bearister said:
He quotes Alex Jones as a source to give the positions in his posts substance and persuasive force.
I quote Alex Jones because you agree with him.
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I quote Alex Jones because you agree with him.
BearNIt said:bearister said:
He quotes Alex Jones as a source to give the positions in his posts substance and persuasive force.
I was trying to figure out where is he coming up with his talking points and it all makes sense and that is why his talking points have a loose grip on the truth and reality.
Exhausted Journalist Finally Gets To Bed After Long Day Of Copying And Pasting Democrat Talking Points https://t.co/N1KZyfrISK pic.twitter.com/r80upMXmra
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) July 30, 2025
BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
These are pictures of children with other health issues.
Starvation is indeed a health issue.
These health issues are genetic disorders due to increased homozygosity, where offspring inherit identical copies of recessive alleles from both parents. In other words, incest.
Yeah sure, and the fact that nearly all food aid to the 2 million people living in Gaza has been suspended for several months now has nothing to do with people there starving, it's all about "increased homozygosity".
I'm not denying there are food issues in Gaza. But when you see pictures of emaciated kids like the ones you posted with parents who look much healthier, it makes you wonder if what's being reported is actually propaganda instead.
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide. Using food(starvation) as a weapon of war is a war crime.
Is Israel also not sending food to Gaza?✨ The Ultimate GAZA RESTAURANT Showdown✨
— GAZAWOOD - the PALLYWOOD saga (@GAZAWOOD1) July 28, 2025
Spending time in Gaza and not sure where to dine? 🧐
Stuck after filming a dramatic empty-pot scene and feeling a sudden appetite? 🎬🍽️
Worry not — all that’s left is to choose your favorite spot!😋
1/🧵 pic.twitter.com/4lQpoGvQnJ
Again sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest
So you deny Israel is sending food to Gaza.
Israel is using food as a weapon. If I send a can of peas to a starving city, can I really say I am send enough food so people won't die of starvation or am I using semantics to justify starving the people to death? Doing the bare minimum is just that, the bare minimum and people are still starving to death from insufficient nutrition. Is that not easily understood?
The New York Times is using propaganda as a weapon. Why did they use a picture of a child with a muscular disorder as the face of starvation in Gaza on its front cover?
The cover image of the New York Times on Friday, July 25, showed a child the caption said had been born healthy before suffering malnutrition in Gaza.
Hmmmm, sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest. There is no one in the world who doesn't believe that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that involves the use of food as a weapon resulting in mass starvation of a people. Your continued postings in attempt to obfuscate and deflect say a great deal and is troubling. Do some research and try not to go down a MAGA rabbit hole into the abyss. Like most news organizations the Times is using what is available to them to generate curiosity and readership without spreading lies. Do you think that they have fabricated the story or is it more likely in this era of litigation that the story was vetted and run past legal before they ran the story.
Is that why the New York Times backtracked and issued a correction on their Gaza famine story?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-admits-using-misleading-cover-photo-emaciated-gaza-child
Cal88 said:
BTW the NYT has always had a zionist bias.
Did the NYT's Zionist bias compel them to purposely embarrass themselves by publishing a false narrative and front page photo to bring light to the fact that western left-wing media is not telling the full story of what's going on in Gaza? More 3D chess by the Zionists?
BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Cal88 said:
You need more Massie and less Barbie echo chamber.
In North Korea, they prevent the outside world from taking pictures of things they don't want them to see for fear of embarrassment.
In Gazawood, they act and pretend in front of the cameras because they know the western media would eat it up, raw.
Of course, there are people dying and it's unjust and tragic and there are bad actors and bad actions that have place by the stronger side but that's what happens in a war, especially an urban one. But for some reason, that's not enough, the show must go on and Gazawood needs to produce for its western audience.
bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
These are pictures of children with other health issues.
Starvation is indeed a health issue.
These health issues are genetic disorders due to increased homozygosity, where offspring inherit identical copies of recessive alleles from both parents. In other words, incest.
Yeah sure, and the fact that nearly all food aid to the 2 million people living in Gaza has been suspended for several months now has nothing to do with people there starving, it's all about "increased homozygosity".
I'm not denying there are food issues in Gaza. But when you see pictures of emaciated kids like the ones you posted with parents who look much healthier, it makes you wonder if what's being reported is actually propaganda instead.
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide. Using food(starvation) as a weapon of war is a war crime.
Is Israel also not sending food to Gaza?✨ The Ultimate GAZA RESTAURANT Showdown✨
— GAZAWOOD - the PALLYWOOD saga (@GAZAWOOD1) July 28, 2025
Spending time in Gaza and not sure where to dine? 🧐
Stuck after filming a dramatic empty-pot scene and feeling a sudden appetite? 🎬🍽️
Worry not — all that’s left is to choose your favorite spot!😋
1/🧵 pic.twitter.com/4lQpoGvQnJ
Again sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest
So you deny Israel is sending food to Gaza.
Israel is using food as a weapon. If I send a can of peas to a starving city, can I really say I am send enough food so people won't die of starvation or am I using semantics to justify starving the people to death? Doing the bare minimum is just that, the bare minimum and people are still starving to death from insufficient nutrition. Is that not easily understood?
