Big C said:
Good to support the nation of Israel. Bad to support their current government and its ill-advised and ultimately counter-productive response to October 7. All those people really need to agree on some sort of two-state solution and quit fighting all the time.
I actually think the Biden Administration has handled this pretty well. What people don't realize (and was not advertised) is that Biden was trying to get Netanyahu to adopt a more measured response, starting way back in early-mid October. (Um, at least I think he was... I hope he was... pretty sure.) But Israel's been too stubborn. They may end up regretting their response.
If Israel were Russia under Putin, the tankies would show up to tell you how wrong you are.
They would tell you that Israel has a little thing called escalatory dominance and that Hamas has no hope to win this war and should have surrendered already. In fact, they would say, Hamas would have surrendered if not for Boris Johnson or Joe Biden. They would also tell you that Palestine doesn't exist and in fact never existed and they would cite some old maps.
Next they would say that we should stop giving any humanitarian aid to Palestine because Hamas ends up stealing it and selling it off so that Hamas's leaders can live like billionaires (because they are billionaires) in Qatar.
They would also remind you that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization whose goal is to destroy Israel and genocide the Jewish people and has been from the very beginning. And obviously they would note that this war was started by Hamas and Palestine, and that Israel is acting in actual self-defense. Israel still faces rockets fired from enemies including Palestine virtually every day, as it had been even before this war started.
They would then mention that Hamas makes up casualty numbers and is running an elaborate propaganda campaign.
Finally, they would tell you that Israel isn't responsible for any civilian deaths because Hamas doesn't wear uniforms or identify itself as military in any way and uses women and children as human shields.
Not all of the things above would be true, but they would all be more true than the analogous arguments the tankies continue to disingenuously make about the Ukraine war. The reason they are not here defending Israel the way they do Russia is because Putin supports Iran and Iran supports the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people.
Both the Ukraine and Hamas wars are humanitarian disasters with far too many victims. They have a lot in common, unfortunately. What they don't have in common is with respect to which party can unilaterally end the war. Israel could stop defending itself against Hamas and Palestine but it would not end the military hostilities because Hamas would still exist and would still continue to attack Israel. If Hamas surrendered, the war would be over. Similarly, if Putin withdrew his troops, the war would literally be over the same day. Ukraine does not pose a threat to Russia, never attacked Russia before the war and would not attack Russia after the war ended.
Yet, because Putin's propaganda is so effective, you have his useful idiots arguing the exact opposite of what common sense would say.
