The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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3:08p, 5/22/25
The leftists and jihadists are out celebrating the cold blooded murder of 2 Jews on the streets of DC. All of their fake genocide claims are nothing more than a pretext to persecute and kill people as they see fit.

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7:41p, 5/22/25
The killing of those two people at the Embassy is reprehensible.

It doesn't change my opinion of the Israeli government.
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10:47a, 5/23/25
The sad irony of this kind of terrorism is that they ultimately end up killing off the kinds of Jews who would actually be most sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. I doubt this peace activist favored the war in Gaza.



Kind of similar to Oct 7th . . . the people attending that concert were likely to be the younger, more secular kinds of Israelis who would favor a free state for Palestine.
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3:18p, 5/23/25


Harvard intifada
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1:27p, 5/24/25
Veritas.
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In reply to Proud White American • 8:28p, 5/26/25
Doesn't good polling exempt a nation from the application of the Just War Theory? Asking for a friend.
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In reply to Proud White American • 9:06p, 5/26/25
Angry White Bro said:

Palestinians in Gaza voted for representation whose official policy is the murder of all Jews and wiping Israel of the face of the map. Just maybe Israelis have decided such a people don't make great neighbors.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:56p, 5/26/25
tequila4kapp said:
Angry White Bro said:

Palestinians in Gaza voted for representation whose official policy is the murder of all Jews and wiping Israel of the face of the map. Just maybe Israelis have decided such a people don't make great neighbors.

"Official policy is the murder of all Jews"? Jews have lived as a minority in Palestine for millennia before project Israel, and the modern zionist ideology, founded on the myth of "a land without people for a people without land" is predicated on wiping off the Palestinians and stealing their land. This is exactly what is being done in Gaza, and also in the West Bank.

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In reply to Cal88 • 7:49a, 5/27/25
Cal88 said:


"Official policy is the murder of all Jews"?
YES. From the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, AKA the "Constitution of Hamas":

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

Anti-Semitic Incitement:
'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:
'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:07a, 5/27/25
tequila4kapp said:
Angry White Bro said:

Palestinians in Gaza voted for representation whose official policy is the murder of all Jews and wiping Israel of the face of the map. Just maybe Israelis have decided such a people don't make great neighbors.
That one election from 19 years ago is doing a lot of work for you here.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:15a, 5/27/25
tequila4kapp said:
Cal88 said:


"Official policy is the murder of all Jews"?
YES. From the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, AKA the "Constitution of Hamas":

On the Destruction of Israel:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

Anti-Semitic Incitement:
'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:
'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)

How Hamas took over Gaza:



Despite this, they did make some overtures towards a 2-state solution:



Also -

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In reply to sycasey • 9:16a, 5/27/25
sycasey said:
tequila4kapp said:
Angry White Bro said:

Palestinians in Gaza voted for representation whose official policy is the murder of all Jews and wiping Israel of the face of the map. Just maybe Israelis have decided such a people don't make great neighbors.
That one election from 19 years ago is doing a lot of work for you here.
And yet it is true. Gaza has been governed for nearly 2 decades by an entity fully committed to eliminating Israel and killing Jews. The Palestinian Authority is led by a Holocaust denier who refuses to hold elections. These things actually matter in the context of seeking peace. Most everyone outside of Iran's circle of influence wants or has wanted a two state solution. Yet it cannot happen with this precondition existing. So it is completely relevant to all discussions as long as the conflict exists.

Let us not forget that the closest we have ever come to peace was about 3 decades ago and flowed from Arafat / PLO recognizing Israel's right to exist.
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9:24a, 5/27/25
https://www.yahoo.com/news/indiscriminate-unrestrained-brutal-former-israeli-193347820.html

"Israel's former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says he now believes his country's relentless assault on the Palestinian people amounts to "war crimes" and must be stopped.

What we are doing in Gaza is a war of extermination: indiscriminate, unrestrained, brutal, and criminal killing of civilians," he said.

"We are doing this not because of an accidental loss of control in a particular sector, not because of a disproportionate outburst of fighters in some unit but as a result of a policy dictated by the government, knowingly, intentionally, viciously, maliciously, recklessly," Olmert's op-ed continued. "Yes, we are committing war crimes."

So, even the Israelis are admitting the obvious
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:42a, 5/27/25
tequila4kapp said:
sycasey said:
tequila4kapp said:
Angry White Bro said:

Palestinians in Gaza voted for representation whose official policy is the murder of all Jews and wiping Israel of the face of the map. Just maybe Israelis have decided such a people don't make great neighbors.
That one election from 19 years ago is doing a lot of work for you here.
And yet it is true. Gaza has been governed for nearly 2 decades by an entity fully committed to eliminating Israel and killing Jews. The Palestinian Authority is led by a Holocaust denier who refuses to hold elections. These things actually matter in the context of seeking peace. Most everyone outside of Iran's circle of influence wants or has wanted a two state solution. Yet it cannot happen with this precondition existing. So it is completely relevant to all discussions as long as the conflict exists.

Let us not forget that the closest we have ever come to peace was about 3 decades ago and flowed from Arafat / PLO recognizing Israel's right to exist.
I certainly won't be defending Hamas as a leadership group here.

But saying "Palestine voted for this" is leaving out a good deal of context, such as the fact that there have been no elections since 2006. (And also that Israel's current government supported Hamas' election, believing that it would make a two-state solution more difficult . . . because they don't want one.)
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8:19p, 5/27/25
The early onslaught of Israeli propaganda, stories like the 40 beheaded babies, which were widely relayed and amplified in the MSM and the US political class including Biden and Speaker Johnson themselves, paved the way to the ongoing genocide.

