Israel is doing to Gaza what the Russians did to Prussia in WWII. The Germans were the bad guys in WWII. Does that make what the Russians did in Prussia, right?
Don't have to go that far back to justify Israel's actions based on Russian aggression.
Geopolitical realists have said for 2 years that Russia is justified in leveling Ukraine because Ukraine made friends with the West, which was a red line for Russia, despite the fact that Ukraine posed no threat to Russia and didn't fire a single bullet across the border.
That same philosophy of course would defend Israel. It's quite obvious that Hamas' actions were a gross violation of any reasonable red line, and had been for years. I assume that all of the geopolitical realists agree that Israel needs to protect its citizens and borders and that Hamas and everyone else should expect them to do so. I'm sure the realists also probably demand that Hamas and Gaza immediately surrender and lay down their rockets and other arms because their is no military solution for Gaza against Israel.
Obviously there won't be unanimity here. Some of the people pretending to be realists were really just Russian shills who cherry pick arguments based on what suits Putin. Given that Putin backs Hamas and Iran, those shills are required to stand against Israel despite pretending to be realists.
Israel is doing to Gaza what the Russians did to Prussia in WWII. The Germans were the bad guys in WWII. Does that make what the Russians did in Prussia, right?
Don't have to go that far back to justify Israel's actions based on Russian aggression.
Geopolitical realists have said for 2 years that Russia is justified in leveling Ukraine because Ukraine made friends with the West, which was a red line for Russia, despite the fact that Ukraine posed no threat to Russia and didn't fire a single bullet across the border.
That same philosophy of course would defend Israel. It's quite obvious that Hamas' actions were a gross violation of any reasonable red line, and had been for years. I assume that all of the geopolitical realists agree that Israel needs to protect its citizens and borders and that Hamas and everyone else should expect them to do so. I'm sure the realists also probably demand that Hamas and Gaza immediately surrender and lay down their rockets and other arms because their is no military solution for Gaza against Israel.
Obviously there won't be unanimity here. Some of the people pretending to be realists were really just Russian shills who cherry pick arguments based on what suits Putin. Given that Putin backs Hamas and Iran, those shills are required to stand against Israel despite pretending to be realists.
For people like you, who are completely obsessed and have become completely irrational since 2016, everything related to foreign policy revolves around Putin, and even US elections and domestic politics.
If you want a realist assessment of the Gaza situation, I would recommend listening to John Mearsheimer or Jeffrey Sachs, with whom I agree completely on their analysis of both Ukraine and Gaza.
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Ukraine posed no threat to Russia and didn't fire a single bullet across the border.
The Zelensky govt also announced its intention to acquire nuclear weapons before the Russians invaded. Ukraine has been bombing the Donbass and repressing its Russian south since 2014. They have sent their tanks into cities like Mariupol and Donetsk to repress a popular uprising against the Maidan coup, which has overturned the democratically-elected government that they have overwhelmingly voted for.
'Putin didn't want the war' John Mearsheimer on Ukraine
War in Ukraine is the Fault of US, British and NATO Expansion.
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Ukraine has been governed by an anti-Russian 1930s-era radical Ukrainian nationalistic ideology that considers Russian culture as alien and invasive, putting nearly a third of its population as second class citizens. This has been confirmed just today by Arestovich, who was Zelensky's top advisor until last year:
Arestovich dropping some 🔥
"The Ukraine has nothing to offer the people of Donbass and Crimea except second-class status. The problem is that they have nothing to offer their own people except second-class status. Look at the curious situation that's developed. It's been going… pic.twitter.com/6itdlePN52
Russia hasnt "levelled" Ukraine, all the cities that aren't near the frontline like Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro etc are virtually unscathed. Russia did not cut off their flow of food, medecine, fuel or water the way Israel has been starving and completely levelling Gaza, not even close! Almost all the deaths in Gaza are civilians, and almost all those in Ukraine are military, if you don't see the difference here, you're a complete fraud.
