Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

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It's ironic that you can't recognize that this quote applies to The Party of alternate facts.

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GoOskie said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

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It's ironic that you can't recognize that this quote applies to The Party of alternate facts.

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"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
-Orwell

"Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening" -Trump

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philly1121 said:

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LudwigsFountain said:

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philly1121 said:

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Let's put it out there that the Congressman in question is Byron Donalds, Republican, Florida. And what he actually said was this:

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"You see, during Jim Crow, the Black family was together. During Jim Crow, more Black people were not just conservative Black people have always been conservative-minded but more Black people voted conservatively,"

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One can intelligently conclude that NPR took nothing out of context. That what Donalds said could be read and interpreted as meaning Blacks were "better off" under Jim Crow laws - because the Black family was "together". I'm struggling to understand why you think that's such a giant leap for the NPR commentator to interpret his words like that.

Moreover, if anyone would conclude that Jim Crow benefited Black Americans in any respect is of the sort that thinks slavery was some sort of Southern public skills building program.

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I think it's a leap because of the sentences that followed your quote, which you omitted, He went on he to at least implicitly blame the Great Society legislation for causing a breakdown in Black families. He communicated poorly, Should have said something like, "Even though we were suffering under Jim Crow, our families were together; then The Great Society Law was passed, with perverse incentives that led to the deterioration of stable families among less well off Blacks. Same thing happened to poor whites."

In the context of the discussion to which I was listening, which was about the difficulty the parties were having in connecting with Blacks, I think a more honest statement would have been, "Black congressman mangles message about Great Society legislation harming Blacks, giving his opponents political fodder." That would have emphasized the point about the difficulty he was having in communicating without putting words in his mouth.

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Ok, now you're going off on your opinion as to what the headline should be. Here's what Donalds said when questioned about what he said:

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"I never said that. They are lying. ... What I said was that you had more Black families under Jim Crow and it was the Democrat policies under H.E.W., under the welfare state, that did help to destroy the Black family,"

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So....if I put 2 and 2 together I can conclude - "more black families" = better off. One can safely conclude that, yes? More black families is a good thing and would be considered "better off" right? So I once again ask where the dishonesty is in what NPR said or even that it was misleading?

My question would be - why shouldn't media companies tell it like it is? The fact that Donalds thinks the Great Society impoverished blacks tells us all we need to know. Nevermind these Jim Crow (pejorative term for African American) laws were enacted to disenfranchise Blacks to stop any gains made by Blacks during reconstruction. But I guess Donalds has a different version of history. He is, after all, from Florida.

I would also offer that within the context of Donalds entire remarks - he doubled down on what he said and did not offer any differentiation or clarification on what he meant. The NPR headline was accurate.

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GoOskie said:

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bear2034 said:

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Look at the way they all acknowledge someone has to save him… pic.twitter.com/K5ooqp7Al3

— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 13, 2024

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

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Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

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X added a #communitynote to the previous wandering Biden video I posted of him getting lost at the G7, they said it "was cropped". So, here is the FULL uncropped video of same event and it makes Walkaway Joe look 10 times worse. #JoeBiden pic.twitter.com/mJSr7u1X6d

— Now The End Begins (@NowTheEndBegins) June 15, 2024

Cal88 said:

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GoOskie said:

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bear2034 said:

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Look at the way they all acknowledge someone has to save him… pic.twitter.com/K5ooqp7Al3

— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 13, 2024

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

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Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

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There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the precision skydiver landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:

X added a #communitynote to the previous wandering Biden video I posted of him getting lost at the G7, they said it "was cropped". So, here is the FULL uncropped video of same event and it makes Walkaway Joe look 10 times worse. #JoeBiden pic.twitter.com/mJSr7u1X6d

— Now The End Begins (@NowTheEndBegins) June 15, 2024

There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked awfully awkward, they were just covering for him.

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Cal88 said:

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GoOskie said:

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bear2034 said:

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Look at the way they all acknowledge someone has to save him… pic.twitter.com/K5ooqp7Al3

— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 13, 2024

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

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Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

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There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:

X added a #communitynote to the previous wandering Biden video I posted of him getting lost at the G7, they said it "was cropped". So, here is the FULL uncropped video of same event and it makes Walkaway Joe look 10 times worse. #JoeBiden pic.twitter.com/mJSr7u1X6d

— Now The End Begins (@NowTheEndBegins) June 15, 2024

There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.

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Cal88 said:

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^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.

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GoOskie said:

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Cal88 said:

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GoOskie said:

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bear2034 said:

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Look at the way they all acknowledge someone has to save him… pic.twitter.com/K5ooqp7Al3

— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 13, 2024

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

---

Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

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There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:

X added a #communitynote to the previous wandering Biden video I posted of him getting lost at the G7, they said it "was cropped". So, here is the FULL uncropped video of same event and it makes Walkaway Joe look 10 times worse. #JoeBiden pic.twitter.com/mJSr7u1X6d

— Now The End Begins (@NowTheEndBegins) June 15, 2024

There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.

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You sure have a lot of spare time analyzing the mundane and irrelevant. All that energy spent conjuring up loony theories could be used instead to learn to knit or volunteer.

