The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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The bot problem is absolutely an issue. It's on all sides. Left, right, Israel, Palestine, Russia, Ukraine, China and on and on. It really would be nice to them all gone.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

The "Free Gaza" leftist crowd will never take to the streets to protest the oppression of the Iranian regime. Moral confusion at its finest.

"Neither Gaza, nor Lebanon, I give my life for Iran."

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The "Free Gaza" leftist crowd will never take to the streets to protest the oppression of the Iranian regime. Moral confusion at its finest.

"Neither Gaza, nor Lebanon, I give my life for Iran."



Yes, I always roll my eyes at this argument. The campus protests on Gaza were specifically about divestment, meaning, stop using your money to support Israel's war (or genocide, as they would call it). Iran's government is awful and repressive, but American money is not supporting it. What is there to protest?

There's a better argument that Saudi Arabia is more deserving of protest, but they haven't been doing a whole lot in terms of armed conflict (except against the Houthis, I guess) so there's no obvious flashpoint for protests. It's not some great mystery why Israel gets the attention in the West, and it doesn't have to be about hating Jews. Some people do hate Jews, but there aren't enough of those to get such a large protest movement going.
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Board of Piece of the Action

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When someone tells you who they are, believe them
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sycasey said:



Most of them non-combantans
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Most of them non-combantans






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According to the NYT, Trump's demands on Iran are "aimed to address longstanding concerns about the threat that Iran and its proxies posed to United States military bases and close U.S. partners, such as Israel and Saudi Arabia."

If Iran had military bases surrounding the US, as the US does with Iran, would anyone call the US a "threat" to Iran?

As for Iran's supposed threat to Israel, it's Israel that has nuclear weapons, assassinates Iran's nuclear scientists, has attacked Iran twice in two years (in Syria and then Tehran), and openly seeks regime change.

By contrast, Iran has previously voiced support for the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which offered Israel full normalization if it ends its occupation and dispossession of Palestinians. Israel rejects that and insists that no one, including Iran, resist its longstanding aggression.

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Bearister, tell me more about how US and Russian propaganda are different?

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!
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Cal88 said:

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!

She has some good opinions, some not so good.

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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!

She has some good opinions, some not so good.




Context matters.

https://www.mediamatters.org/jesse-watters/fox-news-guest-says-just-world-school-board-members-would-be-thrown-jail-being

She's calling San Diego area school board members criminal groomers for endorsing a gay-themed halloween party for children as young as 5 sponsored by a local gay disco and a sex-change surgery clinic network from SF. That is grooming.

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Aunburdened said:



Bearister, tell me more about how US and Russian propaganda are different?



How are U.S. and Russian propaganda different?

Modern propaganda from the U.S. and Russia differs primarily in their strategic goals and operational methods. While Russia focuses on destabilization through a "firehose of falsehood," U.S. influence is often characterized by "soft power" and institutional public diplomacy.


1. Strategic Goals

Russia (Destabilization): The primary aim is to undermine the credibility of democratic institutions and sow internal discord in the West. Russian campaigns often target divisive social issues such as race, immigration, and gender to polarize the population.

United States (Stability & Values): Historically, U.S. efforts focus on promoting democratic values, free-market capitalism, and American global leadership. The goal is typically to create an international environment favorable to U.S. security and economic interests.

2. Operational Methods
Russia's "Firehose of Falsehood":

This model relies on a high volume of messaging across multiple channels (social media, state-run news like RT, and bot networks). It prioritizes repetition and volume over consistency or objective truth, often using AI-generated content and "troll farms" to mimic local voices.

U.S. Institutional Outreach: The U.S. primarily uses "public diplomacy" through organizations like Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and Voice of America to provide news in regions where information is restricted. Additionally, the U.S. wields massive unintentional propaganda through cultural exports like Hollywood movies, music, and brands, which promote the American lifestyle globally.

3. Relation to Truth
Russia: Frequently employs disinformation deliberately false or misleading information. A common tactic is to mix small amounts of truth with fabricated narratives to make the lies more believable.

United States: Generally adheres to a policy of attribution and factual accuracy in its official public diplomacy to maintain long-term credibility. However, critics point to historical instances of selective "narrative framing" or "spin" to support specific foreign policy objectives.

4. Domestic Control
Russia: The Kremlin maintains tight control over the domestic media landscape, issuing weekly themes or "talking points" to all state-aligned outlets.

United States: The U.S. media environment is decentralized and often critical of its own government. While the government has an influence arm, the First Amendment prevents direct state control over private news organizations.




Why do some Bernie Bros utilize MAGA arguments against Democrats?

While the majority of Bernie Sanders' 2016 and 2020 supporters remained with the Democratic Party, a visible segment has moved toward MAGA arguments. This shift is often attributed to shared populist foundations, where both movements frame the political system as "rigged" by an entrenched elite.

Key Drivers of the Shift

Anti-Establishment Sentiment: Both groups often view the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and centrist leaders as "corrupt" or "establishment tools" who prioritize wealthy donors over the working class.

Economic Protectionism: Former supporters find common ground with MAGA on trade (opposition to NAFTA/TPP) and isolationist foreign policy, arguing that globalist interests have hollowed out American manufacturing.

Identity Politics Backlash: Some former Sanders supporters adopt the MAGA critique of "identity politics," arguing that the Democratic Party's focus on social justice issues alienates the white working class and ignores universal economic struggles.

Horseshoe Theory Dynamics: Political analysts point to Horseshoe Theory, suggesting that the far-left and far-right converge on a shared disdain for the "neoliberal" center and a preference for disruptive, "outsider" leadership.




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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!

She has some good opinions, some not so good.




Context matters.

https://www.mediamatters.org/jesse-watters/fox-news-guest-says-just-world-school-board-members-would-be-thrown-jail-being

She's calling San Diego area school board members criminal groomers for endorsing a gay-themed halloween party for children as young as 5 sponsored by a local gay disco and a sex-change surgery clinic network from SF. That is grooming.



They didn't "endorse" it really, it was posted on some public board the district hosts. And she called for them to go to jail.

Also, no, hosting one event is not grooming. Saying so devalues the real thing.
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!

She has some good opinions, some not so good.




Context matters.

https://www.mediamatters.org/jesse-watters/fox-news-guest-says-just-world-school-board-members-would-be-thrown-jail-being

She's calling San Diego area school board members criminal groomers for endorsing a gay-themed halloween party for children as young as 5 sponsored by a local gay disco and a sex-change surgery clinic network from SF. That is grooming.



They didn't "endorse" it really, it was posted on some public board the district hosts. And she called for them to go to jail.

Also, no, hosting one event is not grooming. Saying so devalues the real thing.


That kind of event does qualify as grooming.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

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Wow, Kyle chose well, way to go Mrs Boller!

She has some good opinions, some not so good.




Context matters.

https://www.mediamatters.org/jesse-watters/fox-news-guest-says-just-world-school-board-members-would-be-thrown-jail-being

She's calling San Diego area school board members criminal groomers for endorsing a gay-themed halloween party for children as young as 5 sponsored by a local gay disco and a sex-change surgery clinic network from SF. That is grooming.



They didn't "endorse" it really, it was posted on some public board the district hosts. And she called for them to go to jail.

Also, no, hosting one event is not grooming. Saying so devalues the real thing.


That kind of event does qualify as grooming.

Explain how. Also explain how the school board should be considered for criminal charges as a result of this event.
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