A NYT investigation found “Israel dropped 2,000-pound bombs where it ordered Gaza’s civilians to move for safety." I visited that area in early 2001, long before Hamas came to power, and saw devastation from Israeli forces. Bullet-riddled homes, bullet-riddled children. This was… pic.twitter.com/yz9fDIWsI6
A NYT investigation found "Israel dropped 2,000-pound bombs where it ordered Gaza's civilians to move for safety." I visited that area in early 2001, long before Hamas came to power, and saw devastation from Israeli forces. Bullet-riddled homes, bullet-riddled children. This was Palestinian life decades before Oct. 7, and even before a single rocket was fired into Israel. We must know this background if we hope to comprehend today's reality.
A NYT investigation found “Israel dropped 2,000-pound bombs where it ordered Gaza’s civilians to move for safety." I visited that area in early 2001, long before Hamas came to power, and saw devastation from Israeli forces. Bullet-riddled homes, bullet-riddled children. This was… pic.twitter.com/yz9fDIWsI6
A NYT investigation found "Israel dropped 2,000-pound bombs where it ordered Gaza's civilians to move for safety." I visited that area in early 2001, long before Hamas came to power, and saw devastation from eIsraeli forces. Bullet-riddled homes, bullet-riddled children. This was Palestinian life decades before Oct. 7, and even before a single rocket was fired into Israel. We must know this background if we hope to comprehend today's reality.
The breadth and ease with which people use incorrect information reaches the level where we cannot excuse it as mistakes. The narrative that Gaza was some garden of tranquility but for irrational Israeli violence is an absurd lie.
It is reported there have been some 20,000 rocket attacks against Israel since 2001. That's only slightly more than 2 per day on average for 23 years. No biggie.
20,000 Palestinians dead. A million facing starvation. Is there a line in this war? Has it been crossed? If not, when will it be crossed? Is it a case of no line at all? Your thoughts?
There is no line.
The commonly-understood goal among the Netanyahu/Likud/Zionist far right extremist coalition is genocide and ethnic cleansing.
No other "solutions" are being considered. The plan is genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, period. And the Biden administration is 100% on board with this.
As the genocide continues, the U.S. Neocons and the Israel's Likud/Zionist extremists will find themselves isolated -- even from their own "rules-based international order". [This is a term used by U.S. Neocons to assert a unipolar regime, where the U.S. Neocons make & enforce the rules that suit them, and ignore & dismiss the Geneva Conventions, the U.N. and the International Criminal Court.]
Netanyahu & his fellow extremists, and the U.S. Neocons, have always wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. By continuing the genocide, Netanyahu is provoking Israel's neighbors to attack -- because Israel & the U.S. are actively ignoring any & all calls to stop the genocide. Even near-unanimous UN resolutions calling for a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza are dismissed and ignored -- or even worse, labeled as "anti-Semitic."
This is reinforcing the notion among the world's nations that for the U.S. & Israel, "military force is all that they understand."
20,000 Palestinians dead. A million facing starvation. Is there a line in this war? Has it been crossed? If not, when will it be crossed? Is it a case of no line at all? Your thoughts?
There is no line.
The commonly-understood goal among the Netanyahu/Likud/Zionist far right extremist coalition is genocide and ethnic cleansing.
No other "solutions" are being considered. The plan is genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, period. And the Biden administration is 100% on board with this.
As the genocide continues, the U.S. Neocons and the Israel's Likud/Zionist extremists will find themselves isolated -- even from their own "rules-based international order". [This is a term used by U.S. Neocons to assert a unipolar regime, where the U.S. Neocons make & enforce the rules that suit them, and ignore & dismiss the Geneva Conventions, the U.N. and the International Criminal Court.]
Netanyahu & his fellow extremists, and the U.S. Neocons, have always wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. By continuing the genocide, Netanyahu is provoking Israel's neighbors to attack -- because Israel & the U.S. are actively ignoring any & all calls to stop the genocide. Even near-unanimous UN resolutions calling for a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza are dismissed and ignored -- or even worse, labeled as "anti-Semitic."
This is reinforcing the notion among the world's nations that for the U.S. & Israel, "military force is all that they understand."
About 20% of Israeli population is Arab/Palestinian. Arab/Palestinians hold seats in the Knesset and have done so virtually continuously since 1949. There are multiple Arab/Palestinian political parties. Their population has grown from @150K in 1948 to @2.1M today.
