After attempting to kill Trump, the deep state has now attempted to kill Biden.

President Joe Biden tests positive for COVID-19 while campaigning in Las Vegas

dimitrig said:

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After attempting to kill Trump, the deep state has now attempted to kill Biden.

President Joe Biden tests positive for COVID-19 while campaigning in Las Vegas

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.⁦@POTUS⁩ is back on Air Force One and we’re headed to Delaware pic.twitter.com/SLGfL8pcN1

— Nandita Bose (@nanditab1) July 17, 2024

No mask?...hmmm....

oski003 said:

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dimitrig said:

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After attempting to kill Trump, the deep state has now attempted to kill Biden.

President Joe Biden tests positive for COVID-19 while campaigning in Las Vegas

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He caught a virus while "campaigning" in Vegas? Is that what the old folks call it now days?

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LOL. That was a good one

Anarchistbear said:

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According to today's NYT , Trump's assassin also had info on the Democratic convention and Biden on his phone and zero ideological info.

This sounds like the attempted Fidel assassinations. Lone shooter, Covid, exploding cigars, banana pudding laced with arsenic.

The Deep State has decided on a clean slate but are incompetent misfits. Next one will pretend to be God and call Biden and tell him to resign. Someone else will convince Trump there is more money to be had by selling pieces of his ear.

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Bonus points if they make Howard Stern fanboy comments.

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Biden: “I’ll step down if I have a medical condition emerge.”

***A few moments later***

Democrats : “Biden has Covid!” pic.twitter.com/RKiIBXaHvO

— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) July 17, 2024

Within hours of Biden interview revealing he would step down if some sort of "medical condition emerged", he has tested positive for Covid! Amazing!

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This semi-brilliant idea has Nancy Pelosi's fingerprints all over it.

While she's calling the shots, somebody remind me (seriously, I forget): Is she significantly closer to Kamala, Gavin or about the same?

Victoria Nuland at it again!

The Deep State is a middle-aged, liberal, white, female with an ivy league degree.

I'm sick

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) July 17, 2024

BREAKING: Per Mark Halperin:

* Biden plans to announce withdrawal from nomination as early as this weekend, with Sunday most likely

* Jon Meacham polishing up remarks

* Biden with NOT resign the presidency

* Biden will NOT endorse Harris

* open convention with Harris and about 3 others

* super delegates will not be allowed to vote on 1st ballot

* Harris is vetting at least four possible running mates, including Andy Beshear and possibly Shapiro

Biden has asked for polling on how Harris would do, per ABC

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 18, 2024

Something to consider -

DNC rules allow it to pick the replacement should the “nominee” drop out.

An early nomination means the theoretical eventual “nominee” - the Biden replacement - can be featured at their convention.

There’s a strategy to the acceleration. https://t.co/F8CL4e4z23 pic.twitter.com/IXK2rbLMEA

— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) July 18, 2024

112 Days Til No Joe said:

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For four years, Democrats and Never Trump Republicans have been trying to convince you that the January 6 riot was an attempted coup. Now in 2024, moderate Democrat politicians and rich donors are executing a bloodless coup on the sitting President of the United States.

For all the liberal sanctimony about Democracy™, you're seeing who really wields power. It has nothing to do with voters, elections, etc.😲

Dem billionaires, their media allies, and their DC puppets are forcing the sitting President and "elected" Dem nominee out of the race. https://t.co/nZRWgPivtp

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 18, 2024

If the small coterie of Democratic powerbrokers -- a few megabillionaires, Obama, and congressional leaders, the NY Times, etc. -- persuade Biden to step down, despite his insistence that he remain no matter what, it will be the perfect instance of the Elites Actually Decide.

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) July 18, 2024

Poetic justice.

Imagine this bathtub as Democratic electoral prospects in November 2024.

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I can't see how this can be termed a "bloodless coup"... at least with any shred of legitimacy. The people that voted for Biden in the primaries had information (apparently) concealed from them about his condition and stronger candidates were discouraged from running against the sitting President. So voters' choice was a supposedly okay Biden against two nobodies.

Bottom line, most everybody who voted for Biden in the primaries (including me) wishes they could have a redo, with Biden (as we know him to be now) versus a few other strong candidates (including Harris).

