The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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MinotStateBeav
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bearister said:


Antifa was active there too buddy. There are videos of them that are floating around dressing up in maga gear before the J6 thing started. and no, I'm not going to bother trying to find them.
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MinotStateBeav said:

bearister said:


Antifa was active there too buddy. There are videos of them that are floating around dressing up in maga gear before the J6 thing started. and no, I'm not going to bother trying to find them.


Antifa is under your mattress right now.

Have a good night.
Cal88
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MinotStateBeav said:

oski003 said:

tequila4kapp said:

going4roses said:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Du8MLF/

She is an attorney in DC … but she had question about what is going on here in relation to the Middle East issue ?
If her assertion that Palestinian Americans are not getting the same protections and services as Israeli Americans is correct, that is a problem.


There was a free gaza protest near me. The police let the protestors take over a busy street for hours while the "protestors" spray painted street signs, the road, and sidewalks, vandalized the aerospace company it was outside of, littered, and even dumped a bunch of rocks onto the street from the back of a pickup truck. They spray painted free gaza and acab everywhere.
Many of these "protests" are really trying to stir up revolution more than protesting a cause. That's why you see many times antifa is so active in them. That's why I have issues with Greenwald and Mate's reporting about them sometimes because they see them as purely massive "Free Palestine" protests but are in fact used as cover for antifa to do other nefarious things. What was that comedic line .."We've got some serious clingers going on here.."

I agree with Bearister's point above, there are some fringe elements in these and many other protests, on both sides of the political spectrum, that tend to be over-mediatized.
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MinotStateBeav said:

bearister said:


Antifa was active there too buddy. There are videos of them that are floating around dressing up in maga gear before the J6 thing started. and no, I'm not going to bother trying to find them.


I'm sure all your brothers serving time in a USP take great solace in that.
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going4roses
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Genocide Joe ?
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
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going4roses said:

Genocide Joe ?
Yeah, Yogi's cosplaying as Hitler today. Feel the outrage he's generating. Just the thought of it makes Yogi all moist.
MinotStateBeav
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dajo9 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

bearister said:


Antifa was active there too buddy. There are videos of them that are floating around dressing up in maga gear before the J6 thing started. and no, I'm not going to bother trying to find them.


Men are under my sheets right now.

Have a good night.

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oski003 said:

going4roses said:

And …


The folks protesting in the USA for the people of Gaza seemed to be degenerates and criminals and opportunists as opposed to people that actually care about the pain and suffering the Palestinians are facing because of their Hamas leadership. Bring back MLK and Ghandi.


Yes, let's bring back MLK and Ghandi! I wonder what they would say? Oh wait, we don't have to wonder, we can read their quotes directly!

Ghandi:

"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, or France to the French," Mahatma Gandhi wrote in Harijan on November 26, 1938.

"It is wrong and inhumane to impose the Jews on the Arabs … it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home,"

A religious act [the act of Jews returning to Palestine] cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb," he wrote. Gandhi felt that the Jews can settle in Palestine only "with the goodwill of Arabs", and for that they had to "forgo the British bayonet".

If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled?" Gandhi wrote, adding that the Jewish claim for a national home afforded "a colourable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews".

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-history/gandhi-opposed-jewish-nation-state-palestine-8975964/

Martin Luther King Jr., who was planning a trip to Israel, and publicly supported Israel as a democracy, but whose trip had to be cancelled due to the 1967 War, which dramatically changed the Israeli-Palestinian relationship.

"I think for the ultimate peace and security of the situation it will probably be necessary for Israel to give up this conquered territory because to hold on to it will only exacerbate the tensions and deepen the bitterness of the Arabs."

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/martin-luther-king-jr-mlk-israel-palestine-1967-video/
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Is Antifa in the room with you right now?
going4roses
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For those that want truth and context about
Dr King and the Palestine / Israel long standing bloodshed

Here
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8DgEvVb/

Just a thought if you are counterproductive to everything Dr King died for DO NOT MENTION HIS NAME.
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going4roses said:

For those that want truth and context about
Dr King and the Palestine / Israel long standing bloodshed

Here
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8DgEvVb/

Just a thought if you are counterproductive to everything Dr King died for DO NOT MENTION HIS NAME.


Dr. King would not approve of Hamas' brutal attack on Israeli civilians.

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/10/12/hamass-attack-was-the-bloodiest-in-israels-history
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KPG said:

oski003 said:

going4roses said:

And …


The folks protesting in the USA for the people of Gaza seemed to be degenerates and criminals and opportunists as opposed to people that actually care about the pain and suffering the Palestinians are facing because of their Hamas leadership. Bring back MLK and Ghandi.


