Is it his constant grifting on the taxpayers dime? Was it when he cheated on his taxes? Was it hiring prostitutes? I could go on but there are only so many hours in the day. You would have suffered an aneurysm if Biden had performed any one of these items.
Work backwards from any of the events where governments have mysteriously backtracked to give Trump what he wants. Panama with the Canal. Denmark offering expanded use of Greenland for defense. Mexico and Canada with immigration. It's patently obvious to me that Trump routinely starts with the DefCom5 punishment (and is willing to do it) as his opening salvo then negotiates back from it. Except that sometimes it's maybe not a negotiating tactic. That ambiguity helps him.

FWIW Don't be surprised if Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist as a condition to Palestinians remaining in Gaza. That would be a predictable outcome of this crazy ass "relocate Palestinians" business.
Interesting that you mention the Panama Canal. Here is the headline: "Panama's leader rejects State Department claim of deal for U.S. warships to traverse Panama Canal for free". https://www.cbsnews.com/news/panama-canal-president-mulino-denies-deal-free-passage-us-warships-rubio/

So once again you fall short. No surprise. The stated success of the current occupier of the WH are often lies but what do you expect from a serial liar.
Also, did we really get anything out of Mexico or Canada? They were already sending additional forces to the borders.
Exactly.
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tequila4kapp said:

Jesus, sometimes you can be something else. Go look up Panama's initial position. Compare it to the current state. That Delta exists for a reason.


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