Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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The only person that I sort of trust in that group is Christie, not that he isn't problematic but I would shrug my shoulders and think that we will have some stability. I think Haley is the least dangerous of the rest of the GOP and most likely would move to the center and also govern like a normal person. No one else is even close - they are just a bunch of clowns who have no business being near the white house.

It's funny if you think back only 10-20 years ago, the GOP used to care about the economy and prize stability. Those days are long gone.

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• Chris Christie recommended Chris Wray to Trump for FBI Director.
• Chris Wray's FBI had Hunter's laptop since late 2019 and did nothing about it.
• 51 former intel officials said the Hunter laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
• FBI had internal reports stating that wasn't true.
• Instead, the FBI leaked to the press that there was some credibility to that.

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Funny how Trump's bad appointees are never Trump's fault. It's always someone else's fault. The buck never stops at Trump's desk.

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Of course Trump is responsible. He should hold them accountable if he gets back into office. Why isn't Biden or the Democrats holding these Trump appointed Republican officials accountable?

Big C said:

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I totally agree.

The masses of republicans are not facing the truth on trump and Trumpism.

The masses of ALL are not facing the truth on basic finances.

It'll all end badly for America.

Big C said:

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Biden's done a good job, but he should've stopped at one term. The only candidates he's better than are the Republican ones.

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Bingo.

bear2034 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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The only person that I sort of trust in that group is Christie, not that he isn't problematic but I would shrug my shoulders and think that we will have some stability. I think Haley is the least dangerous of the rest of the GOP and most likely would move to the center and also govern like a normal person. No one else is even close - they are just a bunch of clowns who have no business being near the white house.

It's funny if you think back only 10-20 years ago, the GOP used to care about the economy and prize stability. Those days are long gone.

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• Chris Christie recommended Chris Wray to Trump for FBI Director.
• Chris Wray's FBI had Hunter's laptop since late 2019 and did nothing about it.
• 51 former intel officials said the Hunter laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
• FBI had internal reports stating that wasn't true.
• Instead, the FBI leaked to the press that there was some credibility to that.

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Funny how Trump's bad appointees are never Trump's fault. It's always someone else's fault. The buck never stops at Trump's desk.

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Of course Trump is responsible. He should hold them accountable if he gets back into office.

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That'll never happen, provided Trump is first held accountable.

concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I totally agree.

The masses of republicans are not facing the truth on trump and Trumpism.

The masses of ALL are not facing the truth on basic finances.

It'll all end badly for America.

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Are you my friend Jim from Casper's hot dogs.

Unit2Sucks said:

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bear2034 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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The only person that I sort of trust in that group is Christie, not that he isn't problematic but I would shrug my shoulders and think that we will have some stability. I think Haley is the least dangerous of the rest of the GOP and most likely would move to the center and also govern like a normal person. No one else is even close - they are just a bunch of clowns who have no business being near the white house.

It's funny if you think back only 10-20 years ago, the GOP used to care about the economy and prize stability. Those days are long gone.

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• Chris Christie recommended Chris Wray to Trump for FBI Director.
• Chris Wray's FBI had Hunter's laptop since late 2019 and did nothing about it.
• 51 former intel officials said the Hunter laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
• FBI had internal reports stating that wasn't true.
• Instead, the FBI leaked to the press that there was some credibility to that.

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Christie wasn't the only person who recommended Wray and Wray has done a good job. People like you infantilize Trump and don't think he is capable of making even the smallest decision yet you still vote for him.

Christie would be a far more stable POTUS than Trump but the GOP base no longer holds any meaningful values and is fully on board with Trump's revenge tour.

You guys are obsessed with Hunter Biden (his hog, his stolen computer, etc.) because you know Trump has never had a chance of winning on his own. He's always needed a deus ex machina. In 2016, Comey provided it and you guys think Hunter will do it in 2024. Good luck with that lol. Maybe try licking a less awful candidate - you could choose literally anyone else. Even Vivek and perhaps increase your chances from 0%.

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At the end of the day, Wray (irrespective of who recommended who to whom) was appointed by Trump. If the person at the top has no accountability for the actions he takes, why are they the decision makers and why do they get credit for the good things that happen?

Also, it is a bizarro world where truly conservative folks like Wray are equally hated by the extremes on the left and the right, and the liberals are the ones who are defending conservatives like Wray. At a certain point, you have to wonder if people who follow everything Trump does would pledge to be a socialist if Trump, during a 3 am ranting and with auto-correct, claimed he was a socialist.

Law and order, the thing that conservatives used to like, is about principles and enforcing the law (including not prosecuting when there isn't evidence) despite the pressure from special interest groups and politicians. So odd to me that these people who claim to be conservatives and hug flags and stop watching football because someone kneeled during the anthem mock true military heroes, prevent strong military by holding up military promotions, attack police during the storming of government, hate the FBI and CIA (maybe the far right and the far left are both truly communists), and ask to defund the federal police. So damn weird.