Yes, let's bring back MLK and Ghandi! I wonder what they would say? Oh wait, we don't have to wonder, we can read their quotes directly!

Ghandi:

"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, or France to the French," Mahatma Gandhi wrote in Harijan on November 26, 1938.

"It is wrong and inhumane to impose the Jews on the Arabs … it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home,"

A religious act [the act of Jews returning to Palestine] cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb," he wrote. Gandhi felt that the Jews can settle in Palestine only "with the goodwill of Arabs", and for that they had to "forgo the British bayonet".

If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled?" Gandhi wrote, adding that the Jewish claim for a national home afforded "a colourable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews".

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-history/gandhi-opposed-jewish-nation-state-palestine-8975964/

Martin Luther King Jr., who was planning a trip to Israel, and publicly supported Israel as a democracy, but whose trip had to be cancelled due to the 1967 War, which dramatically changed the Israeli-Palestinian relationship.

"I think for the ultimate peace and security of the situation it will probably be necessary for Israel to give up this conquered territory because to hold on to it will only exacerbate the tensions and deepen the bitterness of the Arabs."

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/martin-luther-king-jr-mlk-israel-palestine-1967-video/
It didn't ready this way to me in your post but per the video shared a few posts later it becomes clear that MLK is referring to the lands gained in the 6 day war. Of note, Israel has actually given up that land (or has tried) in exchange for peace - Sinai to Egypt, Gaza to PA (and w/drawal), west bank / Oslo Accords, Lebanon per UN brokered cease fire (which Hezbollah then broke by refusing to disarm). Golan Heights is the exception, I believe.

Gandi's statements make for interesting historical/social sciences discussion. He had obvious reasons to be biased against Britain / colonialism. As has been discussed in this thread, Britain had a special role in the middle east, and its problems. 1938 was a point in time, just after Britain's Peel resolution for a 2 state solution. One can't help but wonder how Gandi's view would evolve with the removal of Britain from the equation and the influx of terrorist violence by Arabs.
Cal88
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tequila4kapp said:

KPG said:

oski003 said:

going4roses said:

And …


The folks protesting in the USA for the people of Gaza seemed to be degenerates and criminals and opportunists as opposed to people that actually care about the pain and suffering the Palestinians are facing because of their Hamas leadership. Bring back MLK and Ghandi.


Yes, let's bring back MLK and Ghandi! I wonder what they would say? Oh wait, we don't have to wonder, we can read their quotes directly!

Ghandi:

"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, or France to the French," Mahatma Gandhi wrote in Harijan on November 26, 1938.

"It is wrong and inhumane to impose the Jews on the Arabs … it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home,"

A religious act [the act of Jews returning to Palestine] cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb," he wrote. Gandhi felt that the Jews can settle in Palestine only "with the goodwill of Arabs", and for that they had to "forgo the British bayonet".

If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled?" Gandhi wrote, adding that the Jewish claim for a national home afforded "a colourable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews".

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-history/gandhi-opposed-jewish-nation-state-palestine-8975964/

Martin Luther King Jr., who was planning a trip to Israel, and publicly supported Israel as a democracy, but whose trip had to be cancelled due to the 1967 War, which dramatically changed the Israeli-Palestinian relationship.

"I think for the ultimate peace and security of the situation it will probably be necessary for Israel to give up this conquered territory because to hold on to it will only exacerbate the tensions and deepen the bitterness of the Arabs."

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/martin-luther-king-jr-mlk-israel-palestine-1967-video/
It didn't ready this way to me in your post but per the video shared a few posts later it becomes clear that MLK is referring to the lands gained in the 6 day war. Of note, Israel has actually given up that land (or has tried) in exchange for peace - Sinai to Egypt, Gaza to PA (and w/drawal), west bank / Oslo Accords, Lebanon per UN brokered cease fire (which Hezbollah then broke by refusing to disarm). Golan Heights is the exception, I believe.

Gandi's statements make for interesting historical/social sciences discussion. He had obvious reasons to be biased against Britain / colonialism. As has been discussed in this thread, Britain had a special role in the middle east, and its problems. 1938 was a point in time, just after Britain's Peel resolution for a 2 state solution. One can't help but wonder how Gandi's view would evolve with the removal of Britain from the equation and the influx of terrorist violence by Arabs.