The New York Times is using propaganda as a weapon. Why did they use a picture of a child with a muscular disorder as the face of starvation in Gaza on its front cover?
The cover image of the New York Times on Friday, July 25, showed a child the caption said had been born healthy before suffering malnutrition in Gaza.
Hmmmm, sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest. There is no one in the world who doesn't believe that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that involves the use of food as a weapon resulting in mass starvation of a people. Your continued postings in attempt to obfuscate and deflect say a great deal and is troubling. Do some research and try not to go down a MAGA rabbit hole into the abyss. Like most news organizations the Times is using what is available to them to generate curiosity and readership without spreading lies. Do you think that they have fabricated the story or is it more likely in this era of litigation that the story was vetted and run past legal before they ran the story.
Is that why the New York Times backtracked and issued a correction on their Gaza famine story?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-admits-using-misleading-cover-photo-emaciated-gaza-child
When the NYT was presented with new information, they printed a correction which is what should happen if a journalist or publication has new information. This is what should have happened and did happen. They owned the mistake even though it does cloud the fact that people are dying in Gaza from insufficient nutrition. The NYT should be better. Given the information that they had they ran the story with the approval of the editors and the legal department, the same to entities that most likely instructed the writers of the article to issue a correction once they had the new information. I applaud them for having the integrity to do the right thing and would tell them to be better to avoid becoming the story instead of reporting on the story.
I would point out that the use of information that is later found to lack completeness does not solely belong to the NYT. Most recently the announcement of various trade deals by the administration contain misleading comments on foreign investment in the U.S. as evidenced by trade deals with the EU, Japan, and South Korea. Just today the announcement of the economy increasing in the 2nd Quarter by 3.% lacks context as it is less than that of the two previous years. Going by your assertion, the administration was dishonest and should be taken to task for it as should any publication who forgets to provide context to a story or an announcement. By the way none of the agreements are binding as the ability to set tariffs belongs to Congress.
You are right though based on the new information, the photo was misleading and the story lacked context but it did not change the fact that there are men, women, and children are dying due to insufficient nutrition . I would hope that next time you post, you not use photos from before the war showing restaurants in Gaza serving Gazans to disprove what is going on now, the use of food as a weapon by Israel and the starvation of a people.
bear2034 said:BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Doesn't mean they're not trying.
bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bearister said:
He quotes Alex Jones as a source to give the positions in his posts substance and persuasive force.
I was trying to figure out where is he coming up with his talking points and it all makes sense and that is why his talking points have a loose grip on the truth and reality.Exhausted Journalist Finally Gets To Bed After Long Day Of Copying And Pasting Democrat Talking Points https://t.co/N1KZyfrISK pic.twitter.com/r80upMXmra
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) July 30, 2025
If you mean based in reality given the current information and based on common sense then I stand guilty as charged and I accept the punishment.
Cal88, a request please. Would you please post more pictures of dead Gazan babies? I get off on that kind of thing, and, you know, I'm sure it's exactly what Greybear had in mind when he set up this Cal community. Thanks, you effing freak.
Data: COGAT, a unit of the Israeli military; Note: "Other aid" includes water, shelter, gas, medical supplies and infrastructure equipment; Chart: Kavya Beheraj/Axios
"The Israeli government denies there is starvation in Gaza. President Trump rejected that claim on Monday, saying "there is real starvation in Gaza you can't fake that."
Axios
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Chapman_is_Gone said:
Cal88, a request please. Would you please post more pictures of dead Gazan babies? I get off on that kind of thing, and, you know, I'm sure it's exactly what Greybear had in mind when he set up this Cal community. Thanks, you effing freak.
Just trying to be helpful here, here you go chappie:
https://thebettermenopause.com/blogs/the-better-gut-community/natural-remedies-for-menopause-mood-swings-and-low-mood
BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
These are pictures of children with other health issues.
Starvation is indeed a health issue.
These health issues are genetic disorders due to increased homozygosity, where offspring inherit identical copies of recessive alleles from both parents. In other words, incest.
Yeah sure, and the fact that nearly all food aid to the 2 million people living in Gaza has been suspended for several months now has nothing to do with people there starving, it's all about "increased homozygosity".
I'm not denying there are food issues in Gaza. But when you see pictures of emaciated kids like the ones you posted with parents who look much healthier, it makes you wonder if what's being reported is actually propaganda instead.
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide. Using food(starvation) as a weapon of war is a war crime.
Is Israel also not sending food to Gaza?✨ The Ultimate GAZA RESTAURANT Showdown✨
— GAZAWOOD - the PALLYWOOD saga (@GAZAWOOD1) July 28, 2025
Spending time in Gaza and not sure where to dine? 🧐
Stuck after filming a dramatic empty-pot scene and feeling a sudden appetite? 🎬🍽️
Worry not — all that’s left is to choose your favorite spot!😋
1/🧵 pic.twitter.com/4lQpoGvQnJ
Again sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest
So you deny Israel is sending food to Gaza.
Israel is using food as a weapon. If I send a can of peas to a starving city, can I really say I am send enough food so people won't die of starvation or am I using semantics to justify starving the people to death? Doing the bare minimum is just that, the bare minimum and people are still starving to death from insufficient nutrition. Is that not easily understood?
