I'm about ready to give up on the media

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Remember when tRump couldn't bring himself to condemn David Duke and the KKK? I do.
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Black people ( lineage based/Freedman) are mostly independent because of the fact neither party has brought to bear any tangible gains to Black communities as a whole (not immigrants not poc's). Black politicians have to capitulate to a point to which they are basically rendered useless from making any substantial change to neighborhoods they supposedly representing . Here lack of generational wealth to purchase/buy/lobby for power is at play, this dynamic in between black communities and governmental access to power is ignored for a multitude of reasons.


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Couldn't or wouldn't or really didn't care to ? lol
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
It's ironic that you can't recognize that this quote applies to The Party of alternate facts.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
-Orwell

"Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening" -Trump
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GoOskie said:

To bad Russian propagandists (Ghouliani and his ilk) tainted (that ones for you, bearister) the chain of custody of the laptop.

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GoOskie said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
It's ironic that you can't recognize that this quote applies to The Party of alternate facts.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
-Orwell

"Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening" -Trump
"Truth isn't truth." - Rudy Giuliani
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philly1121 said:

LudwigsFountain said:

philly1121 said:

Let's put it out there that the Congressman in question is Byron Donalds, Republican, Florida. And what he actually said was this:


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"You see, during Jim Crow, the Black family was together. During Jim Crow, more Black people were not just conservative Black people have always been conservative-minded but more Black people voted conservatively,"
One can intelligently conclude that NPR took nothing out of context. That what Donalds said could be read and interpreted as meaning Blacks were "better off" under Jim Crow laws - because the Black family was "together". I'm struggling to understand why you think that's such a giant leap for the NPR commentator to interpret his words like that.

Moreover, if anyone would conclude that Jim Crow benefited Black Americans in any respect is of the sort that thinks slavery was some sort of Southern public skills building program.

I think it's a leap because of the sentences that followed your quote, which you omitted, He went on he to at least implicitly blame the Great Society legislation for causing a breakdown in Black families. He communicated poorly, Should have said something like, "Even though we were suffering under Jim Crow, our families were together; then The Great Society Law was passed, with perverse incentives that led to the deterioration of stable families among less well off Blacks. Same thing happened to poor whites."

In the context of the discussion to which I was listening, which was about the difficulty the parties were having in connecting with Blacks, I think a more honest statement would have been, "Black congressman mangles message about Great Society legislation harming Blacks, giving his opponents political fodder." That would have emphasized the point about the difficulty he was having in communicating without putting words in his mouth.


Ok, now you're going off on your opinion as to what the headline should be. Here's what Donalds said when questioned about what he said:

Quote:

"I never said that. They are lying. ... What I said was that you had more Black families under Jim Crow and it was the Democrat policies under H.E.W., under the welfare state, that did help to destroy the Black family,"

So....if I put 2 and 2 together I can conclude - "more black families" = better off. One can safely conclude that, yes? More black families is a good thing and would be considered "better off" right? So I once again ask where the dishonesty is in what NPR said or even that it was misleading?

My question would be - why shouldn't media companies tell it like it is? The fact that Donalds thinks the Great Society impoverished blacks tells us all we need to know. Nevermind these Jim Crow (pejorative term for African American) laws were enacted to disenfranchise Blacks to stop any gains made by Blacks during reconstruction. But I guess Donalds has a different version of history. He is, after all, from Florida.

I would also offer that within the context of Donalds entire remarks - he doubled down on what he said and did not offer any differentiation or clarification on what he meant. The NPR headline was accurate.
I'll try again. My beef with the NPR statement was that it explicitly stated that the congressman said Jim Crow provided benefits to Blacks. But he didn't say that there were more Black families BECAUSE of Jim Crow. He said there were more Black families DURING Jim Crow and that later changed because of the Democrats' policies. I'm not endorsing that view; I'm just saying you can't reasonably conclude that his statements equate to to 'Jim Crow provided benefits to Blacks' and that's my problem with what NPR said.
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GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

Do you think they microchipped Biden in case he wanders off while Commander is attacking the Secret Service?
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GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.
A reporter asks Karine Jean-Pierre about how Barack Obama and Giorgia Meloni both had to physically put hands on Joe Biden to guide him. Both videos are authentic. Both went viral.

KJP: "This did not happen in the sense of what people were saying they were seeing."

What?!? Don't believe your lying eyes.


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GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:



There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.
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Cal88 said:

GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the precision skydiver landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:



There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked awfully awkward, they were just covering for him.