These lies generated anger and grief over the fictional beheading of Israeli babies than over the mass slaughter of Palestinian babies.




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9:11p, 5/27/25
Israel destroys the main grain storage facility in Gaza, executing their plan to starve the local population:


"Israeli forces demolished the Al-Shaeer wheat silo factory, located between Khan Younis and Rafah in southern Gaza.

This facility was a vital source of grain storage and food supply for thousands of families. Its destruction comes as Palestinians in the south face worsening famine and critical shortages of basic necessities."
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:32p, 5/29/25
Cal88 said:






Are all these tweets true or is it dishonest Hamas propaganda?
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6:30a, 5/30/25
Israelis, Zionists, Palestinians. How come they never mention Hamas?

It's like talking about the U.S. but never mentioning the Democrats.
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8:07a, 5/30/25
Reported today: US brokers 60 day cease fire where 1/2 living hostages and 18 dead bodies are returned to Israel; aid is provided to Gaza (administered by UN, I believe); prisoners / detainees are returned to Hamas.

Israel says Yes. Hamas says has not accepted.
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8:03p, 5/30/25
US backed aid (non-UN) deliveries reach Palestinians. Gazan's are shocked the aid is free; are accustomed to Hamas charging them for the food (Hamas steals the aid then sells it back to its own citizens). Social media criticizes Palestinians accepting the food on social media, creating memes comparing those who accept aid to Jews at Auschwitz. Critics condemn the aid operation, saying it is designed to undermine Hamas' authority in Gaza.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/05/30/report-palestinians-shocked-u-s-aid-is-free-after-being-charged-by-hamas-for-u-n-aid/
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In reply to bear2034 • 12:56p, 5/31/25
bear2034 said:
Israelis, Zionists, Palestinians. How come they never mention Hamas?

It's like talking about the U.S. but never mentioning the Democrats.


For the same reason most don't mention they believe it is justified to kill every human being in Gaza if that is what it takes to eliminate Hamas…..
Everyone likes a pristine narrative when making their case, so pesky details like Hamas are murderous demons and Israel is committing genocide in Gaza are omitted.

It isn't too sexy to mention Democrats when it is the Republicans that are operating a criminal enterprise that is looting the country and negating the Constitution and the Rule of Law.
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5:35p, 6/1/25
News reports indicated the IDF killed 30 people at a US backed aid station.
It was Hamas propaganda / lies.
The IDF released drone footage showing Hamas shooting at civilians, likely as part of an effort to steal the aid.
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In reply to oski003 • 6:37p, 6/1/25
"Are all these tweets true or is it dishonest Hamas propaganda?"

So if that is a concern for you then I take it you don't side with the BI crew that have stated, on the record here, that until Hamas is defeated it is justifiable to kill every person in Gaza. Under their way of thinking, it really doesn't matter if those reports are true or false.
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In reply to bearister • 6:41p, 6/1/25
bearister said:
"Are all these tweets true or is it dishonest Hamas propaganda?"

So if that is a concern for you then I take it you don't side with the BI crew that have stated, on the record here, that until Hamas is defeated it is justifiable to kill every person in Gaza. Under their way of thinking, it really doesn't matter if those reports are true or false.


No, I do not hold the opinion that is is justifiable to kill every person in Gaza until Hamas is defeated.
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1:25p, 6/2/25


Recommended reading.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:30p, 6/2/25
If your version of recommended reading is someone pushing a blood libel accusing Israel of genocide, then you have some serious problems. This is why attacks like the firebombing in Boulder and other antisemitic violence and hate crimes keep happening all over the world. When people accept the big lie that Israel is committing genocide, then it's open season on anyone who in their mind is somehow linked or supporting this genocide. Truly terrifying logic but it's just a mutation of previous antisemitic blood libels throughout history.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 5:33p, 6/2/25
CaliforniaEternal said:
If your version of recommended reading is someone pushing a blood libel accusing Israel of genocide, then you have some serious problems. This is why attacks like the firebombing in Boulder and other antisemitic violence and hate crimes keep happening all over the world. When people accept the big lie that Israel is committing genocide, then it's open season on anyone who in their mind is somehow linked or supporting this genocide. Truly terrifying logic but it's just a mutation of previous antisemitic blood libels throughout history.
Yes, as he addressed in the article, he figured you'd call it "blood libel." That's the standard line coming from Israel about anyone who criticizes their government and how they've treated the Palestinians. Obviously I do not support the violent terrorist actions coming from people who claim to be helping the Palestinians (they aren't), but two wrongs don't make a right.

Not buying it anymore, sorry. Especially from a guy who was clearly very friendly to Israel until the facts of the war and Israel's conduct could no longer be denied.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 5:50p, 6/2/25
"This is why attacks like the firebombing in Boulder and other antisemitic violence and hate crimes keep happening all over the world."

I think that is a never ending "What came first, the chicken or the egg" loop.

With regard to the attacker in Boulder? I'd zip tie him and toss him off a one story roof. Rinse and repeat as indicated.
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5:51p, 6/2/25
Israel is committing genocide
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In reply to sycasey • 5:57p, 6/2/25
There's a way to criticize the Israeli government without your standard line of accusing any war act as genocide. The definition of genocide has lost all meaning if any war is just going to be labeled a genocide because war is never pretty. I don't see the same "Free Gaza" crowd accusing Russia of genocide in Ukraine, killing Russians abroad over perceived support of the Russian army, etc. even though the casualties are much higher in Ukraine and Russia's stated aim is to completely erase Ukraine. Why is that? I think the answer is pretty clear.
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6:41p, 6/2/25
Russia is committing ethnic cleansing in occupied Ukraine
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