The New York Times is using propaganda as a weapon. Why did they use a picture of a child with a muscular disorder as the face of starvation in Gaza on its front cover?
The cover image of the New York Times on Friday, July 25, showed a child the caption said had been born healthy before suffering malnutrition in Gaza.
Hmmmm, sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest. There is no one in the world who doesn't believe that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that involves the use of food as a weapon resulting in mass starvation of a people. Your continued postings in attempt to obfuscate and deflect say a great deal and is troubling. Do some research and try not to go down a MAGA rabbit hole into the abyss. Like most news organizations the Times is using what is available to them to generate curiosity and readership without spreading lies. Do you think that they have fabricated the story or is it more likely in this era of litigation that the story was vetted and run past legal before they ran the story.
Is that why the New York Times backtracked and issued a correction on their Gaza famine story?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-admits-using-misleading-cover-photo-emaciated-gaza-child
When the NYT was presented with new information, they printed a correction which is what should happen if a journalist or publication has new information. This is what should have happened and did happen. They owned the mistake even though it does cloud the fact that people are dying in Gaza from insufficient nutrition. The NYT should be better. Given the information that they had they ran the story with the approval of the editors and the legal department, the same to entities that most likely instructed the writers of the article to issue a correction once they had the new information. I applaud them for having the integrity to do the right thing and would tell them to be better to avoid becoming the story instead of reporting on the story.
I would point out that the use of information that is later found to lack completeness does not solely belong to the NYT. Most recently the announcement of various trade deals by the administration contain misleading comments on foreign investment in the U.S. as evidenced by trade deals with the EU, Japan, and South Korea. Just today the announcement of the economy increasing in the 2nd Quarter by 3.% lacks context as it is less than that of the two previous years. Going by your assertion, the administration was dishonest and should be taken to task for it as should any publication who forgets to provide context to a story or an announcement. By the way none of the agreements are binding as the ability to set tariffs belongs to Congress.
You are right though based on the new information, the photo was misleading and the story lacked context but it did not change the fact that there are men, women, and children are dying due to insufficient nutrition . I would hope that next time you post, you not use photos from before the war showing restaurants in Gaza serving Gazans to disprove what is going on now, the use of food as a weapon by Israel and the starvation of a people.
Lying on the front page, apologizing via a PR Twitter account.
Smear on the front page in bold print, whisper the truth in a tweet no one sees.
This isn't journalism. It's propaganda with a corrections tab.
You already knew this. But why would they need to resort to this?
BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Doesn't mean they're not trying.
Hamas killed around 1,100 people on October 7, 2023 using only hand weapons.
It's been 671 days since that day.
If the IDF killed at that daily rate, you would expect 738,000 people dead.
Maybe they're not trying hard enough?
bearister said:
"The Israeli government denies there is starvation in Gaza. President Trump rejected that claim on Monday, saying "there is real starvation in Gaza you can't fake that."
Axios
1. How much delivered food and aid have been looted by Hamas?
2. Where are all the pictures of "real starvation"?
bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Doesn't mean they're not trying.
Hamas killed around 1,100 people on October 7, 2023 using only hand weapons.
It's been 671 days since that day.
If the IDF killed at that daily rate, you would expect 738,000 people dead.
Maybe they're not trying hard enough?
You mean killing 80,000 people of which most are women and children is not enough? Even Israel's own military leaders say there are no more military objectives to pursue. Israel is an international pariah, the Prime Minister is now subject to being detained as a war criminal. France, England, and Canada have now announce their intent to recognize Palestine which will give credibility to the two state solution. So you tell me what is Israel and the Prime Minster trying to accomplish at this point because it is not about getting the hostages free? Could it possibly be to not standing trial and going to jail for corruption? Things are so bad in Gaza the U.S. is sending envoys to Gaza to talk to Gazans so a plan can be developed to flood the area with food to prevent mass starvation.Your comments regarding the killing rate of the IDF are disturbing and I'm having difficulty with their relevance, would you like the IDF to wipeout almost half the population of Gaza? Would that satisfy your blood lust?There are reports from American's within Gaza regarding the IDF firing on people while they are trying to obtain food. Reports estimate that over 1000 Gazans have been killed by the IDF while trying to get food. it's one thing to kill Hamas but it is another to kill Palestinians who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel and are under the oppressive heel of Hamas.
bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
These are pictures of children with other health issues.
Starvation is indeed a health issue.
These health issues are genetic disorders due to increased homozygosity, where offspring inherit identical copies of recessive alleles from both parents. In other words, incest.
Yeah sure, and the fact that nearly all food aid to the 2 million people living in Gaza has been suspended for several months now has nothing to do with people there starving, it's all about "increased homozygosity".
I'm not denying there are food issues in Gaza. But when you see pictures of emaciated kids like the ones you posted with parents who look much healthier, it makes you wonder if what's being reported is actually propaganda instead.
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide. Using food(starvation) as a weapon of war is a war crime.