The terrorist violence in the region in Ghandi's time was carried over by the Israelis, with terror groups like Irgun and the Stern gang, who blew up hotels and massacred Palestinian civilians in mass terror campaigns led by future Israeli prime ministers like Menachem Begin and Itzak Shamir.
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I just want to say that my OCD is being triggered by the fact that everyone keeps misspelling Gandhi's name.
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I see a lot of tit for tat and enjoy how Yogi takes both sides of issues to rattle the cages here.


Israel is gonna do whatever it takes to fight Hamas wherever they are. You guys can argue all you want about military ethics, as they seem rather pliable and candidly, the US world do whatever it takes if they were attacked. The real question is what Israel will do afterwards. Did the Biden administration miscalculate thinking Israel would accept a more robust PLO to govern in order to stabilize the Gaza region?
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wifeisafurd said:

I see a lot of tit for tat and enjoy how Yogi takes both sides of issues to rattle the cages here.


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CaliforniaEternal said:

It's not that difficult to understand people. If Hamas hadn't launched their murderous rampage on Oct 7th, there would be no war. When a terrorist group goes nuclear, there is no alternative but to remove them from control of a territory they use to stage attacks. No country on earth would tolerate the kind of savagery committed on that day.

And if you're having trouble figuring out why civilians in Gaza are dying, then you are blind to the fact that Hamas wants them to die. They put their rocket launchers in hospitals and schools to not only cause damage to Israel but to get as many civilians killed as possible. That's their entire strategy.
1. You cannot have a war when one side does not have a military and has no sovreignty.
2. Were you born on 10/7? Because you are either intellionally being disengenious or you are an idiot. Israel has been illegally settling in Palestine and ethically cleansing Palestinians for 75+ years.
3. Literally no. You are being fed Israeli propganda and swallowing it whole.
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Really, you can't have a war with a fanatical terrorist group that launches rockets at Israeli communities (including Arab ones), has RPGs, grenades, and thousands of firearms? Oh yes you can! You should buy yourself a one way ticket to Gaza and see how long you last with your Hamas friends.
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tequila4kapp said:

Did you guys open the link? Video of soldiers delivering fuel. Reference to audio between the IDF and a hospital admin and audio between hospital and Hamas. I get that you guys hate Israel (and Jews?), but jeez.

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Yeah, it's just about colonization, zionism, the land

https://www.thefp.com/p/ayaan-hirsi-ali-why-i-am-now-christian-atheism
One of the biggest stories of the past few days didn't happen in Washington or Gaza or Tehran, but was an invisible change that happened inside the heart and mind of one woman: Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Ayaan is many things: she is a refugee from Somalia, where she was the victim of female genital mutilation; she was a Dutch politician whose criticism of Islam, the religion she was raised in, led to death threats.

Theo van Gogh, her collaborator on Submission, a film about Islam, was murdered in the streets of Amsterdam. The killer left a note stabbed into his body warning that Ayaan would be next.
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"I was a teenager when the Muslim Brotherhood penetrated my community in Nairobi, Kenya, in 1985. I don't think I had even understood religious practice before the coming of the Brotherhood. I had endured the rituals of ablutions, prayers, and fasting as tedious and pointless.
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The most striking quality of the Muslim Brotherhood was their ability to transform me and my fellow teenagers from passive believers into activists, almost overnight. We didn't just say things or pray for things: we did things.
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For instance, what should we do about the friends we loved and felt loyal to but who refused to accept our dawa (invitation to the faith)? In response, we were reminded repeatedly about the clarity of the Prophet's instructions. We were told in no uncertain terms that we could not be loyal to Allah and Muhammad while also maintaining friendships and loyalty toward the unbelievers. If they explicitly rejected our summons to Islam, we were to hate and curse them.

Here, a special hatred was reserved for one subset of unbeliever: the Jew. We cursed the Jews multiple times a day and expressed horror, disgust, and anger at the litany of offenses he had allegedly committed. The Jew had betrayed our Prophet. He had occupied the Holy Mosque in Jerusalem. He continued to spread corruption of the heart, mind, and soul."


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Current kill ratio: 12 to 1
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Genocide Joe said:





Is Grand Moff a title? Is Moff a title? Like a Petty Moff? Were there other Moffs in the Star Wars universe? Or did the Tarkins name him Grand Moff?
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Don't know how accurate this poll is, but it seems to indicate that support for Hamas within Gaza and the West Bank is far more prevalent that previously assumed.

There are lots of tweets about it, but this one seems to have a good summary.