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GoOskie said:

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Cal88 said:

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GoOskie said:

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bear2034 said:

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Look at the way they all acknowledge someone has to save him… pic.twitter.com/K5ooqp7Al3

— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 13, 2024

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

- George Orwell 1984

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Biden was waving to fans (off camera). The others wanted him in a photo op and pulled him in.

See. When you can use your brain, things start to make sense.

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There are no "fans", you think Biden has fans in Italy?? Why is he the only one wandering off, while all the other leaders are fixated on the main event, the skydiver executing a precision landing just in front of them? Here is a video showing the context:

X added a #communitynote to the previous wandering Biden video I posted of him getting lost at the G7, they said it "was cropped". So, here is the FULL uncropped video of same event and it makes Walkaway Joe look 10 times worse. #JoeBiden pic.twitter.com/mJSr7u1X6d

— Now The End Begins (@NowTheEndBegins) June 15, 2024

There is no "photo op" either, just an Italian paratrooper explaining something about the landing to the G7 leaders, clearly part of the program. The other leaders corralled Biden, as him not paying attention to the main event and wandering off from the group looked very awkward, they were just covering for him.

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You sure have a lot of spare time analyzing the mundane and irrelevant. All that energy spent conjuring up loony theories could be used instead to learn to knit or volunteer.

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LudwigsFountain said:

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philly1121 said:

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LudwigsFountain said:

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philly1121 said:

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Let's put it out there that the Congressman in question is Byron Donalds, Republican, Florida. And what he actually said was this:

Quote:

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"You see, during Jim Crow, the Black family was together. During Jim Crow, more Black people were not just conservative Black people have always been conservative-minded but more Black people voted conservatively,"

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One can intelligently conclude that NPR took nothing out of context. That what Donalds said could be read and interpreted as meaning Blacks were "better off" under Jim Crow laws - because the Black family was "together". I'm struggling to understand why you think that's such a giant leap for the NPR commentator to interpret his words like that.

Moreover, if anyone would conclude that Jim Crow benefited Black Americans in any respect is of the sort that thinks slavery was some sort of Southern public skills building program.

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I think it's a leap because of the sentences that followed your quote, which you omitted, He went on he to at least implicitly blame the Great Society legislation for causing a breakdown in Black families. He communicated poorly, Should have said something like, "Even though we were suffering under Jim Crow, our families were together; then The Great Society Law was passed, with perverse incentives that led to the deterioration of stable families among less well off Blacks. Same thing happened to poor whites."

In the context of the discussion to which I was listening, which was about the difficulty the parties were having in connecting with Blacks, I think a more honest statement would have been, "Black congressman mangles message about Great Society legislation harming Blacks, giving his opponents political fodder." That would have emphasized the point about the difficulty he was having in communicating without putting words in his mouth.

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Ok, now you're going off on your opinion as to what the headline should be. Here's what Donalds said when questioned about what he said:

Quote:

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"I never said that. They are lying. ... What I said was that you had more Black families under Jim Crow and it was the Democrat policies under H.E.W., under the welfare state, that did help to destroy the Black family,"

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So....if I put 2 and 2 together I can conclude - "more black families" = better off. One can safely conclude that, yes? More black families is a good thing and would be considered "better off" right? So I once again ask where the dishonesty is in what NPR said or even that it was misleading?

My question would be - why shouldn't media companies tell it like it is? The fact that Donalds thinks the Great Society impoverished blacks tells us all we need to know. Nevermind these Jim Crow (pejorative term for African American) laws were enacted to disenfranchise Blacks to stop any gains made by Blacks during reconstruction. But I guess Donalds has a different version of history. He is, after all, from Florida.

I would also offer that within the context of Donalds entire remarks - he doubled down on what he said and did not offer any differentiation or clarification on what he meant. The NPR headline was accurate.

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I'll try again. My beef with the NPR statement was that it explicitly stated that the congressman said Jim Crow provided benefits to Blacks. But he didn't say that there were more Black families BECAUSE of Jim Crow. He said there were more Black families DURING Jim Crow and that later changed because of the Democrats' policies. I'm not endorsing that view; I'm just saying you can't reasonably conclude that his statements equate to to 'Jim Crow provided benefits to Blacks' and that's my problem with what NPR said.

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GoOskie said:

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I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

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bear2034 said:

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GoOskie said:

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I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

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If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

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Cal88 said:

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^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.

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Cal88 said:

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Trump's mental condition is fine

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Big C said:

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bear2034 said:

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GoOskie said:

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I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

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If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

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Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

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bear2034 said:

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Big C said:

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bear2034 said:

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GoOskie said:

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I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

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If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

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Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

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College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.

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bear2034 said:

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Big C said:

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bear2034 said:

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Big C said:

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bear2034 said:

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GoOskie said:

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I'll take the doddering old man over the corrupt, traitorous, demented, putin loving lunatic for $100.

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If you're going to vote for an un-convicted felon with dementia, what's the point in arguing that he didn't wander off at the G7 or any other event?

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Biden's been a pretty good President, wouldn't you agree?

And another four years will be less than 5% of his lifetime... no big deal!

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College kids from the same team are calling him Genocide Joe.

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Kids are supposed to be rebellious! My point is, he's been a pretty good President. Hard to argue with that!

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Queers for Palestine are calling him Genocide Joe.

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Cal88 said:

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^Trump certainly has many flaws, but he's not senile.

Odds of Biden getting canned and replaced at the Convention are rising with each public embarrassment.

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