As of the early 2000's Arab / Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have a life expectancy of > 70 years and population growth rates are among the highest in the world. The Arab/Palestinian population in the West Banks was @650K in 1948; it is @2,250,000 today. In Gaza the population for the same year went from @70K to @2,375,000. Even accounting for the @575K and 825K refugees in each area, there has been substantial population growth.
The only ethnicity that has been cleansed from Gaza is Jews, who were forcibly removed by their own military in 2005. There are 0 Jews living in Gaza. Zero.
With this record Israel is the worst country ever at having an Apartheid state and performing genocide.
Recent IDF videos show terrorists bringing hostages into Al Shifa hospital, weapons stored inside Al Shifa, weapons/explosives at a children's hospital, tunnels adjacent to / at assorted hospitals, mortar bombs in / adjacent to a kindergarten class, mortar bombs stored by a terrorist under his daughter's bed, a cache of mortars inside a daycare, etc.
I know, I know. Propaganda. (But keep asking why "civilian" sites are bombed)
Think of Chapman as like the homophobic gay guy. The gay club "repulses" him so much he keeps coming back over and over again. To profess his "hate". He'll leave soon enough. But you can't change biology. He'll be back.
I think that the current Pope makes many statements that answer the question "What would Jesus do?" ….and those statements consistently drive the crowd that purport to know what Jesus would do into a frenzy.
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I think that the current Pope makes many statements that answer the question "What would Jesus do?" ….and those statements consistently drive the crowd that purport to know what Jesus would do into a frenzy.
Jews are the guys who killed Jesus so what do you expect?
If any of the reports are proven true criminal charges and convictions should ensue.
So far I see "reports" which circulate like wildfire on social media, but no evidence of who did the shooting.
It's worth remembering that 1) Israel denies all charges; 2) The on the ground events in the middle of the war are complex and likely confusing, and that may explain events in a way that's different from 3rd hand victim (or other) statements which immediately claim intent and purposefulness of assassinating civilians. 3) this is an area where a terrorist organization punishes Palestinians who have the audacity to say they want peace. Those people are labeled traitors and jailed or killed. We also know Hamas is very liberal in its willingness to incur civilian Palestinian casualties to advance their cause. In such an environment it is possible there is a different nefarious explanation for some of the "reports".
Recent IDF videos show terrorists bringing hostages into Al Shifa hospital, weapons stored inside Al Shifa, weapons/explosives at a children's hospital, tunnels adjacent to / at assorted hospitals, mortar bombs in / adjacent to a kindergarten class, mortar bombs stored by a terrorist under his daughter's bed, a cache of mortars inside a daycare, etc.
I know, I know. Propaganda. (But keep asking why "civilian" sites are bombed)
The IDF spokesman used very specific language. Even if certain specific claims are incorrect the overarching claim that Hamas uses civilian sites, including hospitals, for military purposes is 100% undeniable.
Al Shifa is a hospital compound, not a single building. The tunnels exist. The entry shown in the video was adjacent to the hospital compound and ran under the hospital. Weapons were discovered there.
Video exists purporting to show Hamas hurriedly bringing 10/7 participants/victims to the hospital. Some of the people were armed with what looked like AK47s.
And here's a video of a different hospital administrator explaining he's really a Hamas big wig and they use the hospital for military purposes:
So some people might get a chubby over a WaPo report refuting a control and command center. Forest from the trees folks. The evidence of Hamas use of civilian facilities for military purposes is an objectively proven fact.
Data: AP reports, Critical Threats Project of the Institute for the Study of War and AEI. Damage analysis data: Corey Scher of CUNY Graduate Center and Jamon Van Den Hoek of Oregon State University. Map: AP
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20,000 Palestinians dead. A million facing starvation. Is there a line in this war? Has it been crossed? If not, when will it be crossed? Is it a case of no line at all? Your thoughts?
There is no line.
The commonly-understood goal among the Netanyahu/Likud/Zionist far right extremist coalition is genocide and ethnic cleansing.