More info:


There is a lot more in the poll itself. More than 80% of those surveyed support Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa and Al Qazzam Bridages, with less than 5% supporting Saudi Arabia, UK, UAE or US. That level of support for Islamic terrorist organizations is almost as high as it is on US college campuses.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Don't know how accurate this poll is, but it seems to indicate that support for Hamas within Gaza and the West Bank is far more prevalent that previously assumed.

There are lots of tweets about it, but this one seems to have a good summary.



More info:


There is a lot more in the poll itself. More than 80% of those surveyed support Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa and Al Qazzam Bridages, with less than 5% supporting Saudi Arabia, UK, UAE or US. That level of support for Islamic terrorist organizations is almost as high as it is on US college campuses.



What's Israel going to do about it? Kill them all?

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Unit2Sucks said:

Don't know how accurate this poll is, but it seems to indicate that support for Hamas within Gaza and the West Bank is far more prevalent that previously assumed.

There are lots of tweets about it, but this one seems to have a good summary.



More info:


There is a lot more in the poll itself. More than 80% of those surveyed support Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa and Al Qazzam Bridages, with less than 5% supporting Saudi Arabia, UK, UAE or US. That level of support for Islamic terrorist organizations is almost as high as it is on US college campuses.


I'm not shocked by this, but it's also hard to see how there would be another result given the current situation (war, displacement, years of oppression).
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Agree. There are plenty of stories to the effect that actions by Palestinian civilians (that are consistent with this survey) during Hamas' attack have substantially changed / impacted Israeli views of the war, Gaza, etc. Combined, this is not good news.
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Genocide Joe said:

tequila4kapp said:

Did you guys open the link? Video of soldiers delivering fuel. Reference to audio between the IDF and a hospital admin and audio between hospital and Hamas. I get that you guys hate Israel (and Jews?), but jeez.



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oski003
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Cal88 said:




How does this happen? Granted this is an old story but how does this happen???

https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palestinians-fired-rockets-unrwa-schools/
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:




How does this happen? Granted this is an old story but how does this happen???

https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palestinians-fired-rockets-unrwa-schools/

Israel has already bombed several sites that did not have any Hamas presence or activity, such as the bombing of the 3rd oldest church in the world in south Gaza, which was sheltering hundreds of refugees.



They're basically motivated by impulsive revanche and bloodlust, that much has been made very clear by the many statements from Israeli officials.

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Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:




How does this happen? Granted this is an old story but how does this happen???

https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palestinians-fired-rockets-unrwa-schools/

Israel has already bombed several sites that did not have any Hamas presence or activity, such as the bombing of the 3rd oldest church in the world in south Gaza, which was sheltering hundreds of refugees.



They're basically motivated by impulsive revanche and bloodlust, that much has been made very clear by the many statements from Israeli officials.




That does nothing to explain how and why Hamas attacks Israel from UN sponsored schools.
Cal88
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:




How does this happen? Granted this is an old story but how does this happen???

https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palestinians-fired-rockets-unrwa-schools/

Israel has already bombed several sites that did not have any Hamas presence or activity, such as the bombing of the 3rd oldest church in the world in south Gaza, which was sheltering hundreds of refugees.



They're basically motivated by impulsive revanche and bloodlust, that much has been made very clear by the many statements from Israeli officials.


That does nothing to explain how and why Hamas attacks Israel from UN sponsored schools.

That explanation of how and why Hamas attacks Israel from UN sponsored schools is provided by a pro-Israeli propaganda site.
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Elham Farah, 84, a Catholic, was shot dead yesterday by the Israeli army outside the Holy Family Church in Gaza. She had been sheltering inside the church for some time. On Sunday night she stepped outside the building to see if her house was still standing. She was shot in the leg and fell to the ground. People in the church were unable to rescue her, as each time they went out they came under fire.

During the Gaza protests in 2018-19, more than 10,000 unarmed Palestinians were shot by Israeli snipers with live ammunition.
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Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:




How does this happen? Granted this is an old story but how does this happen???

https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palestinians-fired-rockets-unrwa-schools/

Israel has already bombed several sites that did not have any Hamas presence or activity, such as the bombing of the 3rd oldest church in the world in south Gaza, which was sheltering hundreds of refugees.



They're basically motivated by impulsive revanche and bloodlust, that much has been made very clear by the many statements from Israeli officials.


That does nothing to explain how and why Hamas attacks Israel from UN sponsored schools.

That explanation of how and why Hamas attacks Israel from UN sponsored schools is provided by a pro-Israeli propaganda site.


What is your explanation for how and why Hamas attacks Israel from UN sponsored schools?
 
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