bearister said:What did he lose? Your respect and admiration? Well, that right there is what they call a crying shame. He may need counseling.bear2034 said:
By bringing in Putin and Trump into this, don't you know you automatically lost?
calumnus said:
Assuming it is true,
wc22 said:
This is a perfect example of why the public has such low trust in the media.
"Journalist here, 10 years ago Aaron told me something crazy in a private conversation. Thought I would write a story about today of all days."
wc22 said:
No, seriously, how is Trump associated with being anti-vaccine when he has only said positive things about the COVID vaccines for three straight years and taken credit for them? That is really weird. How does that happen? How do so many "well informed" people think the Trump has his exact opposite of the views?
calumnus said:bear2034 said:calumnus said:So at least you agree that it would be really vile to believe and spread Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, right?bear2034 said:sycasey said:okaydo said:BREAKING from me & @PamelaBrownCNN:
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) March 13, 2024
RFK Jr.’s VP prospect Aaron Rodgers has shared false Sandy Hook conspiracy theories in private conversationshttps://t.co/W1eCJ8XnSD
This seems bad.
When okaydo posts Jake Tapper tweets about private conversations, maybe not.
Russia, Russia, Putin, Trump, Putin, Russia?
Trump just hosted his and Putin's buddy and fellow dictator at Mar a Lago this week:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna142774
Orban himself said Trump told him he would cut off all funding to Ukraine.
No, you really are living in a false reality: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+on+covid+vaccinescalumnus said:wc22 said:
No, seriously, how is Trump associated with being anti-vaccine when he has only said positive things about the COVID vaccines for three straight years and taken credit for them? That is really weird. How does that happen? How do so many "well informed" people think the Trump has his exact opposite of the views?
More red herrings. Trump was anti-mask, anti-quarantine (refusing to have a federal policy and even encouraging armed opposition against state policies) and helped fan the flames of the virus that killed 1.2 million Americans, far more deaths than any other country and more than all the Americans killed in every war combined. He did push for fast tracking of the vaccines (Operation Warp Speed) which I give him credit for.
However, the vaccines did not come out until Biden was president so Trump's base turned against the vaccines, invented conspiracies around them and blamed and still blame Biden and Faucci for their imagined issues with the vaccines that actually ended the pandemic. After mentioning vaccines and getting booed by his base, Trump now distanced himself from the vaccines in order to keep throwing red meat to his base. The question to ask is why do so many of Trump's supporters who think the vaccines were horrible not hold him accountable for their imagined horrors?
Here’s all the dumb shit Aaron Rodgers recently said on a conspiracy theory podcast https://t.co/wtBu2Uol4P pic.twitter.com/Ar04aWCPjF
— Awful Announcing (@awfulannouncing) March 14, 2024
I see. And you know this how?wc22 said:I like this shift. "Sensible people" replacing "Moral people" is a good start. You are neither.blungld said:With sensible people.wc22 said:
Tainted his reputation with whom?
A quick open letter to NY Jets quarterback and massive weirdo Aaron Rodgers, from me, an attorney who for many years represented several Sandy Hook parents... 🧵https://t.co/nAHjQoZxvk
— Mark Bankston (@BankstonAtLaw) March 14, 2024
As I’m on the record saying in the past, what happened in Sandy Hook was an absolute tragedy. I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place. Again, I hope that we learn from this and other tragedies to identify the signs that will allow us to…
— Aaron Rodgers (@AaronRodgers12) March 14, 2024
Living 15 minutes from Sandy Hook when it happened and knowing the parents and kids there, including some who lost their child, any of the pro-gun or crisis actor Sandy Hook conspiracy is horrifying and disgusting and insight to a media stream that has lost touch with reality and attaches itself malignantly to the cancer of the American system.westcoastdude said:
A very good Twitter (X) thread from one of the Sandy Hook lawyers on the crazy stuff Qarron spews.A quick open letter to NY Jets quarterback and massive weirdo Aaron Rodgers, from me, an attorney who for many years represented several Sandy Hook parents... 🧵https://t.co/nAHjQoZxvk
— Mark Bankston (@BankstonAtLaw) March 14, 2024
Kinda missing the point. Trump is pro-vax. Part of his base is not. And RFK Jr. appeals to that part of his base. We don't know if RFK Jr. is going to take more votes from Biden or Trump. Also, there are plenty of Democrats that are anti-COVID Mandates and even outright anti-Vax. You simplify things in such a way that I don't think you even care about the issues as much as hating on "typical Republican voters", or some other inaccurate category of people you have in your head.philly1121 said:
Before you go full tin foil red hat brigade, we should remember Operation Warp Speed. Yes, Trump was president when that happened. He should get credit for it. The vaccine didn't actually come out until December 2020. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines anyway. But since then, Trump has rarely spoken about it. When he used to mention the vaccine at his rally's - the crowd would boo.