Is Israel also not sending food to Gaza?✨ The Ultimate GAZA RESTAURANT Showdown✨
— GAZAWOOD - the PALLYWOOD saga (@GAZAWOOD1) July 28, 2025
Spending time in Gaza and not sure where to dine? 🧐
Stuck after filming a dramatic empty-pot scene and feeling a sudden appetite? 🎬🍽️
Worry not — all that’s left is to choose your favorite spot!😋
1/🧵 pic.twitter.com/4lQpoGvQnJ
Again sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest
So you deny Israel is sending food to Gaza.
Israel is using food as a weapon. If I send a can of peas to a starving city, can I really say I am send enough food so people won't die of starvation or am I using semantics to justify starving the people to death? Doing the bare minimum is just that, the bare minimum and people are still starving to death from insufficient nutrition. Is that not easily understood?
The New York Times is using propaganda as a weapon. Why did they use a picture of a child with a muscular disorder as the face of starvation in Gaza on its front cover?
The cover image of the New York Times on Friday, July 25, showed a child the caption said had been born healthy before suffering malnutrition in Gaza.
Hmmmm, sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest. There is no one in the world who doesn't believe that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that involves the use of food as a weapon resulting in mass starvation of a people. Your continued postings in attempt to obfuscate and deflect say a great deal and is troubling. Do some research and try not to go down a MAGA rabbit hole into the abyss. Like most news organizations the Times is using what is available to them to generate curiosity and readership without spreading lies. Do you think that they have fabricated the story or is it more likely in this era of litigation that the story was vetted and run past legal before they ran the story.
Is that why the New York Times backtracked and issued a correction on their Gaza famine story?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-admits-using-misleading-cover-photo-emaciated-gaza-child
When the NYT was presented with new information, they printed a correction which is what should happen if a journalist or publication has new information. This is what should have happened and did happen. They owned the mistake even though it does cloud the fact that people are dying in Gaza from insufficient nutrition. The NYT should be better. Given the information that they had they ran the story with the approval of the editors and the legal department, the same to entities that most likely instructed the writers of the article to issue a correction once they had the new information. I applaud them for having the integrity to do the right thing and would tell them to be better to avoid becoming the story instead of reporting on the story.
I would point out that the use of information that is later found to lack completeness does not solely belong to the NYT. Most recently the announcement of various trade deals by the administration contain misleading comments on foreign investment in the U.S. as evidenced by trade deals with the EU, Japan, and South Korea. Just today the announcement of the economy increasing in the 2nd Quarter by 3.% lacks context as it is less than that of the two previous years. Going by your assertion, the administration was dishonest and should be taken to task for it as should any publication who forgets to provide context to a story or an announcement. By the way none of the agreements are binding as the ability to set tariffs belongs to Congress.
You are right though based on the new information, the photo was misleading and the story lacked context but it did not change the fact that there are men, women, and children are dying due to insufficient nutrition . I would hope that next time you post, you not use photos from before the war showing restaurants in Gaza serving Gazans to disprove what is going on now, the use of food as a weapon by Israel and the starvation of a people.
Lying on the front page, apologizing via a PR Twitter account.
Smear on the front page in bold print, whisper the truth in a tweet no one sees.
This isn't journalism. It's propaganda with a corrections tab.
You already knew this. But why would they need to resort to this?
They did issue a correction didn't they? If that is not good enough for you, maybe you should contact the NYT and voice your displeasure with their correction and advise them what would be acceptable to you if it happens again. Once the new information was obtained and vetted they issued the correction which they should have. They practiced journalistic integrity by saying they made a mistake. I might remind you that they did something Fox News would only grudgingly do ie Birtherism, the picking of winners and losers, the so called Russia hoax, calling the J6 domestic terrorist: victims, and let's not forget the insinuation that Nancy Pelosi's husband was having some sort of gay trist while he was getting his skull cracked open. So spare me your faux outrage. Finally I'm glad you are a mind reader and can tell what I know, Can you guess what I'm thinking now, it will save me time and typing?
BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Doesn't mean they're not trying.
Hamas killed around 1,100 people on October 7, 2023 using only hand weapons.
It's been 671 days since that day.
If the IDF killed at that daily rate, you would expect 738,000 people dead.
Maybe they're not trying hard enough?
You mean killing 80,000 people of which most are women and children is not enough? Even Israel's own military leaders say there are no more military objectives to pursue. Israel is an international pariah, the Prime Minister is now subject to being detained as a war criminal. France, England, and Canada have now announce their intent to recognize Palestine which will give credibility to the two state solution. So you tell me what is Israel and the Prime Minster trying to accomplish at this point because it is not about getting the hostages free? Could it possibly be to not standing trial and going to jail for corruption? Things are so bad in Gaza the U.S. is sending envoys to Gaza to talk to Gazans so a plan can be developed to flood the area with food to prevent mass starvation.Your comments regarding the killing rate of the IDF are disturbing and I'm having difficulty with their relevance, would you like the IDF to wipeout almost half the population of Gaza? Would that satisfy your blood lust?There are reports from American's within Gaza regarding the IDF firing on people while they are trying to obtain food. Reports estimate that over 1000 Gazans have been killed by the IDF while trying to get food. it's one thing to kill Hamas but it is another to kill Palestinians who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel and are under the oppressive heel of Hamas.
Hamas' surrender is the military objective and is definitely worth pursuing.
oski003 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Doesn't mean they're not trying.
