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bearister said:

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Because she isn't old, stupid, dangerous, delusional, a business fraud, a tax cheat, devoid of empathy, a seditionist, a traitor, a sexual abuser, a horrible parent, a racist, a serial liar, a pretend Christian, hateful, a mocker of the disabled or a criminal. I guess you're right, because she isn't tRump.

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Haley is by far the most dangerous candidate out there, as she is completely beholden to AIPAC. She will rubber-stamp any new war Netanyahu wants,

Past US presidents have reined in Israel, including Eisenhower, JFK, Carter, Reagan, Bush sr and even Obama, but Haley has shown zero daylight between her policies and those of the neocons, with Haley you'd be getting Dubya-Cheney foreign policy on steroids.

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Vivek expounds on a very dark, yet disturbingly plausible theory about the true purpose of Nikki Haley in the 2024 race

Every concerned citizen should watch these clips pic.twitter.com/osqJ0S1mDK

— Darren J. Beattie 🌐 (@DarrenJBeattie) January 9, 2024

🚨 WOW 🚨

Vivek FLIPS script on Reporters, leaving media STUNNED by simply asking:

- 'Did you lie about Trump-Russia collusion?'

[SILENCE]

- 'Is Hunter Biden's laptop Russian disinformation?'

[SILENCE]

- 'Did COVID leak from the Wuhan lab?'

[SILENCE]

Just WATCH: pic.twitter.com/yZBCnCCN1M

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 10, 2024

calbear93 said:

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Genocide Joe said:

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bear2034 said:

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What is it about Nikki Haley that impressed you besides the fact she's not Trump?

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What is it that I like about Haley? She is not bat**** crazy playing the populist angle saying stupid things just to cater to angry voters who are deciding who will be the next bat**** crazy leader because they are angry. She was effective as a governor and as our UN Ambassador.

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Remember folks, what matters in picking a leader is not whether they support policies that will improve your life. It's whether they have good manners as they funnel your tax dollars into wars you don't want and bailouts for their rich friends.

Your support for Haley is unconvincing, other than that she's a Republican who isn't Trump.

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Quite frankly, you are projecting your populist propaganda onto others.

Respect for the constitution and our rule of law is not good manners. It used to be just an assumption. Now, with populists taking over, it's a liability.

And who wants war? It's like saying people like putting others in prison. No, we don't. But we need deterrence and we need to use force at times to stop further instability. When our interests and world order are threatened and instability created by bad actors, I am in favor of taking military actions. Just because you want us to put up walls and pretend that we can live as isolationists as if the rest of the world doesn't exist doesn't mean that's what everyone wants or that's even even feasible. And frankly, I have no idea what you stand for. No wars? Great. Let's add end of hunger, end of poverty, and end of crime. I all for it. But how?

And bailout for rich friends? Look, I don't want to get into a discussion on economics with folks with populists tilt because, one, they don't really know how finances work and, two, it all becomes about class warfare. That's not interesting to me.

I generally support conservative policies. Trump is more an 80s Bernie Sanders than a true conservative, mixed in with other populist heroes like George Wallace. No thanks.

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The Christie live stream has Christie on a mic here:
Haley is going to get “smoked…She’s not up to this.”
He’s right but people “don’t want to hear it.”
DeSantis called him “petrified” (Christie’s description) pic.twitter.com/a4HmXrN2vj

— Alex Thompson (@AlexThomp) January 10, 2024

The DeSantis-Haley debate is gripping television. Like a really, really angry version of the Pan Am Games Bronze Medal field hockey match.

— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) January 11, 2024

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bearister said:

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Because she isn't old, stupid, dangerous, delusional, a business fraud, a tax cheat, devoid of empathy, a seditionist, a traitor, a sexual abuser, a horrible parent, a racist, a serial liar, a pretend Christian, hateful, a mocker of the disabled or a criminal. I guess you're right, because she isn't tRump.

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Haley is by far the most dangerous candidate out there, as she is completely beholden to AIPAC. She will rubber-stamp any new war Netanyahu wants,

Past US presidents have reined in Israel, including Eisenhower, JFK, Carter, Reagan, Bush sr and even Obama, but Haley has shown zero daylight between her policies and those of the neocons, with Haley you'd be getting Dubya-Cheney foreign policy on steroids.

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NEW: Chris Christie allegedly caught on "hot mic" talking about the Republican primaries, telling reporters that Nikki Haley is "going to get smoked."

He also claimed DeSantis called him on the phone and was "petrified."