I recall he was asked about this on Fox News Bret Baer's show as to why he doesn't tout it more. He said he doesn't because its not popular. Its not popular with his base. He was booed on stage when he revealed he got a covid booster shot. Since Biden's election, Republicans have been decidedly anti-vax - simply because Dems support vaccinations.
So, yes, one can say that Trump is pro-vax. But he doesn't even mention the one thing (in my opinion) his administration did right with Op Warp Speed. But his supporters are overwhelmingly anti-vax; they're anti-public health and their paranoia has spawned multiple conspiracy theories about the vaccine that have zero merit. So who do you blame for that? Trump or his supporters?
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Even though many conspiracy theories seem to provide clarity or a supposed secret truth about confusing events, a need for closure or a sense of control were not the strongest motivators to endorse conspiracy theories. Instead, the researchers found some evidence that people were more likely to believe specific conspiracy theories when they were motivated by social relationships. For instance, participants who perceived social threats were more likely to believe in events-based conspiracy theories, such as the theory that the U.S. government planned the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, rather than an abstract theory that, in general, governments plan to harm their citizens to retain power.
"These results largely map onto a recent theoretical framework advancing that social identity motives may give rise to being drawn to the content of a conspiracy theory, whereas people who are motivated by a desire to feel unique are more likely to believe in general conspiracy theories about how the world works," according to Bowes.
The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.
okaydo said:
Rodgers told reporters he was "immunized."As I’m on the record saying in the past, what happened in Sandy Hook was an absolute tragedy. I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place. Again, I hope that we learn from this and other tragedies to identify the signs that will allow us to…
— Aaron Rodgers (@AaronRodgers12) March 14, 2024
Anarchistbear said:
The last thing the American people care about in 2024 is Covid or vaccines. Trump and Biden are the two most unpopular candidates in US history. Running against them with vaccines as a major issue buys you nothing but the usual cranks. Let's hope Cornel West is smarter
Everyone knowing he was lying doesn't mean he wasn't lying. It became clear after he came down with COVID in 2021 that it was his first infection and that his "immunization" was like a visit to a homeopathic doctor or something. You still see disingenuous people defending him by inventing facts like that his "immunization" was from prior infection when that is known not to be the case.wc22 said:
The people who thought Immunized meant vaccinated were dumb. It was obviously a code word for some woo woo stuff.
I think most people who claim "Aaron is a liar! He lied about being vaccinated!" know he didn't. It is performative.
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In November 2021, Rodgers tested positive for COVID. It became obvious at that point, based on the protocols that applied to him after testing positive, that he had not been vaccinated. That prompted many to revisit his comments from earlier in the year, when he was asked by reporters if he's been vaccinated.
"Yeah, I've been immunized," Rodgers said.
He later admitted that he deliberately misled reporters, waiting for one of them to ask whether "yeah, I've been immunized" means "yes, I've been vaccinated" or something else. When they didn't, he never bothered to say he hadn't been vaccinated.
Fast forward to Tuesday, when McAfee made in clear jest a reference to the argument that Rodgers lied when he said he was "immunized." McAfee was having some fun. Rodgers couldn't let it go.
"Do they still not understand why I said 'immunized'"? Rodgers said. "Do they know that I was in an appeal process? Not to mention, like, I don't know what you would call it if you go to a homeopathic doctor and you get taken to an immunization process, what do you say you are?"
