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8:21p, 4/29/24
The Arctic passage is more of an option because the ice is melting. It's a red herring anyway. Our support of Israel has nothing to do with the Red Sea.
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8:40p, 4/29/24
Agreed.
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In reply to dajo9 • 9:21p, 4/29/24
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

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It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.


Not a critical concern for the U.S.

You should be more concerned about the drought limiting traffic through the Panama Canal but you probably don't want to lift a finger for climate change.

*** does climate change have to do with this? The world needs the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal. And Suez is a very strategic concern for the US. Our tech economy depends on demand from Europe and Asia.

Btw, Israel is a world leader in sustainable agriculture and water management and the US and the rest of the world benefit from that research. Somehow Greta from Sweden and her merry band of pro Hamas jihadists isn't such a big environmentalist when that gets in the way of jihad.
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In reply to oski003 • 9:40p, 4/29/24
oski003 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.


Dajo9 is making a pretty serious allegation against you. Out of curiosity, have you wanted to lift a finger for climate change in the past? Will you want to lift a finger for climate change in the future?

Well, I do like to gawk when riding in my brother in law's cybertruck. Does that count?
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 9:44p, 4/29/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.


Not a critical concern for the U.S.

You should be more concerned about the drought limiting traffic through the Panama Canal but you probably don't want to lift a finger for climate change.

*** does climate change have to do with this?


You don't understand how climate change impacts droughts?
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In reply to dajo9 • 10:24p, 4/29/24
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.


Not a critical concern for the U.S.

You should be more concerned about the drought limiting traffic through the Panama Canal but you probably don't want to lift a finger for climate change.

*** does climate change have to do with this?


You don't understand how climate change impacts droughts?

Habibi, we're talking about the Middle East and somehow you get on a rant about climate change. That's a topic for the OT-OT board.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:39p, 4/29/24
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.

The northern/arctic route is emerging as an alternative for maritime trade between Asia and Europe, it is roughly one third shorter than through the Red Sea.



This being said, what we are seeing now is that it is Israel that is destabilizing the region. The Houthis' main condition for stopping their disruption on Bab-al-Mandab traffic is for Israel to lift its medieval starvation blockade on Gaza.

For our grand-kids, that Northern Sea Route is gonna be one long tropical beach.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:01a, 4/30/24
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.

The northern/arctic route is emerging as an alternative for maritime trade between Asia and Europe, it is roughly one third shorter than through the Red Sea.



This being said, what we are seeing now is that it is Israel that is destabilizing the region. The Houthis' main condition for stopping their disruption on Bab-al-Mandab traffic is for Israel to lift its medieval starvation blockade on Gaza.
This is fantastic. The Houthis engage in piracy and terrorism, in clear violation of international law, and yet you find a way to blame Israel. Israel is apparently forcing the Houthis to become terrorists.

I suppose you think Israel is to blame for the Houthis' human rights violations, abuse of women and children, and war crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement#Alleged_human_rights_violations

This is the same warped thinking that denies the Palestinians any agency. It is always Israel's fault accorrding to you.

It is Iran that is destabilizing the middle east. That is beyond question.



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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 2:12a, 4/30/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.


Not a critical concern for the U.S.

You should be more concerned about the drought limiting traffic through the Panama Canal but you probably don't want to lift a finger for climate change.

*** does climate change have to do with this?


You don't understand how climate change impacts droughts?

Habibi, we're talking about the Middle East and somehow you get on a rant about climate change. That's a topic for the OT-OT board.


Thank you for proving my point that you don't have any concerns about global trade. You don't care about the problems experienced by the Panama Canal or the Red Sea.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 5:54a, 4/30/24
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.

The northern/arctic route is emerging as an alternative for maritime trade between Asia and Europe, it is roughly one third shorter than through the Red Sea.



This being said, what we are seeing now is that it is Israel that is destabilizing the region. The Houthis' main condition for stopping their disruption on Bab-al-Mandab traffic is for Israel to lift its medieval starvation blockade on Gaza.
This is fantastic. The Houthis engage in piracy and terrorism, in clear violation of international law, and yet you find a way to blame Israel. Israel is apparently forcing the Houthis to become terrorists.

I suppose you think Israel is to blame for the Houthis' human rights violations, abuse of women and children, and war crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement#Alleged_human_rights_violations

This is the same warped thinking that denies the Palestinians any agency. It is always Israel's fault accorrding to you.

It is Iran that is destabilizing the middle east. That is beyond question.


It is Israel that has slaughtered 15,000 children the last 6 months, not Iran or the Houthis.
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7:23a, 4/30/24
Now that colleges have begun arresting protesters, it turns out most of them aren't even students.

Only 23 out of 100 arrested at Wash U were students, which is extreme but there are reports that many, if not most of the arrests at UT and Columbia are non-students.



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In reply to dajo9 • 10:53a, 4/30/24
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
dajo9 said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.



Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.

Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.


We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.


Why?

20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.


Not a critical concern for the U.S.

You should be more concerned about the drought limiting traffic through the Panama Canal but you probably don't want to lift a finger for climate change.