No other "solutions" are being considered. The plan is genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, period. And the Biden administration is 100% on board with this.
As the genocide continues, the U.S. Neocons and the Israel's Likud/Zionist extremists will find themselves isolated -- even from their own "rules-based international order". [This is a term used by U.S. Neocons to assert a unipolar regime, where the U.S. Neocons make & enforce the rules that suit them, and ignore & dismiss the Geneva Conventions, the U.N. and the International Criminal Court.]
Netanyahu & his fellow extremists, and the U.S. Neocons, have always wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. By continuing the genocide, Netanyahu is provoking Israel's neighbors to attack -- because Israel & the U.S. are actively ignoring any & all calls to stop the genocide. Even near-unanimous UN resolutions calling for a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza are dismissed and ignored -- or even worse, labeled as "anti-Semitic."
This is reinforcing the notion among the world's nations that for the U.S. & Israel, "military force is all that they understand."
About 20% of Israeli population is Arab/Palestinian. Arab/Palestinians hold seats in the Knesset and have done so virtually continuously since 1949. There are multiple Arab/Palestinian political parties. Their population has grown from @150K in 1948 to @2.1M today.
As of the early 2000's Arab / Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have a life expectancy of > 70 years and population growth rates are among the highest in the world. The Arab/Palestinian population in the West Banks was @650K in 1948; it is @2,250,000 today. In Gaza the population for the same year went from @70K to @2,375,000. Even accounting for the @575K and 825K refugees in each area, there has been substantial population growth.
The only ethnicity that has been cleansed from Gaza is Jews, who were forcibly removed by their own military in 2005. There are 0 Jews living in Gaza. Zero.
With this record Israel is the worst country ever at having an Apartheid state and performing genocide.
Gaza hasn't been "cleansed" of Jews.
Ariel Sharon evacuated 21 Israeli settlements from within Gaza so that Israel could implement its blockade, & control everything that goes in & out.
You'd have to wonder why any Jew would choose to live in a concentration camp under hostile occupation, where people are routinely murdered by IDF snipers to keep the population down.
Of course, few, if any Jews choose to live in the Gaza hellscape. The people who live there do so because they've been driven from their ancestral homeland by force, and have no other place to go. Why would any Jew choose to live in Gaza when they could live in Israel, and have full rights of citizenship?
Are you trying to make the case that Palestinians in Gaza have committed "ethnic cleansing" of the Jewish population there? If so, let's see the evidence.
Recent IDF videos show terrorists bringing hostages into Al Shifa hospital, weapons stored inside Al Shifa, weapons/explosives at a children's hospital, tunnels adjacent to / at assorted hospitals, mortar bombs in / adjacent to a kindergarten class, mortar bombs stored by a terrorist under his daughter's bed, a cache of mortars inside a daycare, etc.
I know, I know. Propaganda. (But keep asking why "civilian" sites are bombed)
The IDF and the extremists in Israel lie & embellish, routinely, and constantly.
Their claims of a Hamas "command & control center" were embarrassingly debunked by a CNN video crew.
The IDF guy saw a calendar on the wall & said it was a Hamas watch schedule. CNN failed to check with any Arabic speakers, who would've cut that video completely, since it was simply a blank calendar page with the days of the week on it!
The biggest lie, however, is that the IDF is "doing everything it can to minimize civilian casualties." This is B.S.
The 10/7 attack by Hamas is the excuse that Netanyahu and the Likud/Zionists are using to do the genocide and ethnic cleansing they've been wanting to do for years.
And yes -- it IS a genocide.
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It is not that people are worried that a claim of genocide will not be successful at the International Court of Justice. It is that everybody is quite sure it will succeed.
A genocide is the worst of crimes. Just how appalling this one is has been shown to the world like never before, through the power of social media.
But to the global 1 percent whose interests rule the world, no number of dead Palestinians makes any real difference to their interests. On the other hand, the ramifications for the international system of wealth concentration, if western political elites start to be held accountable for their crimes, are uncertain and therefore carry more risk.
This is particularly the concern of ruling classes of both Western and Arab states.
It may sound astonishing, but to the world's diplomats the enormity of a genocide appears less troubling than the enormity of doing something about it.