Again, that's not the point. He was asked if he was vaccinated. He said, "Yeah, I've been immunized." He didn't say, "No, I've been immunized."
westcoastdude said:
A very good Twitter (X) thread from one of the Sandy Hook lawyers on the crazy stuff Qarron spews.
And the vaccine nazis lost their minds.okaydo said:
Rodgers told reporters he was "immunized."
I think you're confused. Trump is pro-Trump and often that means holding wildly inconsistent beliefs.wc22 said:
No, seriously, how is Trump associated with being anti-vaccine when he has only said positive things about the COVID vaccines for three straight years and taken credit for them? That is really weird. How does that happen? How do so many "well informed" people think the Trump has his exact opposite of the views?
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2007:
"When I was growing up, autism wasn't really a factor," he told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in a 2007 interview. "And now all of a sudden, it's an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We're giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children."
At a press briefing about the fund-raiser, Mr. Trump talked about vaccinating his son, Barron, then almost 2: "What we've done with Barron, we've taken him on a very slow process. He gets one shot at a time then we wait a few months and give him another shot, the old-fashioned way."
2009:
"I think the vaccines can be very dangerous. And, obviously, you know, a lot of people are talking about vaccines with children with respect to autism."
Later in the interview Mr. Trump said that if his children got sick, he would keep them at home from school:
"But I don't think I would inject them with all sorts of vaccines that, really, nobody even right now knows if it works with respect to what they're what they're looking at right now, Neil."
2012:
On Autism Awareness Day in April, Mr. Trump called in to Fox and Friends. The hosts noted that most physicians disagreed with his theory that vaccines cause autism.
"Well, it's also very controversial to even say, but I couldn't care less. I mean, I've seen people, where they have a perfectly healthy child, and they go for the vaccinations, and a month later the child is no longer healthy."
He continued: "It happened to somebody that worked for me recently. I mean, they had this beautiful child, not a problem in the world, and all of a sudden, they go in, they get this monster shot you ever see the size of it? It's like they're pumping in, you know it's terrible, the amount, and they pump this into this little body, and then all of a sudden the child is different a month later. And I strongly believe that's it."
That same year, Mr. Trump was tweeting those views.
2015:
During a CNN debate among Republican presidential candidates that September, Mr. Trump said he supported vaccinations generally, but again disputed the early childhood schedule and cited a child of someone who worked for him:
"If you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump … I mean, it looks just like it's meant for a horse, not for a child, and we've had so many instances, people that work for me, just the other day, 2 years old, 2 years old, a child, a beautiful child, went to have the vaccine and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."
A month later, Mr. Trump called in to the "Opie With Jim Norton" radio show. He was asked if he got the flu shot every year. Mr. Trump replied:
"I've never had one and that's why I've never had the flu. I don't like the idea of injecting bad stuff into your body, which is basically what they do."
bear2034 said:Anarchistbear said:
The last thing the American people care about in 2024 is Covid or vaccines. Trump and Biden are the two most unpopular candidates in US history. Running against them with vaccines as a major issue buys you nothing but the usual cranks. Let's hope Cornel West is smarter
Covid, vaccines, public health, and government overreach are still hot topics on people's minds. The Covid thread in the OT forum is still going strong. As far as candidate popularity goes, Biden received the most "votes" in history, 11 million more than his former boss, Obama. And Trump is so popular that 51 former intel agents went out of their way to lie and claim that Hunter Biden's laptop bore all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.
Anarchistbear said:bear2034 said:Anarchistbear said:
The last thing the American people care about in 2024 is Covid or vaccines. Trump and Biden are the two most unpopular candidates in US history. Running against them with vaccines as a major issue buys you nothing but the usual cranks. Let's hope Cornel West is smarter
Covid, vaccines, public health, and government overreach are still hot topics on people's minds. The Covid thread in the OT forum is still going strong. As far as candidate popularity goes, Biden received the most "votes" in history, 11 million more than his former boss, Obama. And Trump is so popular that 51 former intel agents went out of their way to lie and claim that Hunter Biden's laptop bore all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.