*** does climate change have to do with this?


You don't understand how climate change impacts droughts?

Habibi, we're talking about the Middle East and somehow you get on a rant about climate change. That's a topic for the OT-OT board.


Thank you for proving my point that you don't have any concerns about global trade. You don't care about the problems experienced by the Panama Canal or the Red Sea.
Miss Cleo, you must have a very successful mind reading business.
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In reply to Cal88 • 4:18p, 4/30/24
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It is Israel that has slaughtered 15,000 children the last 6 months, not Iran or the Houthis.
Does Iran use children as human shields too?
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9:07p, 4/30/24
Time to clean up this Marxist jihadist cos playing trash. Book em danno, then offer them a one way flight to Gaza.

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In reply to Lets Go Brandon 22 • 10:18p, 4/30/24
The Ghoul said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Time to clean up this Marxist jihadist cos playing trash. Book em danno, then offer them a one way flight to Gaza.

LOL at how Zionists play that victim card. What awful things got done to that guy.

Now let's see how the Biden fascist police state is treating the people who have the right moral stance on this issue.



Great voter outreach, Dumbocrats!





We stand against anti-semitism.
We stand for the Palestinians.
These wonderful protestors.
The need to round up the protestors.

Collectively we are as dumb as f***, aren't we?
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The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:38a, 5/1/24
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The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:52a, 5/1/24
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).
And it seems like this is what was initially happening at Columbia (protesters occupying a small, easily avoidable portion of the campus). Then it got covered in the media like the whole place was overrun. That prompted local authorities to react like it was, which prompted protesters to up the ante and break into buildings to occupy them, which led to the current mess.

And of course, once this happens in one place, our nationalized media will probably prompt protesters in other places to also take things too far.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:28a, 5/1/24
sycasey said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).
And it seems like this is what was initially happening at Columbia (protesters occupying a small, easily avoidable portion of the campus). Then it got covered in the media like the whole place was overrun. That prompted local authorities to react like it was, which prompted protesters to up the ante and break into buildings to occupy them, which led to the current mess.

And of course, once this happens in one place, our nationalized media will probably prompt protesters in other places to also take things too far.

The only people responsible for the mess are the losers setting up illegal encampments and then forcing entry into buildings when their laughable demands are ignored. That's why schools like Florida and Texas that clean up the mess right away have less disruption than schools like Columbia that coddle the nut jobs and later end up with a whole lot more mess.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:42p, 5/1/24
In the U.S., aren't Jewish students being attacked by fellow students and professional agitators in a way that black people aren't? Are Palestinians and pro-Palestinian/Hamas supporters being victimized here in the U.S.?
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In reply to bear2034 • 6:23p, 5/1/24
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In the U.S., aren't Jewish students being attacked by fellow students and professional agitators in a way that black people aren't? Are Palestinians and pro-Palestinian/Hamas supporters being victimized here in the U.S.?

It's the zionist counter-protestors that are being violent in most of these demos, as well as being "crybullies" trying to score PR points by portraying themselves as being victimized and the nerdy valedictorian campers as raging n@zis...

Judge Nap interview (with time stamp):
https://www.youtube.com/live/gp2fMIGyXNw&t=1179





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8:09p, 5/1/24
Meanwhile, the Tentifada is really sacrificing for the cause and totally rational.


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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 9:06p, 5/1/24
The Tentifada! What a show!
The Tentifada! Here we go!
We know you're wishing
That we'd go away!
But the Tentifada's here and it's here to stay!
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In reply to dajo9 • 10:24p, 5/1/24
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.
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In reply to Big C • 10:52p, 5/1/24
Big C said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.


How do you enforce the must show student is after sundown? Are folks at UCLA willingly showing IDs and leaving if not students?
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Meanwhile, the Tentifada is really sacrificing for the cause and totally rational.
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In reply to Big C • 12:02a, 5/2/24
Big C said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.


Is anyone else pleasantly surprised (or even shocked really) that every other school seems to be in the news (for the wrong reasons) except us? This is usually the time we **** the bed.

But look at us. Admin is handling this correctly and more importantly our student protestors are handling this correctly. As Big C astutely stated, go protest all you want, but draw the line at anti semitism, vandalism, violence and segregation. If you want to actually move public opinion, there's a right way and wrong way of doing so. What's happening at UCLA isn't doing anything for the cause.

So hooray for Berkeley. While the rest of the elite universities are embroiled in conflict and controversy, we're just chilling and signing top 5 portal classes.
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In reply to ducky23 • 9:19a, 5/2/24
ducky23 said:
Big C said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.


Is anyone else pleasantly surprised (or even shocked really) that every other school seems to be in the news (for the wrong reasons) except us? This is usually the time we **** the bed.

But look at us. Admin is handling this correctly and more importantly our student protestors are handling this correctly. As Big C astutely stated, go protest all you want, but draw the line at anti semitism, vandalism, violence and segregation. If you want to actually move public opinion, there's a right way and wrong way of doing so. What's happening at UCLA isn't doing anything for the cause.