"The 10/7 attack by Hamas is the excuse that Netanyahu and the Likud/Zionists are using to do the genocide and ethnic cleansing they've been wanting to do for years."
9/11 was the pretext Dubya's neocon handlers were looking for to invade Iraq and establish a Pax Americana in the Middle East. Oops!
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
They didn't have to give her any medical care at all. In fact, if you read her account she was actually treated fine. She was scared about what they MIGHT do but no one actually harmed her and then they released her. Barbarians.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
This is the result.
Who is Cheryl Benson? A look at her X page seems to indicate she's an anti-Israel activist. Does she have some other expertise that gives her reports credence or is she just some hack that sits in her basement scouring social media for posts she can regurgitate to advance her partisan point of view?
Did the French surgeon treat Shem? Given that it's in French I don't know but the X video appears to show the surgeon watching a video of Shem when she was in captivity and making his determination based on his view of her injury during that video. If that is the case - is that's how he "looked into it" - this is absurd. The article I linked says Shemsays she was operated on by a veterinarian. 1st person account > 3rd person report of a doctor assessing a video.
Shem was shot and taken hostage 10/7. She was shown on video by Hamas 9 days later, meaning they likely operated about a week after shooting her. Israel attacked Gaza starting Oct 27. Of course anesthesia was available. Withholding anesthesia is a cruelty that is indefensible.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
This is the result.
Who is Cheryl Benson? A look at her X page seems to indicate she's an anti-Israel activist. Does she have some other expertise that gives her reports credence or is she just some hack that sits in her basement scouring social media for posts she can regurgitate to advance her partisan point of view?
Did the French surgeon treat Shem? Given that it's in French I don't know but the X video appears to show the surgeon watching a video of Shem when she was in captivity and making his determination based on his view of her injury during that video. If that is the case - is that's how he "looked into it" - this is absurd. The article I linked says Shemsays she was operated on by a veterinarian. 1st person account > 3rd person report of a doctor assessing a video.
Shem was shot and taken hostage 10/7. She was shown on video by Hamas 9 days later, meaning they likely operated about a week after shooting her. Israel attacked Gaza starting Oct 27. Of course anesthesia was available. Withholding anesthesia is a cruelty that is indefensible.
Maybe take that up with Israel, who withheld medical aid for almost 2 weeks.
"We were forced to operate on the ground and without anaesthesia, or using simple anaesthesia or weak pain killers to save lives," he said.
Procedures that have been performed by staff at Al Shifa under such circumstances have included amputating limbs and fingers, stitching up serious wounds, and treating serious burns, said Abu Selmeyah, without elaborating.
"It is painful for the medical team. It is not simple. It is either the patient suffers pain or loses his life," he said.
At Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, in the south of the Gaza Strip, director Dr Mohammad Zaqout said there had been a period early on in the war when anaesthetic supplies ran out completely, until aid trucks were allowed in.
"Some procedures were carried out without anaesthesia, including Caesarian sections on women, and we were also forced to operate on some burns that way too," said Zaqout.
He said that staff did their best to alleviate patients' pain with other, weaker medications, but this was inadequate. "This is not the ideal solution for a patient inside an operating theatre, who we want to operate on with full anaesthesia," he said.
For the first 12 days of the war, no aid was allowed into Gaza. On Oct. 21, a first convoy of aid trucks came in through the Rafah Crossing on the strip's border with Egypt. Since then, several convoys have entered, but the United Nations and international aid groups say the aid provided is nowhere near the scale needed to mitigate a humanitarian catastrophe.
Zaqout added that while the shortage of anaesthesia had been eased at his own hospital thanks to aid deliveries, there were still severe shortages at Al Shifa and at the Indonesian Hospital, both of which are in the heavily bombarded north of the strip.
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
This is the result
They didn't have to give her any medical care at all. In fact, if you read her account she was actually treated fine. She was scared about what they MIGHT do but no one actually harmed her and then they released her. Barbarians.
Here is her account:
"There was an operation room. No anesthesia, no nothing. I was choking on my own tears. Then he looked at me and said, 'Enough, or I'll send you down to the tunnel,'" Shem recalled in the Channel 12 interview.