Covid threat going strong in OT. Of course it is being whack job central.
Biden and Trump both have favorability ratings in the low 40's. Most people are indifferent to them because they don't have anything to do with their lives. OT is another exception
bear2034 said:Anarchistbear said:bear2034 said:Anarchistbear said:
The last thing the American people care about in 2024 is Covid or vaccines. Trump and Biden are the two most unpopular candidates in US history. Running against them with vaccines as a major issue buys you nothing but the usual cranks. Let's hope Cornel West is smarter
Covid, vaccines, public health, and government overreach are still hot topics on people's minds. The Covid thread in the OT forum is still going strong. As far as candidate popularity goes, Biden received the most "votes" in history, 11 million more than his former boss, Obama. And Trump is so popular that 51 former intel agents went out of their way to lie and claim that Hunter Biden's laptop bore all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.
Covid threat going strong in OT. Of course it is being whack job central.
Biden and Trump both have favorability ratings in the low 40's. Most people are indifferent to them because they don't have anything to do with their lives. OT is another exception
If OT is whack job central, what is Growls?
Even anarchists were forced to get vaccinated weren't they?
If someone asks you "Have you been vaccinated?" and you respond with "Yeah, I've been immunized," how do you think they're going to take it?wc22 said:
The people who thought Immunized meant vaccinated were dumb. It was obviously a code word for some woo woo stuff.
Anarchistbear said:bear2034 said:Anarchistbear said:bear2034 said:Anarchistbear said:
The last thing the American people care about in 2024 is Covid or vaccines. Trump and Biden are the two most unpopular candidates in US history. Running against them with vaccines as a major issue buys you nothing but the usual cranks. Let's hope Cornel West is smarter
Covid, vaccines, public health, and government overreach are still hot topics on people's minds. The Covid thread in the OT forum is still going strong. As far as candidate popularity goes, Biden received the most "votes" in history, 11 million more than his former boss, Obama. And Trump is so popular that 51 former intel agents went out of their way to lie and claim that Hunter Biden's laptop bore all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.
Covid threat going strong in OT. Of course it is being whack job central.
Biden and Trump both have favorability ratings in the low 40's. Most people are indifferent to them because they don't have anything to do with their lives. OT is another exception
If OT is whack job central, what is Growls?
Even anarchists were forced to get vaccinated weren't they?
Growls is the bar that closes on Saturday night
sycasey said:If someone asks you "Have you been vaccinated?" and you respond with "Yeah, I've been immunized," how do you think they're going to take it?wc22 said:
The people who thought Immunized meant vaccinated were dumb. It was obviously a code word for some woo woo stuff.
kal kommie said:
If Rodgers believes the things he reportedly said on the Eddie Bravo podcast then he's got a really warped world view and I wouldn't be surprised if he subscribed to some Sandy Hook conspiracy theory. I noted the wording Rodgers used in his disclaimer tweet can be construed in a way that is technically truthful if Rodgers believes, as he is reported to have said, that Sandy Hook was a government orchestrated massacre rather than a fabrication with crisis actors as others suggest.
But I find this reporting by CNN's Pamela Brown interesting for reasons other than Rodgers' personal character. Brown claims she was on the job for CNN at the Kentucky Derby in 2013 and Aaron Rodgers, one of the most famous athletes in America, told her Sandy Hook was a government inside job and she chose not to report this very newsworthy item at the intersection of sports and politics?
It only occurs to Brown to report this outrageous statement Rodgers made to her a decade later when Rodgers becomes associated with a third party political candidacy. And the only corroboration Tapper and Brown can offer is another hearsay episode from that most plastic of sources, one they keep anonymous because the supposed source wishes to condemn Rodgers while shielding themselves from any kind of accountability for their allegation.
I'm not saying Rodgers didn't make the statements to Pamela Brown in 2013 that she reported. At this point it's believable that he would hold such an extreme view just based on other extreme views he has expressed. But I think this reporting is bad journalism of an unfortunately common variety.
bear2034 said:And the vaccine nazis lost their minds.okaydo said:
Rodgers told reporters he was "immunized."
