dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

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So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

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Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

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Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

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OK. And this is why there cannot be thoughtful discussions with you.

You provide your uninformed opinion as a fact that decides the conclusions of the debate.

Ignoring the historical maze in the Middle East, Iraq's role in the cold war, then our role in the Iran-Iraq war, our fragile relationship with Saudi Arabia, the need for influence on oil production controls, Israel-Palestine tension with Iraq supporting Palestine, potential for greater war in Middle East if Iraq was not expelled from Kuwait, and the coalition we had formed. But you conclude that it was an unnecessary war just because you say so.

Same with Panama. The quagmire that had Noriega part of our assets, then not, then corruption, murder, and overturning of an election, drug trade that we had enabled but then tried to end, and then death of one of our soldiers. But you conclude that it was unjustified and that's that. No casualty and elimination of a monster that we admittedly created.

Never mind. You can play your role of some expert that we all know you are not.

calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

---

Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

---

So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

---

Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

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Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

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OK. And this is why there cannot be thoughtful discussions with you.

You provide your uninformed opinion as a fact that decides the conclusions of the debate.

Ignoring the historical maze in the Middle East, Iraq's role in the cold war, then our role in the Iran-Iraq war, our fragile relationship with Saudi Arabia, the need for influence on oil production controls, Israel-Palestine tension with Iraq supporting Palestine, potential for greater war in Middle East if Iraq was not expelled from Kuwait, and the coalition we had formed. But you conclude that it was an unnecessary war just because you say so.

Same with Panama. The quagmire that had Noriega part of our assets, then not, then corruption, murder, and overturning of an election, drug trade that we had enabled but then tried to end, and then death of one of our soldiers. But you conclude that it was unjustified and that's that. No casualty and elimination of a monster that we admittedly created.

Never mind. You can play your role of some expert that we all know you are not.

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Neocon

dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

---

Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

---

So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

---

Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

---

Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

---

OK. And this is why there cannot be thoughtful discussions with you.

You provide your uninformed opinion as a fact that decides the conclusions of the debate.

Ignoring the historical maze in the Middle East, Iraq's role in the cold war, then our role in the Iran-Iraq war, our fragile relationship with Saudi Arabia, the need for influence on oil production controls, Israel-Palestine tension with Iraq supporting Palestine, potential for greater war in Middle East if Iraq was not expelled from Kuwait, and the coalition we had formed. But you conclude that it was an unnecessary war just because you say so.

Same with Panama. The quagmire that had Noriega part of our assets, then not, then corruption, murder, and overturning of an election, drug trade that we had enabled but then tried to end, and then death of one of our soldiers. But you conclude that it was unjustified and that's that. No casualty and elimination of a monster that we admittedly created.

Never mind. You can play your role of some expert that we all know you are not.

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Neocon

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Another common trait shared by the extreme far right (even beyond MAGA) crowd and the far left (including those playing the part in the internet) - calling people who sees the complexity of foreign affairs as neocon. At this point, the far left is just a stone's throw away from fully converting to the Israel hating, nationalist, isolationist far right

calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

---

Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

---

So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

---

I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

---

Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

---

Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

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OK. And this is why there cannot be thoughtful discussions with you.

You provide your uninformed opinion as a fact that decides the conclusions of the debate.

Ignoring the historical maze in the Middle East, Iraq's role in the cold war, then our role in the Iran-Iraq war, our fragile relationship with Saudi Arabia, the need for influence on oil production controls, Israel-Palestine tension with Iraq supporting Palestine, potential for greater war in Middle East if Iraq was not expelled from Kuwait, and the coalition we had formed. But you conclude that it was an unnecessary war just because you say so.

Same with Panama. The quagmire that had Noriega part of our assets, then not, then corruption, murder, and overturning of an election, drug trade that we had enabled but then tried to end, and then death of one of our soldiers. But you conclude that it was unjustified and that's that. No casualty and elimination of a monster that we admittedly created.

Never mind. You can play your role of some expert that we all know you are not.

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Neocon

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Another common trait shared by the extreme far right (even beyond MAGA) crowd and the far left (including those playing the part in the internet) - calling people who sees the complexity of foreign affairs as neocon. At this point, the far left is just a stone's throw away from fully converting to the Israel hating, nationalist, isolationist far right

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You are right. Of course nobody on this board who identifies as far left considers me to be far left. They call me a neocon despite the many differences I have with real neocons.

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

---

Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

---

So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

---

Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

---

Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

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OK. And this is why there cannot be thoughtful discussions with you.

You provide your uninformed opinion as a fact that decides the conclusions of the debate.

Ignoring the historical maze in the Middle East, Iraq's role in the cold war, then our role in the Iran-Iraq war, our fragile relationship with Saudi Arabia, the need for influence on oil production controls, Israel-Palestine tension with Iraq supporting Palestine, potential for greater war in Middle East if Iraq was not expelled from Kuwait, and the coalition we had formed. But you conclude that it was an unnecessary war just because you say so.