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I totally agree.

The masses of republicans are not facing the truth on trump and Trumpism.

The masses of ALL are not facing the truth on basic finances.

It'll all end badly for America.

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Are you my friend Jim from Casper's hot dogs.

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You eat at Casper's??
You eat hot dogs?????

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I totally agree.

The masses of republicans are not facing the truth on trump and Trumpism.

The masses of ALL are not facing the truth on basic finances.

It'll all end badly for America.

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Are you my friend Jim from Casper's hot dogs.

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You eat at Casper's??
You eat hot dogs?????

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My wife and I eat there all the time prior to our walks in SF. With cheese, no buns. I get two. I eat everything. 6'3" 230 (on my bad days).

dajo9 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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bear2034 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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The only person that I sort of trust in that group is Christie, not that he isn't problematic but I would shrug my shoulders and think that we will have some stability. I think Haley is the least dangerous of the rest of the GOP and most likely would move to the center and also govern like a normal person. No one else is even close - they are just a bunch of clowns who have no business being near the white house.

It's funny if you think back only 10-20 years ago, the GOP used to care about the economy and prize stability. Those days are long gone.

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• Chris Christie recommended Chris Wray to Trump for FBI Director.
• Chris Wray's FBI had Hunter's laptop since late 2019 and did nothing about it.
• 51 former intel officials said the Hunter laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
• FBI had internal reports stating that wasn't true.
• Instead, the FBI leaked to the press that there was some credibility to that.

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Christie wasn't the only person who recommended Wray and Wray has done a good job. People like you infantilize Trump and don't think he is capable of making even the smallest decision yet you still vote for him.

Christie would be a far more stable POTUS than Trump but the GOP base no longer holds any meaningful values and is fully on board with Trump's revenge tour.

You guys are obsessed with Hunter Biden (his hog, his stolen computer, etc.) because you know Trump has never had a chance of winning on his own. He's always needed a deus ex machina. In 2016, Comey provided it and you guys think Hunter will do it in 2024. Good luck with that lol. Maybe try licking a less awful candidate - you could choose literally anyone else. Even Vivek and perhaps increase your chances from 0%.

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Before Trump it was pretty scandalous that a governor (Christie) would shut down a major freeway / bridge onramp to create a massive traffic jam and wreck a towns ability to move around and function normally in order to punish a mayor for political reasons. Christie is trash. He's just not a fascist.

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If the worst about Christie is that he had an underling clog up traffic as political retribution, while the worst about Trump is that he tried to commit an illegal minimally violent coup d'etat in rejection of election results, while Christie regularly calls out the bigger sin, I'd say the score is:

1000 Christie
-1000 Trumpists.

All sins forgiven if he's gonna save democracy!!!

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I totally agree.

The masses of republicans are not facing the truth on trump and Trumpism.

The masses of ALL are not facing the truth on basic finances.

It'll all end badly for America.

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Are you my friend Jim from Casper's hot dogs.

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You eat at Casper's??
You eat hot dogs?????

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My wife and I eat there all the time prior to our walks in SF. With cheese, no buns. I get two. I eat everything. 6'3" 230 (on my bad days).

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No known association with seizures, but heart attacks and Alzheimer's, yes!!

Have a kale blueberry smoothie instead!

dimitrig said:

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These people are not conservatives. They are anarchists.

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And they don't know it.

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Let's face it: Politicians nowadays who seriously want to make an effort to balance the federal budget and maybe even trim the national debt have little chance of being elected or getting reelected. And as we become ever more of an instant-gratification society, our fiscal situation is only going to get worse.

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I totally agree.

The masses of republicans are not facing the truth on trump and Trumpism.

The masses of ALL are not facing the truth on basic finances.

It'll all end badly for America.

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Are you my friend Jim from Casper's hot dogs.

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You eat at Casper's??
You eat hot dogs?????

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My wife and I eat there all the time prior to our walks in SF. With cheese, no buns. I get two. I eat everything. 6'3" 230 (on my bad days).

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No known association with seizures, but heart attacks and Alzheimer's, yes!!

Have a kale blueberry smoothie instead!

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Are you Shocky too?

Try calling quickbooks for further assistance.

concordtom said:

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Try calling quickbooks for further assistance.

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Yah, what are those posts all about. Some BI hacker? Maybe a BI QuickBooks investor trying to increase numbers?

There were 4 of them, all gone now.
Some weird spam auto post.

dimitrig said:

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These people are not conservatives. They are anarchists.

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Anarchist-fascists? How does that work?

dimitrig said:

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bear2034 said:

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dimitrig said:

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These people are not conservatives. They are anarchists.

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Anarchist-fascists? How does that work?