"[Haley] spent 68 million so far just on TV... 59… pic.twitter.com/z3XMY94XdQ

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 10, 2024

People drowning in student debt should do what Nikki Haley did: monetize their government connections to go on the board of Boeing, and then lavishly enrich themselves giving speeches to pro-war DC think tanks and advocacy groups, and then pay off their loans. https://t.co/O5xS96XEnf

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 12, 2024

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

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So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

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Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

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Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

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What did Obama ever fight for, beyond ObamaCare? Didn't campaign a lot down the ticket, from what I recall. Left the DNC buried in debt. Didn't pass prison reform or close the border. But he and Holder did take the Patriot Act from Bush Jr., and weaponize our intell agencies against American citizens and opponents.

Noem takes down Birdbrain (Nikki Haley); VP candidate?

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In the interview, Kristi Noem talked about "getting work done", but it seemed to be in a different context than the elephant in the room: the work she appears to recently have had done on her lips.

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movielover said:

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Big C said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

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So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

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Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

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Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

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What did Obama ever fight for, beyond ObamaCare? Didn't campaign a lot down the ticket, from what I recall. Left the DNC buried in debt. Didn't pass prison reform or close the border. But he and Holder did take the Patriot Act from Bush Jr., and weaponize our intell agencies against American citizens and opponents.

Noem takes down Birdbrain (Nikki Haley); VP candidate?

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In the interview, Kristi Noem talked about "getting work done", but it seemed to be in a different context than the elephant in the room: the work she appears to recently have had done on her lips.

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Sounds sexist. She has a soft, yet strong, touch. I think a lot of women would find that appealing, and she can clearly articulate her message, unlike the current hapless & inarticulate VP.

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Vivek Ramaswamy drops out of the GOP primary and immediately endorses Donald Trump for President. pic.twitter.com/f2cpJDGJJQ

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 16, 2024

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Genocide Joe said:

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calbear93 said:

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Genocide Joe said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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What is it about Nikki Haley that impressed you besides the fact she's not Trump?

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What is it that I like about Haley? She is not bat**** crazy playing the populist angle saying stupid things just to cater to angry voters who are deciding who will be the next bat**** crazy leader because they are angry. She was effective as a governor and as our UN Ambassador.

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Remember folks, what matters in picking a leader is not whether they support policies that will improve your life. It's whether they have good manners as they funnel your tax dollars into wars you don't want and bailouts for their rich friends.

Your support for Haley is unconvincing, other than that she's a Republican who isn't Trump.

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Quite frankly, you are projecting your populist propaganda onto others.

Respect for the constitution and our rule of law is not good manners. It used to be just an assumption. Now, with populists taking over, it's a liability.

And who wants war? It's like saying people like putting others in prison. No, we don't. But we need deterrence and we need to use force at times to stop further instability. When our interests and world order are threatened and instability created by bad actors, I am in favor of taking military actions. Just because you want us to put up walls and pretend that we can live as isolationists as if the rest of the world doesn't exist doesn't mean that's what everyone wants or that's even even feasible. And frankly, I have no idea what you stand for. No wars? Great. Let's add end of hunger, end of poverty, and end of crime. I all for it. But how?

And bailout for rich friends? Look, I don't want to get into a discussion on economics with folks with populists tilt because, one, they don't really know how finances work and, two, it all becomes about class warfare. That's not interesting to me.

I generally support conservative policies. Trump is more an 80s Bernie Sanders than a true conservative, mixed in with other populist heroes like George Wallace. No thanks.

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The Christie live stream has Christie on a mic here:
Haley is going to get “smoked…She’s not up to this.”
He’s right but people “don’t want to hear it.”
DeSantis called him “petrified” (Christie’s description) pic.twitter.com/a4HmXrN2vj

— Alex Thompson (@AlexThomp) January 10, 2024

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I like Christie and I am glad that he was the one person running who mercilessly attacked Trump.

But I would not take Christie's comments as some unveiling of some truth.

Christie is the one who first endorsed Trump after dropping out in 2016, left the race early every time he ran, and says we need someone other than Trump but won't endorse anyone to help.

If we are dealing with reality, there are only three serious candidates in the Republican primary as we had predicted after the last larger debate. It's Haley, DeSantis, and Trump. If we are against Trump and against Trump vs. Biden, what is the realistic alternative to that? Forget burying our head in the sand or expecting some miracle, who is the one candidate that will not be bat**** crazy when in office, is not a populist putting up stupid things that will get cheers but will never be implemented, and who can beat Biden?

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..Trump won but I'm sure he's throwing ketchup plates at walls right now..

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