Wow, just wow. Hopefully, GoOskie watches this objectively instead of reflexively defending the leader of the tribe.
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Ok, Biden is a doddering old man that is not fit to be POTUS. Someone please make the case for why tRump is fit to be POTUS.
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^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.
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Cal88 said:

GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:



There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.
You sure have a lot of spare time analyzing the mundane and irrelevant. All that energy spent conjuring up loony theories could be used instead to learn to knit or volunteer.
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I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.
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Cal88 said:

^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.
You sound like the brainwashed fool at my workplace who guaranteed Biden would step down months after being elected and Harris would take his place.
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GoOskie said:

Cal88 said:

GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:



There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.
You sure have a lot of spare time analyzing the mundane and irrelevant. All that energy spent conjuring up loony theories could be used instead to learn to knit or volunteer.

I am volunteering here, to set you straight.
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GoOskie said:

Cal88 said:

GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:



There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.
You sure have a lot of spare time analyzing the mundane and irrelevant. All that energy spent conjuring up loony theories could be used instead to learn to knit or volunteer.
The video shows there are two other guys packing up a parachute and Biden seems to walk over to talk to them. Now, does he walk and look like an old man? Yes, because he is old. But it's not accurate to just say he wandered over to look at nothing.
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LudwigsFountain said:

philly1121 said:

LudwigsFountain said:

philly1121 said:

Let's put it out there that the Congressman in question is Byron Donalds, Republican, Florida. And what he actually said was this:


Quote:

"You see, during Jim Crow, the Black family was together. During Jim Crow, more Black people were not just conservative Black people have always been conservative-minded but more Black people voted conservatively,"
One can intelligently conclude that NPR took nothing out of context. That what Donalds said could be read and interpreted as meaning Blacks were "better off" under Jim Crow laws - because the Black family was "together". I'm struggling to understand why you think that's such a giant leap for the NPR commentator to interpret his words like that.

Moreover, if anyone would conclude that Jim Crow benefited Black Americans in any respect is of the sort that thinks slavery was some sort of Southern public skills building program.

I think it's a leap because of the sentences that followed your quote, which you omitted, He went on he to at least implicitly blame the Great Society legislation for causing a breakdown in Black families. He communicated poorly, Should have said something like, "Even though we were suffering under Jim Crow, our families were together; then The Great Society Law was passed, with perverse incentives that led to the deterioration of stable families among less well off Blacks. Same thing happened to poor whites."

In the context of the discussion to which I was listening, which was about the difficulty the parties were having in connecting with Blacks, I think a more honest statement would have been, "Black congressman mangles message about Great Society legislation harming Blacks, giving his opponents political fodder." That would have emphasized the point about the difficulty he was having in communicating without putting words in his mouth.


Ok, now you're going off on your opinion as to what the headline should be. Here's what Donalds said when questioned about what he said:

Quote:

"I never said that. They are lying. ... What I said was that you had more Black families under Jim Crow and it was the Democrat policies under H.E.W., under the welfare state, that did help to destroy the Black family,"

So....if I put 2 and 2 together I can conclude - "more black families" = better off. One can safely conclude that, yes? More black families is a good thing and would be considered "better off" right? So I once again ask where the dishonesty is in what NPR said or even that it was misleading?

My question would be - why shouldn't media companies tell it like it is? The fact that Donalds thinks the Great Society impoverished blacks tells us all we need to know. Nevermind these Jim Crow (pejorative term for African American) laws were enacted to disenfranchise Blacks to stop any gains made by Blacks during reconstruction. But I guess Donalds has a different version of history. He is, after all, from Florida.

I would also offer that within the context of Donalds entire remarks - he doubled down on what he said and did not offer any differentiation or clarification on what he meant. The NPR headline was accurate.
I'll try again. My beef with the NPR statement was that it explicitly stated that the congressman said Jim Crow provided benefits to Blacks. But he didn't say that there were more Black families BECAUSE of Jim Crow. He said there were more Black families DURING Jim Crow and that later changed because of the Democrats' policies. I'm not endorsing that view; I'm just saying you can't reasonably conclude that his statements equate to to 'Jim Crow provided benefits to Blacks' and that's my problem with what NPR said.
A reasonable person can conclude that if Donalds or anyone else said that there were more families during Jim Crow, e.g., that there were more families during that time period than the ones that followed when Jim Crow laws ended in 1965, then Donalds is basically saying that black families were better off during the Jim Crow era. I am not understanding how you cannot see that link. Its basic. And NPR can certainly conclude that he is basically saying Jim Crow provided benefits to black families because there were more of them during that time period than there are now since 65. Donalds is making a case against the Great Society. Which of course he would since he believes that these programs have held Blacks back and have destroyed families. Pretty simple to me.
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On media bias: I think the core issue here isn't about right or left wing bias, rather it's a bias towards negativity and catastrophe. A guy can't just make a dumb comment about the Jim Crow era, it has to be that he is IN FAVOR OF Jim Crow. A President can't just look kind of silly while walking away from a group of world leaders to talk to someone else, you have to crop out the people he was actually walking towards to make it look much worse.