Hamas killed around 1,100 people on October 7, 2023 using only hand weapons.
It's been 671 days since that day.
If the IDF killed at that daily rate, you would expect 738,000 people dead.
Maybe they're not trying hard enough?
You mean killing 80,000 people of which most are women and children is not enough? Even Israel's own military leaders say there are no more military objectives to pursue. Israel is an international pariah, the Prime Minister is now subject to being detained as a war criminal. France, England, and Canada have now announce their intent to recognize Palestine which will give credibility to the two state solution. So you tell me what is Israel and the Prime Minster trying to accomplish at this point because it is not about getting the hostages free? Could it possibly be to not standing trial and going to jail for corruption? Things are so bad in Gaza the U.S. is sending envoys to Gaza to talk to Gazans so a plan can be developed to flood the area with food to prevent mass starvation.Your comments regarding the killing rate of the IDF are disturbing and I'm having difficulty with their relevance, would you like the IDF to wipeout almost half the population of Gaza? Would that satisfy your blood lust?There are reports from American's within Gaza regarding the IDF firing on people while they are trying to obtain food. Reports estimate that over 1000 Gazans have been killed by the IDF while trying to get food. it's one thing to kill Hamas but it is another to kill Palestinians who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel and are under the oppressive heel of Hamas.
Hamas' surrender is the military objective and is definitely worth pursuing.
Then after almost two years and 80,000 deaths, and still having not freed the hostages, they have failed. They are not going to get rid of an entity that is able to melt back into the general population no matter how many hospital, churches, mosque, schools, and people you have bombed or killed. Instead what you have done is make yourself an international pariah and war criminal. People around the world are questioning your motives and the international community is now more willing than ever to voice its preference for the two state solution. You now have the President of the US. voicing his displeasure with the use of food as a weapon and the indiscriminate bombing and killing of women and children, so much so that after providing $60 Million dollars for food, POTUS is sending envoys who will meet with Gazans to develop a plan to stop the humanitarian crisis of starvation that is taking place. The US public is now questioning the amount of aid and military hardware we are sending to Israel so much so that 27 Senators voted to seek assurances from Israel on how our weapons are being used in appropriate ways, something that would never have occurred in years past. Last time the Israelis thought they got rid of Hamas they stopped booming and the very next day, there were thousand of men dressed in Hamas uniforms all over Gaza.
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas. Your only option if you are going to pursue this course of action is to kill every man, women, and children and the international community and the U.S. are not going to allow total genocide to take place. Israel's continued stance will create generations of willing recruits who have lost their families, their hope, and any imaginable future, and are willing to die because they have nothing to lose except their lives. I haven't even started to discuss the effect this war will have on its relationships with its Arab neighbors or the fact that people in the U.S. are tired of forever wars in the Middle East.
BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
sycasey said:BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
I agree 100%. You have to give Palestinians an alternative to Hamas. That entity has to be Arab and strong enough militarily to stand against Hamas otherwise Palestinians will just try to survive the day to day pile of &@#$ that gets dropped onto their lives.
sycasey said:BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
Yes, except for the fact Israel neighbors Hamas. This is kind of like Vietnam, except Israel is fighting the NLF and NVA at its border and was attacked by them. Unfortunately, the people of Gaza seem to back their oppressors because they hate Israel more than the people that are actually stealing their food.
oski003 said:sycasey said:BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
Yes, except for the fact Israel neighbors Hamas. This is kind of like Vietnam, except Israel is fighting the NLF and NVA at its border and was attacked by them. Unfortunately, the people of Gaza seem to back their oppressors because they hate Israel more than the people that are actually stealing their food.
Israel should probably give up all of its shenanigans in the West Bank, which drives the resentment among the Palestinian population.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
Yes, except for the fact Israel neighbors Hamas. This is kind of like Vietnam, except Israel is fighting the NLF and NVA at its border and was attacked by them. Unfortunately, the people of Gaza seem to back their oppressors because they hate Israel more than the people that are actually stealing their food.
Israel should probably give up all of its shenanigans in the West Bank, which drives the resentment among the Palestinian population.
I generally agree.
oski003 said:sycasey said:BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
Yes, except for the fact Israel neighbors Hamas. This is kind of like Vietnam, except Israel is fighting the NLF and NVA at its border and was attacked by them. Unfortunately, the people of Gaza seem to back their oppressors because they hate Israel more than the people that are actually stealing their food.
Israel has deliberatly blocked aid distribution and has destroyed the previous humanitarian organizations like UNWRA and UNICEF that have managed to distribute aid without any interference from Hamas.
“UNRWA has thousands of trucks of supplies waiting to get into #Gaza. We have enough food for the entire population for a month - that’s 180 million meals,” UNRWA Sam Rose says.
— UNRWA (@UNRWA) July 7, 2025
And it’s not just food - critical medicines, shelter items and basic hygiene supplies.
Let us do our… pic.twitter.com/12C5D7K0Di
Israel has also armed local collaborator gangs led by a guy called Abu Shabab working with Israel and against the local population, they channeled aid convoys through neighborhoods these gangs hold. No armed gangs in Gaza would have been able to operate out in the open without Israeli collaboration.