Same with Panama. The quagmire that had Noriega part of our assets, then not, then corruption, murder, and overturning of an election, drug trade that we had enabled but then tried to end, and then death of one of our soldiers. But you conclude that it was unjustified and that's that. No casualty and elimination of a monster that we admittedly created.

Never mind. You can play your role of some expert that we all know you are not.

---

Neocon

---

Another common trait shared by the extreme far right (even beyond MAGA) crowd and the far left (including those playing the part in the internet) - calling people who sees the complexity of foreign affairs as neocon. At this point, the far left is just a stone's throw away from fully converting to the Israel hating, nationalist, isolationist far right

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You are right. Of course nobody on this board who identifies as far left considers me to be far left. They call me a neocon despite the many differences I have with real neocons.

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No one claimed you were an actual liberal, much less a far left. I think people who may actually espouse liberal views laugh at your fake far left talk that we all know you don't believe or practice. Just like you calling Obama too fiscally conservative. Laughable you think we believe you believe that. Not sure why you choose to write such inauthentic posts but you do you.

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Vivek is smart and glib, I also liked his idea for the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks (state as their goal to capture/kill the top 100 leaders of Hamas and then try an do that, but no more, if possible).

But the rest of him is lame. Replacement theory? Attacking a former UN Ambassador on foreign policy knowledge?!? Next...


Biden's done a good job, but he should've stopped at one term. The only candidates he's better than are the Republican ones.

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Yesterday, Van Jones called me a “demagogue” for discussing the Great Replacement Theory. Well, here are Van’s words in 2021: “The request from the racial justice left: we want the white majority to go from being a majority to being a minority and like it. That’s a tough request,… pic.twitter.com/yPRvJ2VCUa

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 8, 2023

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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Vivek is smart and glib, I also liked his idea for the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks (state as their goal to capture/kill the top 100 leaders of Hamas and then try an do that, but no more, if possible).

But the rest of him is lame. Replacement theory? Attacking a former UN Ambassador on foreign policy knowledge?!? Next...


Biden's done a good job, but he should've stopped at one term. The only candidates he's better than are the Republican ones.

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When Vivek held up the Nikki = Corrupt sign I was done. That's a Trump move and it reeks of I'll sacrifice my dignity to get elected.

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Or proudly raising his hand again when asked who would vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony endangering our national security. What kind of idiot sees that and thinks that's who should be the head of our country?

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My only guess is that Trump is the guy with the most Republican votes right now. But Trump is old, dumb (in some ways) and a liar/blowhard. What better way to steal some of his supporters than by coming across as a younger, smarter version of Trump?

82gradDLSdad said:

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calbear93 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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Vivek is smart and glib, I also liked his idea for the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks (state as their goal to capture/kill the top 100 leaders of Hamas and then try an do that, but no more, if possible).

But the rest of him is lame. Replacement theory? Attacking a former UN Ambassador on foreign policy knowledge?!? Next...


Biden's done a good job, but he should've stopped at one term. The only candidates he's better than are the Republican ones.

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When Vivek held up the Nikki = Corrupt sign I was done. That's a Trump move and it reeks of I'll sacrifice my dignity to get elected.

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Or proudly raising his hand again when asked who would vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony endangering our national security. What kind of idiot sees that and thinks that's who should be the head of our country?

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My only guess is that Trump is the guy with the most Republican votes right now. But Trump is old, dumb (in some ways) and a liar/blowhard. What better way to steal some of his supporters than by coming across as a younger, smarter version of Trump?

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But people who would vote for that will vote for Trump and not him. People who are turned off by Trump would be turned off by that as well. Seems like he was playing to an audience of one and begging Trump to pick him so that he can be relevant. So FK him.

calbear93 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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calbear93 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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Vivek is smart and glib, I also liked his idea for the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks (state as their goal to capture/kill the top 100 leaders of Hamas and then try an do that, but no more, if possible).

But the rest of him is lame. Replacement theory? Attacking a former UN Ambassador on foreign policy knowledge?!? Next...


Biden's done a good job, but he should've stopped at one term. The only candidates he's better than are the Republican ones.

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When Vivek held up the Nikki = Corrupt sign I was done. That's a Trump move and it reeks of I'll sacrifice my dignity to get elected.

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Or proudly raising his hand again when asked who would vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony endangering our national security. What kind of idiot sees that and thinks that's who should be the head of our country?

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My only guess is that Trump is the guy with the most Republican votes right now. But Trump is old, dumb (in some ways) and a liar/blowhard. What better way to steal some of his supporters than by coming across as a younger, smarter version of Trump?

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But people who would vote for that will vote for Trump and not him. People who are turned off by Trump would be turned off by that as well. Seems like he was playing to an audience of one and begging Trump to pick him so that he can be relevant. So FK him.

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That could very well be likely despite the fact that he was so vehement about not ever taking the VP job because he likes to be in charge. He may just be the type of politician that he rails against.