So hooray for Berkeley. While the rest of the elite universities are embroiled in conflict and controversy, we're just chilling and signing top 5 portal classes.
I wonder if the Berkeley admin has learned some lessons from other protests in recent years.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:24a, 5/2/24
sycasey said:
ducky23 said:
Big C said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.


Is anyone else pleasantly surprised (or even shocked really) that every other school seems to be in the news (for the wrong reasons) except us? This is usually the time we **** the bed.

But look at us. Admin is handling this correctly and more importantly our student protestors are handling this correctly. As Big C astutely stated, go protest all you want, but draw the line at anti semitism, vandalism, violence and segregation. If you want to actually move public opinion, there's a right way and wrong way of doing so. What's happening at UCLA isn't doing anything for the cause.

So hooray for Berkeley. While the rest of the elite universities are embroiled in conflict and controversy, we're just chilling and signing top 5 portal classes.
I wonder if the Berkeley admin has learned some lessons from other protests in recent years.
At a certain point, the left has to stop treating these left wing, pretend "liberals" (don't think they even understand liberalism) yelling hate speech and committing violence / hostile takeover of private property as some participant in free speech. These "brave" social justice warriors courageously hiding behind masks, whining about police brutality as they commit violence, and making racists / antisemitic statements completely empties any moral arguments anyone supporting these idiots may make in the future. Felt the same way about idiots treating rioters as protesters and completely bringing shame to the legitimate protesters participating in free speech. Two things can be wrong. I can be against 1/6th insurrectionists and these criminals.
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In reply to calbear93 • 10:45a, 5/2/24
calbear93 said:
sycasey said:
ducky23 said:
Big C said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.


Is anyone else pleasantly surprised (or even shocked really) that every other school seems to be in the news (for the wrong reasons) except us? This is usually the time we **** the bed.

But look at us. Admin is handling this correctly and more importantly our student protestors are handling this correctly. As Big C astutely stated, go protest all you want, but draw the line at anti semitism, vandalism, violence and segregation. If you want to actually move public opinion, there's a right way and wrong way of doing so. What's happening at UCLA isn't doing anything for the cause.

So hooray for Berkeley. While the rest of the elite universities are embroiled in conflict and controversy, we're just chilling and signing top 5 portal classes.
I wonder if the Berkeley admin has learned some lessons from other protests in recent years.
At a certain point, the left has to stop treating these left wing, pretend "liberals" (don't think they even understand liberalism) yelling hate speech and committing violence / hostile takeover of private property as some participant in free speech. These "brave" social justice warriors courageously hiding behind masks, whining about police brutality as they commit violence, and making racists / antisemitic statements completely empties any moral arguments anyone supporting these idiots may make in the future. Felt the same way about idiots treating rioters as protesters and completely bringing shame to the legitimate protesters participating in free speech. Two things can be wrong. I can be against 1/6th insurrectionists and these criminals.
I think there is a line on what should be encouraged and what shouldn't (Biden himself spoke to this today):

If protests don't involve violence or preventing others from going about their business, that's protected free speech. Once you do that other stuff, it's no longer protected. The behavior at UCLA clearly went over that line IMO. At Cal (at least so far), doesn't seem like it.
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In reply to ducky23 • 12:14p, 5/2/24
ducky23 said:
Big C said:
dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
The history of these Columbia protests has been a long series of overreactions, one after another. In that I include the school, the mayor, the police, the protesters themselves, and the media.
This is true.

I hadn't heard anything in the news about protests at Cal so I googled it and it seems the protesters are there but the admin is basically letting them have their free speech but not really responding. No confrontation means no media. The hotheads on both sides want confrontation so I applaud the Cal admin. I'm sure eventually a hothead on one side or the other will force the issue but for now free speech is happening and nobody seems to be overreacting (for now).

Exactly. One pundit recently cited "Berkeley" as one of the schools doing it right (by not escalating).

The protests are largely well-intentioned. if perhaps a bit ignorant on the historical perspective. Listen to what they have to say and let them have their moment. Draw the line at antisemitism, vandalism and disruption of campus functions. Must show student ID after sundown.


Is anyone else pleasantly surprised (or even shocked really) that every other school seems to be in the news (for the wrong reasons) except us? This is usually the time we **** the bed.

But look at us. Admin is handling this correctly and more importantly our student protestors are handling this correctly. As Big C astutely stated, go protest all you want, but draw the line at anti semitism, vandalism, violence and segregation. If you want to actually move public opinion, there's a right way and wrong way of doing so. What's happening at UCLA isn't doing anything for the cause.

So hooray for Berkeley. While the rest of the elite universities are embroiled in conflict and controversy, we're just chilling and signing top 5 portal classes.

Yes, this isn't Berkeley's first rodeo.

While UC Berkeley hasn't been called before Congress, it is one of six universities nationwide facing an antisemitism probe from the House education committee. It's also under investigation by the U.S. Department of Education's civil rights arm.

In California, state lawmakers have pressed UC Berkeley Chancellor Carol Christ and UC system President Michael V. Drake in private meetings over their responses to antisemitism and issued public statements expressing their dissatisfaction with the university's handling of the issue.

UC Berkeley's campus is in turmoil. It's unlike anything in recent memory. - POLITICO
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