Yes, being treated by a vet in a tunnel without anesthesia then being threatened for crying sounds like "she was treated fine"
You mean no one actually harmed her aside from shooting and kidnapping her then operating on her without anesthesia.
They released her some 2 weeks later as part of a prisoner exchange. Your characterization that she was released like a recovering post op patient is disgusting.
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
This is the result
They didn't have to give her any medical care at all. In fact, if you read her account she was actually treated fine. She was scared about what they MIGHT do but no one actually harmed her and then they released her. Barbarians.
Here is her account:
"There was an operation room. No anesthesia, no nothing. I was choking on my own tears. Then he looked at me and said, 'Enough, or I'll send you down to the tunnel,'" Shem recalled in the Channel 12 interview.
Yes, being treated by a vet in a tunnel without anesthesia then being threatened for crying sounds like "she was treated fine"
You mean no one actually harmed her aside from shooting and kidnapping her then operating on her without anesthesia.
They released her some 2 weeks later as part of a prisoner exchange. Your characterization that she was released like a recovering post op patient is disgusting.
Hamas is literally the definition of barbarians.
The people who killed a bunch of innocents, shot her, and abducted her are disgusting.
However, in terms of what happened after that she was treated humanely. Maybe not given a royal welcome, but they didn't harm her. They gave her medical treatment. They fed her. They didn't beat her, torture her, or rape her.
See her whole interview here:
🚨 Important - Mia Shem’s full interview to @channel13il.
They held her for three days in hiding before taking her to a hospital.
In her own words:
"They sedate me and suddenly I wake up after surgery."
The day after surgery is when they shot the video of her. She says in the video that it was a "doctor that was dressing my arm."
This is not "being operated on by a veterinarian with no anesthesia."
She said that if she cried (in captivity) they would threaten to send her into the tunnels. It had nothing to do with the surgery.
This story about being operated on by a vet with no anesthetic. Where does that come from? Her aunt supposedly said that, but she hasn't.
Here is another interview with her:
In it she says she was taken to a hospital and a surgeon operated on her in an OR. She says she was not given painkillers, which contradicts her other interview (above). Perhaps she meant AFTER the surgery.
Her story is also full of contradictions.
No food, but she cooked for her captors.
No light of day for 54 days, but she stuck her fingers out of the bathroom window hoping to be recognized.
She says she slept one hour per day, because her captor was constantly staring at her, but we know that can't be true because he was the only one guarding her and he had to have slept himself.
She has been traumatized and so maybe her story is a little confused.
However, ask yourself:
Why someone is lying to you about what happened to her and why are you so eager to believe those lies?
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
This is the result
They didn't have to give her any medical care at all. In fact, if you read her account she was actually treated fine. She was scared about what they MIGHT do but no one actually harmed her and then they released her. Barbarians.
Here is her account:
"There was an operation room. No anesthesia, no nothing. I was choking on my own tears. Then he looked at me and said, 'Enough, or I'll send you down to the tunnel,'" Shem recalled in the Channel 12 interview.
Yes, being treated by a vet in a tunnel without anesthesia then being threatened for crying sounds like "she was treated fine"
You mean no one actually harmed her aside from shooting and kidnapping her then operating on her without anesthesia.
They released her some 2 weeks later as part of a prisoner exchange. Your characterization that she was released like a recovering post op patient is disgusting.
Hamas is literally the definition of barbarians.
The people who killed a bunch of innocents, shot her, and abducted her are disgusting.
However, in terms of what happened after that she was treated humanely. Maybe not given a royal welcome, but they didn't harm her. They gave her medical treatment. They fed her. They didn't beat her, torture her, or rape her.
See her whole interview here:
🚨 Important - Mia Shem’s full interview to @channel13il.
They held her for three days in hiding before taking her to a hospital.
In her own words:
"They sedate me and suddenly I wake up after surgery."
The day after surgery is when they shot the video of her. She says in the video that it was a "doctor that was dressing my arm."
This is not "being operated on by a veterinarian with no anesthesia."