This tendency gets worse as our media environment becomes more decentralized. When there were just three TV networks, they had an incentive to gear their content and coverage down the middle, to attract the broadest audience possible. Now the incentive is just to attract the largest audience IN YOUR SILO, and tell them to ignore everyone else. This also works because audiences are drawn to this kind of content, much more so than the moderate, balanced content we claim to want. Well, if people want it they sure aren't choosing it over the flashier, sensationalized stuff.

It's not just a media problem, it's an audience problem.

Good podcast on this subject here:
https://www.theringer.com/2024/6/7/24173360/news-media-dangerous-obsession-with-fake-facts-negativity-bias
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Black families were also more "intact" during the Great Depression just like they were during the Jim Crow era. It would be silly for NPR to question if Donalds really meant to say that black families were "better off" during the Great Depression or that the Great Depression provided 'benefits" to black families.
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GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?
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bear2034 said:

GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!
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Cal88 said:

^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.


Just interested in fleshing out your position if you want to play along. I don't won't to argue with you and won't.

1. For the sake of argument, assume that Biden has been diagnosed as senile, do believe there are other mental conditions that should be disqualifying for holding the office of POTUS?

2. What are those mental conditions?

3. Do you believe tRump exhibits the characteristics of any of those mental conditions?

4. In your opinion is there any line tRump would have to cross to justify him being replaced as the Republican presidential nominee at the Convention? What does that line look like?

5. Do you believe tRump's Administration (Cabinet, advisors, etc) will be competent to run the country? Explain.
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bearister said:

Cal88 said:

^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.


Just interested in fleshing out your position if you want to play along. I don't won't to argue with you and won't.

1. For the sake of argument, assume that Biden has been diagnosed as senile, do believe there are other mental conditions that should be disqualifying for holding the office of POTUS?

2. What are those mental conditions?

3. Do you believe tRump exhibits the characteristics of any of those mental conditions?

4. In your opinion is there any line tRump would have to cross to justify him being replaced as the Republican presidential nominee at the Convention? What does that line look like?

5. Do you believe tRump's Administration (Cabinet, advisors, etc) will be competent to run the country? Explain.


Starting with your last point - no, I don't trust many of his advisors and staff or elements of his entourage like Kushner,. I don't trust Trump's ability or motivation to implement policies that go counter his main big funders. Paradoxically, Trump's lawfare issues have made him more dependent of the swamp.

That however is true for all the other candidates, we are in an oligarchy. I mean Trump is still far better than say Nikki Haley.

Trump's mental condition is fine, his issues are character or judgment issues, not mental decrepitude.
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Cal88 said:


Trump's mental condition is fine

Let that sink in for a bit.
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GoOskie said:

Cal88 said:

GoOskie said:

bear2034 said:


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984
Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:



There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.
You sure have a lot of spare time analyzing the mundane and irrelevant. All that energy spent conjuring up loony theories could be used instead to learn to knit or volunteer.




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Big C said:

bear2034 said:

GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.
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GoOskie said:

Cal88 said:

Trump's mental condition is fine
Let that sink in for a bit.
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bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!


College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.

Kids are supposed to be rebellious! My point is, he's been a pretty good President. Hard to argue with that!
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Big C said:

bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.
If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?
Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.
Kids are supposed to be rebellious! My point is, he's been a pretty good President. Hard to argue with that!

Queers for Palestine are calling him Genocide Joe.
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bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.
If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?
Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.
Kids are supposed to be rebellious! My point is, he's been a pretty good President. Hard to argue with that!

Queers for Palestine are calling him Genocide Joe.

IDC, but do keep tracking their every move and report back again!
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Big C said:

bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

GoOskie said:

I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.
If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?
Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.
Kids are supposed to be rebellious! My point is, he's been a pretty good President. Hard to argue with that!

Queers for Palestine are calling him Genocide Joe.

IDC, but do keep tracking their every move and report back again!

Let's hope Biden still remembers there are Americans being held hostage in Gaza.
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Cal88 said:

^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.


If I said I hate your posts, does that qualify as "hate speech"? I don't think so.

MSNBC ran the full clip. Biden walked off to gives thumbs up to someone. Odd perhaps, but it's quite different from the Crazy Like a Fox ways of Trump.

I hate your posts because you don't understand how dangerous trump is, and you think that a Kamala Harris Presidency is worse than NATO being blown up, worse then free and fair Elections, worse than Truth and Justice. You are an incredible fool. A FOOL!
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GoOskie said:

Cal88 said:


Trump's mental condition is fine

Let that sink in for a bit.


Hitler could orate pretty damn well, too!
 
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