Here's the genocide-by-starvation timeline:
— Jonathan Cook (@Jonathan_K_Cook) June 26, 2025
Israel stops UN aid from reaching Gaza, claiming the world body lets Hamas steal aid.
Meanwhile, Netanyahu admits Israel has been arming crime gangs in Gaza. Those gangs use their guns to loot aid trucks and run a food extortion… pic.twitter.com/7mDoRPdUjE
🧵NEW: Armed gangs are looting food warehouses across Gaza—and Israeli drones are reportedly targeting the police and volunteers trying to stop them.
— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) May 3, 2025
Multiple sources, including eyewitnesses and journalists, say the gangs are backed by Israel.
Here’s what’s being reported: 🔽 pic.twitter.com/8DbOJpr28F
🚨🚨🚨Washington Post exclusive: "As Gaza’s hunger crisis worsens, organized gangs are stealing much of the aid Israel allows into the enclave, operating freely in areas controlled by the Israeli military"https://t.co/GChFAum5BF
— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) November 18, 2024
oski003 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide.
Why aren't most Hamas terrorists and Palestinians dead by now? It's been almost two years since October 7, 2023. Face it, Israel sucks at genocide, especially with all their military sophistication.
Doesn't mean they're not trying.
Hamas killed around 1,100 people on October 7, 2023 using only hand weapons.
It's been 671 days since that day.
If the IDF killed at that daily rate, you would expect 738,000 people dead.
Maybe they're not trying hard enough?
You mean killing 80,000 people of which most are women and children is not enough? Even Israel's own military leaders say there are no more military objectives to pursue. Israel is an international pariah, the Prime Minister is now subject to being detained as a war criminal. France, England, and Canada have now announce their intent to recognize Palestine which will give credibility to the two state solution. So you tell me what is Israel and the Prime Minster trying to accomplish at this point because it is not about getting the hostages free? Could it possibly be to not standing trial and going to jail for corruption? Things are so bad in Gaza the U.S. is sending envoys to Gaza to talk to Gazans so a plan can be developed to flood the area with food to prevent mass starvation.Your comments regarding the killing rate of the IDF are disturbing and I'm having difficulty with their relevance, would you like the IDF to wipeout almost half the population of Gaza? Would that satisfy your blood lust?There are reports from American's within Gaza regarding the IDF firing on people while they are trying to obtain food. Reports estimate that over 1000 Gazans have been killed by the IDF while trying to get food. it's one thing to kill Hamas but it is another to kill Palestinians who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel and are under the oppressive heel of Hamas.
Hamas' surrender is the military objective and is definitely worth pursuing.
Creating literally tens of thousands of orphans whose families and houses were destroyed is not going to bring any kind of peace for Israel.
For the past 50+ years Israel through its own terror has cultivated armed resistance, which they have used as a pretext to ethnically cleanse Palestine, and now they are also colonizing parts of southern Syria and Lebanon.
The Palestinians in Gaza tried to put together non-violent protests in the marches to the border in 2018, what they got from Israel is 8,000 protestors shot with live ammunition, this was the Israel response to these marches:
Before the 7th of October, this is how Israeli soldiers shot Palestinians boys at the gaza borders.
— Eye on Palestine (@EyeonPalestine) July 31, 2025
Israeli soldiers cheering as a sniper shoots a Palestinian child near the Gaza fence.
Troops are heard laughing, filming, and praising the shot, calling it a "legendary video."… pic.twitter.com/gwMdOU8q0L
oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:BearNIt said:
Hamas will not surrender as you can't tell who is Hamas and who lives in terror from Hamas.
This. It's the same foolishness that drove the US to continue an endless "War on Terror" after 9/11. There is no one single leader of a terrorist organization you can behead and then it's all over. There will always be more of them.
You have to do the harder work to remove the reasons for terrorism looking like an appetizing choice.
Yes, except for the fact Israel neighbors Hamas. This is kind of like Vietnam, except Israel is fighting the NLF and NVA at its border and was attacked by them. Unfortunately, the people of Gaza seem to back their oppressors because they hate Israel more than the people that are actually stealing their food.
Israel should probably give up all of its shenanigans in the West Bank, which drives the resentment among the Palestinian population.
I generally agree.
And also give up on all the far-right language that seems to dominate their current government. They have officials openly talking about settling Gaza and moving all of the Palestinian population somewhere else. Effectively creating another West Bank situation. There's no way this doesn't foment further armed resistance.
It is so much more complicated than "just defeat Hamas." Current Hamas leaders could get a brain worm and surrender tomorrow, and there would still be festering resentment that set up yet another organization like them in the near future, if the rest of these Israeli policies continued.
Israeli soldier in Gaza told by his commander to "destroy everything, kill everyone you see"
🚨MUST WATCH🚨
— Niz (@NizMhani) August 2, 2025
Israeli soldiers are coming out and testifying that they have been killing Palestinians INDISCRIMINATELY, often under direct order.
"F**k it, destroy everything, kill everyone"
The evidence archives for the Hague are bursting at the seams. pic.twitter.com/lxhDzWtb1O
Rain belongs to Israel .
— Irlandarra (@aldamu_jo) August 2, 2025
Palestinians in the West Bank are not allowed to harvest rain water because Israel claims it belongs to them.