She said that if she cried (in captivity) they would threaten to send her into the tunnels. It had nothing to do with the surgery.
This story about being operated on by a vet with no anesthetic. Where does that come from? Her aunt supposedly said that, but she hasn't.
Here is another interview with her:
In it she says she was taken to a hospital and a surgeon operated on her in an OR. She says she was not given painkillers, which contradicts her other interview (above). Perhaps she meant AFTER the surgery.
Her story is also full of contradictions.
No food, but she cooked for her captors.
No light of day for 54 days, but she stuck her fingers out of the bathroom window hoping to be recognized.
She says she slept one hour per day, because her captor was constantly starting at her, but we know that can't be true because he was the only one guarding her and he had to have slept himself.
She has been traumatized and so maybe her story is a little confused.
However, ask yourself:
Why someone is lying to you about what happened to her and why are you so eager to believe those lies?
These images, the Hamas sympathizers insisted, were proof that the hostages had been treated decently and liked their Hamas guards. One user on X (formerly Twitter) wrote, "[Hostages] were having the time of their lives"; another one commented on how "they were treated well." I find this very difficult to believe, especially since there have been instances where the hostages have taken the risk to attempt an escape from their captors only to be tragically killed by the Israel Defense Forces by mistake. Furthermore, harrowing details shared by relatives of released hostages speak to beatings, hunger and lack of proper medical care.
As a former hostage of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of Iran (IRGC), I was distraught to see the misleading viral narratives disseminated about the Israeli hostages on social media. Iran is the country that set the blueprint for rogue hostage-taking when Islamist students held more than 50 US Embassy staff hostage following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, and unsurprisingly it is now funding Hamas.
It is true that hostage takers have good reason to keep their prisoners alive they can extract a higher price for their release. While it is dangerous to idealize Hamas' actions as humane, the fact that the hostages' value lies in their well-being does mean their external conditions can appear relatively adequate. But even if there aren't explicit signs of physical abuse, the psychological repercussions of terror and shock can take years for hostages to overcome. Leading psychiatrists have remarked on the necessity of extensive treatment for the trauma experienced by the hostages released from captivity in Gaza.
But it is wildly problematic to read any meaning into one orchestrated moment of release when hostages were still under Hamas control. In these politically precarious times, our social media landscapes have transformed into virtual war zones. It's imperative to acknowledge that every hostage release serves as a carefully curated photo opportunity for Hamas, and for us to understand what the accurate experience of hostages in these circumstances is...
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Not true, according to the evaluation of a French surgeon who has looked into it.
🚨🗣️ 𝗔𝗟𝗘𝗥𝗧𝗘 : According to Christophe Oberlin, eminent French surgeon, Mia Shem, the Franco-Israeli hostage recently released by Hamas benefited from the most recent surgical techniques, and that he recognized the signature of a high-level surgeon .
As well, most Gaza hospitals (or what's left standing right now) have been without anesthesics for weeks now. Israel having seized medical aid including anesthesics at the Egyptian border.
This is the result
They didn't have to give her any medical care at all. In fact, if you read her account she was actually treated fine. She was scared about what they MIGHT do but no one actually harmed her and then they released her. Barbarians.
Here is her account:
"There was an operation room. No anesthesia, no nothing. I was choking on my own tears. Then he looked at me and said, 'Enough, or I'll send you down to the tunnel,'" Shem recalled in the Channel 12 interview.
Yes, being treated by a vet in a tunnel without anesthesia then being threatened for crying sounds like "she was treated fine"
You mean no one actually harmed her aside from shooting and kidnapping her then operating on her without anesthesia.
They released her some 2 weeks later as part of a prisoner exchange. Your characterization that she was released like a recovering post op patient is disgusting.
Hamas is literally the definition of barbarians.
The people who killed a bunch of innocents, shot her, and abducted her are disgusting.
However, in terms of what happened after that she was treated humanely. Maybe not given a royal welcome, but they didn't harm her. They gave her medical treatment. They fed her. They didn't beat her, torture her, or rape her.
See her whole interview here:
🚨 Important - Mia Shem’s full interview to @channel13il.
They held her for three days in hiding before taking her to a hospital.