82gradDLSdad said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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calbear93 said:

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Big C said:

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Vivek is smart and glib, I also liked his idea for the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks (state as their goal to capture/kill the top 100 leaders of Hamas and then try an do that, but no more, if possible).

But the rest of him is lame. Replacement theory? Attacking a former UN Ambassador on foreign policy knowledge?!? Next...


Biden's done a good job, but he should've stopped at one term. The only candidates he's better than are the Republican ones.

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When Vivek held up the Nikki = Corrupt sign I was done. That's a Trump move and it reeks of I'll sacrifice my dignity to get elected.

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Or proudly raising his hand again when asked who would vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony endangering our national security. What kind of idiot sees that and thinks that's who should be the head of our country?

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My only guess is that Trump is the guy with the most Republican votes right now. But Trump is old, dumb (in some ways) and a liar/blowhard. What better way to steal some of his supporters than by coming across as a younger, smarter version of Trump?

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But people who would vote for that will vote for Trump and not him. People who are turned off by Trump would be turned off by that as well. Seems like he was playing to an audience of one and begging Trump to pick him so that he can be relevant. So FK him.

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That could very well be likely despite the fact that he was so vehement about not ever taking the VP job because he likes to be in charge. He may just be the type of politician that he rails against.

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He may have been vehement about this, but he doesn't strike me as someone of high character who says what he believes.

An awesome pledge from Vivek, one every candidate should make

It’s time to hold Epstein’s clients accountable pic.twitter.com/MI9kwRqSFb

— Will Tanner (@Will_Tanner_1) December 9, 2023

Speaking of Bill Clinton, how many times did he visit Epstein's island?
And how man times did Epstein visit the Clinton White House?

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Vivek may have ended Niki Haley's political career last night.

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Dunno, but he ended his own.

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Technically, he doesn't have one yet.

I'd like to see a debate between Vivac Ramaswami and Swami Beyondananda

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I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

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Maybe in this thread

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/110689/65

Or this one?

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118237/replies/2267809#2267809

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114668/replies/2203925#2203925

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/116408

You spoke on Vivek in all 4 threads. Multiple pages in the first two.

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Thanks. Sorry if I bothered you. I was looking for the one where I first brought up his name and couldn't find it.

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You didn't bother me.
I was trying to help you find what you were looking for, or thinking of.

I didn't bother to get into any of the Vivek discussion because I consider him to be an idiot (haven't we already had this discussion?) and there's nothing I can do to convince anyone who falls for trump or Vivek or….

Currently listening to Star Talk with two more intelligent and honest human beings:

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

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Thanks Tom. I thought I had started one on him when hardly anyone knew about him. I was going to add to that one (if I'd even started one like that). Anyway, I'm done with him. I really don't want Trump Jr. even though he's definitely a lot smarter, younger and seemingly more law abiding than Trump.

Maybe in this thread

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/110689/65

Or this one?

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118237/replies/2267809#2267809

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114668/replies/2203925#2203925

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/116408

You spoke on Vivek in all 4 threads. Multiple pages in the first two.

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Thanks. Sorry if I bothered you. I was looking for the one where I first brought up his name and couldn't find it.

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You didn't bother me.
I was trying to help you find what you were looking for, or thinking of.

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What timing…

At the 9 minute mark, in comparing humans to chimpanzees, Yuval asks, "what makes it possible for humans to cooperate?
It's the ability to invent and believe in fictional stories."

In links he talks about how the most powerful fictional stories are religion and economics (because money has no tangible value that no other animal would choose money over an apple).

An internet search for Harari an "fictional stories" yields various additional conversations:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/what-makes-humans-different-fiction-and-cooperation-180953986/

Far more intriguing than wrecking ball blow hard Vivek.

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Democrats dropped the term, Bidenomics. What remains is Bidenflation.

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Really?



Savers beat inflation:

https://images.axios.com/Ogc3-s11FXLVkAXAz1tvMkge-u0=/0x0:1600x900/1920x1080/2023/12/04/1701721733494.png

Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I don't know why you say that. The American people want fiscal responsibility. They have voted for fiscally responsible Democrats for President in 7 of the last 8 elections.

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The only person that I sort of trust in that group is Christie, not that he isn't problematic but I would shrug my shoulders and think that we will have some stability. I think Haley is the least dangerous of the rest of the GOP and most likely would move to the center and also govern like a normal person. No one else is even close - they are just a bunch of clowns who have no business being near the white house.

It's funny if you think back only 10-20 years ago, the GOP used to care about the economy and prize stability. Those days are long gone.

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• Chris Christie recommended Chris Wray to Trump for FBI Director.
• Chris Wray's FBI had Hunter's laptop since late 2019 and did nothing about it.
• 51 former intel officials said the Hunter laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
• FBI had internal reports stating that wasn't true.
• Instead, the FBI leaked to the press that there was some credibility to that.