“Rain is the property of the Israeli authorities” claims the Israeli military. And our governments defend this…
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 pic.twitter.com/1l0m456Xn2
🔴 BREAKING | 🇮🇱 Ben Gvir to the army:
— SilencedSirs◼️ (@SilentlySirs) August 3, 2025
“Keep bombing and don’t fear the international courts. Has America ever punished an Israeli soldier? Of course not. Continue your work with confidence.” pic.twitter.com/GHYqluJwgw
Israel met its daily quota of slaughtering 100 hungry civilians seeking aid
— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) August 3, 2025
Our Western governments have normalized these horrors to preserve the Zionist project https://t.co/cpD7k8JGQA
IDF captured 3 members of Hamas' Beit Hanoun battalion in northern Gaza. The IDF posted this picture of the capture Sunday. Do they look like they are starving?
tequila4kapp said:
IDF captured 3 members of Hamas' Beit Hanoun battalion in northern Gaza. The IDF posted this picture of the capture Sunday. Do they look like they are starving?
Them Hamas homeboys eating good in Gaza.
tequila4kapp said:
IDF captured 3 members of Hamas' Beit Hanoun battalion in northern Gaza. The IDF posted this picture of the capture Sunday. Do they look like they are starving?
It is remarkable that in this thread - and in most of the main stream media - there has been no discussion of the one verified picture of a starving person. The hostage that Hamas has tortured, starved and seemingly forced to dig his own grave. To be clear, the well fed/overweigh Hamas soldiers are choosing to starve him. And we know the pictures and video are verified because Hamas proudly released them.
The world’s silence about the deliberate starvation of Israeli hostages—at the hands of Hamas and Islamic Jihad—is as deafening as its hypocrisy. Expect the images of emaciated Israeli bodies, starved in captivity, to appear nowhere in the pages of most major American… pic.twitter.com/DKIVOJ6uch
— Ritchie Torres (@RitchieTorres) August 3, 2025
May God cradle his shattered family in Israel with strength and mercy. This isn’t just heartbreaking; it is a crime against everything decent left in this world. A hostage in Gaza, tortured and starved by Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists, was filmed in agony. If you can watch… pic.twitter.com/ZjqAImC2vS
— Amjad Taha أمجد طه (@amjadt25) July 31, 2025
Congratulations to Keir Starmer.
— 𝐍𝐢𝐨𝐡 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐠 ♛ ✡︎ (@NiohBerg) August 2, 2025
Hamas is now uploading the vilest Holocaust-evoking footage imaginable of a starved, tortured hostage digging his own grave.
You are giving them a state. They know they face zero consequences for this.
Is your Jewish wife proud of you? pic.twitter.com/U3qjaZDQzy
Hamas started this war and is responsible for all of the suffering. Full stop. They are counting on Palestinian suffering to influence the squishy left and Europeans. And many people on this board are up for it.
And for those of you who claim that Israel is responsible for the potential (not yet actual) famine, please tell me what other country is expected to feed the country they are at war with? Did the US feed ISIS or Syrians? Or Iraqis in Mosul? There are current war caused famines in Yemen and Sudan, yet silence here and no calls for a cease fire. The focus on only Israel is unprecedented and truly bizarre.
And for those of you who claim that Israel should stop the war without a Hamas "surrender", please provide me an example of any country that has stopped fighting with a similar enemy on its border solely because the population of the other country are suffering? Did the US stop fighting because the Germans/Japanese suffered? Would Hamas stop fighting under these circumstances?
And to be clear, it is not a requirement that Hamas surrender. They must be removed from power. Just this week all of the relevant Arab countries acknowledged and called for this. Quoting:
"The world's Arab countries for the first time have joined unanimously in the call for Hamas to lay down its weapons, release all hostages and end its rule of the Gaza Strip, conditions that they said could help the establishment of a Palestinian state.
The surprise declaration, endorsed on Tuesday by the 22 member nations of the Arab League, also condemned Hamas's Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, which set off the devastating war in Gaza. The statement came at a United Nations conference in New York on a two-state solution to end the decades-long conflict between Israelis and Palestinians."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/world/middleeast/hamas-arab-states-palestinians.html
Israel accepted the most recent proposal for a cease fire. Hamas rejected it. And then the idiotic European/Canadian leaders put pressure on Israel - even rewarding Hamas with the possible "recognition" of an imaginary Palestinian state - causing Hamas to cease all negotiations. How stupid can you be.
There is much suffering in Gaza. The war has ravaged the Gazans and it seems that the country is on the brink of a food crisis/famine. Anyone who is concerned about that should be calling for Hamas to lay down its arms and release the hostages. The Arab countries in the "neighborhood" fully understand this. But the western liberals do not.
BearGoggles said:tequila4kapp said:
IDF captured 3 members of Hamas' Beit Hanoun battalion in northern Gaza. The IDF posted this picture of the capture Sunday. Do they look like they are starving?
It is remarkable that in this thread - and in most of the main stream media - there has been no discussion of the one verified picture of a starving person. The hostage that Hamas has tortured, starved and seemingly forced to dig his own grave. To be clear, the well fed/overweigh Hamas soldiers are choosing to starve him. And we know the pictures and video are verified because Hamas proudly released them.