In her own words:
"They sedate me and suddenly I wake up after surgery."
The day after surgery is when they shot the video of her. She says in the video that it was a "doctor that was dressing my arm."
This is not "being operated on by a veterinarian with no anesthesia."
She said that if she cried (in captivity) they would threaten to send her into the tunnels. It had nothing to do with the surgery.
This story about being operated on by a vet with no anesthetic. Where does that come from? Her aunt supposedly said that, but she hasn't.
Here is another interview with her:
In it she says she was taken to a hospital and a surgeon operated on her in an OR. She says she was not given painkillers, which contradicts her other interview (above). Perhaps she meant AFTER the surgery.
Her story is also full of contradictions.
No food, but she cooked for her captors.
No light of day for 54 days, but she stuck her fingers out of the bathroom window hoping to be recognized.
She says she slept one hour per day, because her captor was constantly starting at her, but we know that can't be true because he was the only one guarding her and he had to have slept himself.
She has been traumatized and so maybe her story is a little confused.
However, ask yourself:
Why someone is lying to you about what happened to her and why are you so eager to believe those lies?
These images, the Hamas sympathizers insisted, were proof that the hostages had been treated decently and liked their Hamas guards. One user on X (formerly Twitter) wrote, "[Hostages] were having the time of their lives"; another one commented on how "they were treated well." I find this very difficult to believe, especially since there have been instances where the hostages have taken the risk to attempt an escape from their captors only to be tragically killed by the Israel Defense Forces by mistake. Furthermore, harrowing details shared by relatives of released hostages speak to beatings, hunger and lack of proper medical care.
As a former hostage of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of Iran (IRGC), I was distraught to see the misleading viral narratives disseminated about the Israeli hostages on social media. Iran is the country that set the blueprint for rogue hostage-taking when Islamist students held more than 50 US Embassy staff hostage following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, and unsurprisingly it is now funding Hamas.
It is true that hostage takers have good reason to keep their prisoners alive they can extract a higher price for their release. While it is dangerous to idealize Hamas' actions as humane, the fact that the hostages' value lies in their well-being does mean their external conditions can appear relatively adequate. But even if there aren't explicit signs of physical abuse, the psychological repercussions of terror and shock can take years for hostages to overcome. Leading psychiatrists have remarked on the necessity of extensive treatment for the trauma experienced by the hostages released from captivity in Gaza.
But it is wildly problematic to read any meaning into one orchestrated moment of release when hostages were still under Hamas control. In these politically precarious times, our social media landscapes have transformed into virtual war zones. It's imperative to acknowledge that every hostage release serves as a carefully curated photo opportunity for Hamas, and for us to understand what the accurate experience of hostages in these circumstances is...
If you want to know her experience listen to her interviews. We don't have to guess.
Her aunt supposedly said that she was operated on by a vet without anesthetic. That seems to be a lie. Why lie about that? Even if it was true, that is all that Hamas can provide at this point. She even mentions that the IDF totally destroyed one of the houses she was kept in. Were they supposed to be feeding her caviar and champagne in those conditions?
Israel loves her story because she can claim:
1. Women and children were mean to her and also deserve to die.
2. Hamas men don't love their wives.
3. Hamas women are jealous of Israeli women.
4. Israeli women are better cooks than Hamas women
5. Everyone wanted to rape her even though in 54 days no one laid a finger on her.
I am sure her experience was horrible. I am not saying it was pleasant. She probably thought every minute of every day that she would be killed.
However, why does Israeli propaganda need to lie about her medical care and why do all the pro-Israeli news sources just run with those lies when they are easy to verify? It is a small point but if they lie about that what else are they lying about?
Israeli hostage operated on by a veterinarian and without anesthesia.
Same hostage was housed at a Palestinian civilian's house. Either Hamas is so willing to put Palestinians at risk that they force civilians to act on their behalf (presumably by threat of force) or some segment of the population is no better than Hamas.
Some educational reading for those who are easily susceptible to Israeli propaganda. We may have to send you to the re-education camps that President Bo Duke will be setting up in January 2025 as well.
What a democracy, that Israel!
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