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"When you come down to it, Republicans are really anarchists dedicated to undermining government in the furtherance of an economic state of nature where the rich rule. What we saw these past few weeks was not the failure of Republicanism, as so many pronounced on Friday, but its logical and inevitable conclusion. Republicans are great at opposing things, destroying things, obstructing things, undoing things. They are really, really terrible at creating things because they have no desire to do so."

Link:
https://billmoyers.com/story/forget-fascism-anarchy-we-have-to-worry-about/

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Last night, President Trump gave a keynote speech in a gala in the very same room where Hillary Clinton declared his supporters 'deplorables'

Her world is dying

Our world is just beginning pic.twitter.com/xpV2cMYhDE

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 11, 2023

Let's see if the anarchist label gains mainstream traction. When cults move, they do so in unison.

bear2034 said:

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dimitrig said:

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bear2034 said:

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dimitrig said:

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These people are not conservatives. They are anarchists.

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Anarchist-fascists? How does that work?

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"When you come down to it, Republicans are really anarchists dedicated to undermining government in the furtherance of an economic state of nature where the rich rule. What we saw these past few weeks was not the failure of Republicanism, as so many pronounced on Friday, but its logical and inevitable conclusion. Republicans are great at opposing things, destroying things, obstructing things, undoing things. They are really, really terrible at creating things because they have no desire to do so."

Link:
https://billmoyers.com/story/forget-fascism-anarchy-we-have-to-worry-about/

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Last night, President Trump gave a keynote speech in a gala in the very same room where Hillary Clinton declared his supporters 'deplorables'

Her world is dying

Our world is just beginning pic.twitter.com/xpV2cMYhDE

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 11, 2023

Let's see if the anarchist label gains mainstream traction. When cults move, they do so in unison.

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Y'all declared Hillary to be about to die in in 2016. How'd that work out? She's younger than Trump by the way.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Y'all declared Hillary to be about to die in in 2016.

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Y'all need better English.

bear2034 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Y'all declared Hillary to be about to die in in 2016.

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Y'all need better English.

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Sorry, but we're stuck with the English and Good King Chuck, a sour old soul.

bear2034 said:

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dimitrig said:

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bear2034 said:

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dimitrig said:

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These people are not conservatives. They are anarchists.

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Anarchist-fascists? How does that work?

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"When you come down to it, Republicans are really anarchists dedicated to undermining government in the furtherance of an economic state of nature where the rich rule. What we saw these past few weeks was not the failure of Republicanism, as so many pronounced on Friday, but its logical and inevitable conclusion. Republicans are great at opposing things, destroying things, obstructing things, undoing things. They are really, really terrible at creating things because they have no desire to do so."

Link:
https://billmoyers.com/story/forget-fascism-anarchy-we-have-to-worry-about/

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Last night, President Trump gave a keynote speech in a gala in the very same room where Hillary Clinton declared his supporters 'deplorables'

Her world is dying

Our world is just beginning pic.twitter.com/xpV2cMYhDE

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 11, 2023

Let's see if the anarchist label gains mainstream traction. When cults move, they do so in unison.

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That Moyers article is from 2017.

Look how desperate CNN and @abbydphillip are to protect the FBI.

She'll barely let Vivek speak because FBI entrapment -- which has been going on for decades -- still is, and CNN hides that.

NYT: "Among Those Who Marched Into the Capitol on Jan. 6: An F.B.I. Informant." https://t.co/Zzjrhuc3CF

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 14, 2023

Even the NYT has repeatedly reported what CNN is desperate to deny: the FBI had informants not only in the groups they said led the Jan 6 riot, but also had informants at the Capitol on that day. Here, the NYT: pic.twitter.com/mrxfK50C1x

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 14, 2023

dimitrig said:

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This whole angle of January 6th being part of a plot by the FBI to frame peaceful protestors is bizarre.

If it was true Trump could have done something about it or at least said something but he watched it all play out with his tacit approval.

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It's even more bizarre that the corporate media and the political establishment have framed January 6th as an insurrection that was instigated by Trump.

dimitrig said:

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As far as the Whitmer thing, the defense was that these guys were just talking about kidnapping Whitmer and blowing up bridges but it was just the kind of banter that normal people engage in. You know, buying night vision goggles for $4K and creating and detonating IEDs. Just normal guy stuff.

There were 9 convictions. The leader was sentenced to 19 years in prison. Only in a right wing bubble does that equate to a fake kidnapping plot.

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It's interesting you brought up Whitmer. Did you know the head of the Detroit FBI field office overseeing the Whitmer case was then transferred to run the DC FBI field office and overseeing the 1/6 investigation?

bearister said:

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I think you should donate heavily to an Innocence Project to help free the innocent Deplorables picking dingleberries out of their rear ends that were convicted by juries and sent to prison for the January 6 Insurrection and Whitmer kidnapping plot.

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I think you should try keeping up with Concordtom and read 10 more Trump books before the year ends.