There have been other verified pictures of Israeli hostages as well, maybe not starved to the degree like the one hostage above.
The first signs of starvation in Gaza are the images of emaciated Israeli hostages. pic.twitter.com/M3tNsn9Oum
— Adam Fisher (@AdamRFisher) February 8, 2025
BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:BearNIt said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
These are pictures of children with other health issues.
Starvation is indeed a health issue.
These health issues are genetic disorders due to increased homozygosity, where offspring inherit identical copies of recessive alleles from both parents. In other words, incest.
Yeah sure, and the fact that nearly all food aid to the 2 million people living in Gaza has been suspended for several months now has nothing to do with people there starving, it's all about "increased homozygosity".
I'm not denying there are food issues in Gaza. But when you see pictures of emaciated kids like the ones you posted with parents who look much healthier, it makes you wonder if what's being reported is actually propaganda instead.
Even aid organizations within Israel say the Prime Minister's actions are akin to genocide. Using food(starvation) as a weapon of war is a war crime.
Is Israel also not sending food to Gaza?✨ The Ultimate GAZA RESTAURANT Showdown✨
— GAZAWOOD - the PALLYWOOD saga (@GAZAWOOD1) July 28, 2025
Spending time in Gaza and not sure where to dine? 🧐
Stuck after filming a dramatic empty-pot scene and feeling a sudden appetite? 🎬🍽️
Worry not — all that’s left is to choose your favorite spot!😋
1/🧵 pic.twitter.com/4lQpoGvQnJ
Again sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest
So you deny Israel is sending food to Gaza.
Israel is using food as a weapon. If I send a can of peas to a starving city, can I really say I am send enough food so people won't die of starvation or am I using semantics to justify starving the people to death? Doing the bare minimum is just that, the bare minimum and people are still starving to death from insufficient nutrition. Is that not easily understood?
The New York Times is using propaganda as a weapon. Why did they use a picture of a child with a muscular disorder as the face of starvation in Gaza on its front cover?
The cover image of the New York Times on Friday, July 25, showed a child the caption said had been born healthy before suffering malnutrition in Gaza.
Hmmmm, sad, craven, and intellectually dishonest. There is no one in the world who doesn't believe that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that involves the use of food as a weapon resulting in mass starvation of a people. Your continued postings in attempt to obfuscate and deflect say a great deal and is troubling. Do some research and try not to go down a MAGA rabbit hole into the abyss. Like most news organizations the Times is using what is available to them to generate curiosity and readership without spreading lies. Do you think that they have fabricated the story or is it more likely in this era of litigation that the story was vetted and run past legal before they ran the story.
Is that why the New York Times backtracked and issued a correction on their Gaza famine story?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-admits-using-misleading-cover-photo-emaciated-gaza-child
When the NYT was presented with new information, they printed a correction which is what should happen if a journalist or publication has new information. This is what should have happened and did happen. They owned the mistake even though it does cloud the fact that people are dying in Gaza from insufficient nutrition. The NYT should be better. Given the information that they had they ran the story with the approval of the editors and the legal department, the same to entities that most likely instructed the writers of the article to issue a correction once they had the new information. I applaud them for having the integrity to do the right thing and would tell them to be better to avoid becoming the story instead of reporting on the story.
I would point out that the use of information that is later found to lack completeness does not solely belong to the NYT. Most recently the announcement of various trade deals by the administration contain misleading comments on foreign investment in the U.S. as evidenced by trade deals with the EU, Japan, and South Korea. Just today the announcement of the economy increasing in the 2nd Quarter by 3.% lacks context as it is less than that of the two previous years. Going by your assertion, the administration was dishonest and should be taken to task for it as should any publication who forgets to provide context to a story or an announcement. By the way none of the agreements are binding as the ability to set tariffs belongs to Congress.
You are right though based on the new information, the photo was misleading and the story lacked context but it did not change the fact that there are men, women, and children are dying due to insufficient nutrition . I would hope that next time you post, you not use photos from before the war showing restaurants in Gaza serving Gazans to disprove what is going on now, the use of food as a weapon by Israel and the starvation of a people.
Lying on the front page, apologizing via a PR Twitter account.
Smear on the front page in bold print, whisper the truth in a tweet no one sees.
This isn't journalism. It's propaganda with a corrections tab.
You already knew this. But why would they need to resort to this?
They did issue a correction didn't they? If that is not good enough for you, maybe you should contact the NYT and voice your displeasure with their correction and advise them what would be acceptable to you if it happens again. Once the new information was obtained and vetted they issued the correction which they should have. They practiced journalistic integrity by saying they made a mistake. I might remind you that they did something Fox News would only grudgingly do ie Birtherism, the picking of winners and losers, the so called Russia hoax, calling the J6 domestic terrorist: victims, and let's not forget the insinuation that Nancy Pelosi's husband was having some sort of gay trist while he was getting his skull cracked open. So spare me your faux outrage. Finally I'm glad you are a mind reader and can tell what I know, Can you guess what I'm thinking now, it will save me time and typing?
Seriously, over the last 10 years, the only thing you could come up with to criticize right wing journalistic integrity is Paul Pelosi's gay lover?
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