It's not a "coup" to use available, legal political power to try and get the best possible candidate in there. It's called politics. January 6th was an illegal, violent attempt to disrupt the election process. The two are not even remotely the same.

Big C said:

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112 Days Til No Joe said:

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For four years, Democrats and Never Trump Republicans have been trying to convince you that the January 6 riot was an attempted coup. Now in 2024, moderate Democrat politicians and rich donors are executing a bloodless coup on the sitting President of the United States.

For all the liberal sanctimony about Democracy™, you're seeing who really wields power. It has nothing to do with voters, elections, etc.😲

Dem billionaires, their media allies, and their DC puppets are forcing the sitting President and "elected" Dem nominee out of the race. https://t.co/nZRWgPivtp

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 18, 2024

If the small coterie of Democratic powerbrokers -- a few megabillionaires, Obama, and congressional leaders, the NY Times, etc. -- persuade Biden to step down, despite his insistence that he remain no matter what, it will be the perfect instance of the Elites Actually Decide.

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) July 18, 2024

Poetic justice.

Imagine this bathtub as Democratic electoral prospects in November 2024.

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I can't see how this can be termed a "bloodless coup"... at least with any shred of legitimacy. The people that voted for Biden in the primaries had information (apparently) concealed from them about his condition and stronger candidates were discouraged to run against the sitting President. So their choice was a supposedly strong Biden against two nobodies.

Bottom line, most everybody who voted for Biden in the primaries (including me) wishes they could have a redo.

It's not a "coup" to use available, legal political power to try and get the best possible candidate in there. It's called politics. January 6th was an illegal, violent attempt to disrupt the election process. The two are not even remotely the same.

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The US is one of the few places where there is even any kind of quasi-democratic process in selecting party nominees. In most places it's still the parties that choose nominees and then the public votes on them. Changing a party nominee is not a "coup" (especially since in this case it's an attempt to convince Biden to step out of the campaign voluntarily, not literally remove him from office).

BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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112 Days Til No Joe said:

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For four years, Democrats and Never Trump Republicans have been trying to convince you that the January 6 riot was an attempted coup. Now in 2024, moderate Democrat politicians and rich donors are executing a bloodless coup on the sitting President of the United States.

For all the liberal sanctimony about Democracy™, you're seeing who really wields power. It has nothing to do with voters, elections, etc.😲

Dem billionaires, their media allies, and their DC puppets are forcing the sitting President and "elected" Dem nominee out of the race. https://t.co/nZRWgPivtp

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 18, 2024

If the small coterie of Democratic powerbrokers -- a few megabillionaires, Obama, and congressional leaders, the NY Times, etc. -- persuade Biden to step down, despite his insistence that he remain no matter what, it will be the perfect instance of the Elites Actually Decide.

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) July 18, 2024

Poetic justice.

Imagine this bathtub as Democratic electoral prospects in November 2024.

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I can't see how this can be termed a "bloodless coup"... at least with any shred of legitimacy. The people that voted for Biden in the primaries had information (apparently) concealed from them about his condition and stronger candidates were discouraged to run against the sitting President. So their choice was a supposedly strong Biden against two nobodies.

Bottom line, most everybody who voted for Biden in the primaries (including me) wishes they could have a redo.

It's not a "coup" to use available, legal political power to try and get the best possible candidate in there. It's called politics. January 6th was an illegal, violent attempt to disrupt the election process. The two are not even remotely the same.

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The US is one of the few places where there is even any kind of quasi-democratic process in selecting party nominees. In most places it's still the parties that choose nominees and then the public votes on them. Changing a party nominee is not a "coup" (especially since in this case it's an attempt to convince Biden to step out of the campaign voluntarily, not literally remove him from office).

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It is not a coup. But it is confirmation that dems don't really care about election rules and counting every vote. All they care about is power and "winning". That is the only principle.

And that explains everything the have done, including the lawfare against trump, lying about Russia gate (Schiff), calling Trump Hitler/a fascist, and the first impeachment which was absurd. All was raw politics to get the win, regardless of whether its good faith.

And you know what? I thinks wanting to win is fine. It seems you do too. That is hard core politics. That is to some extent why Trump has appeal to some - he will try to "win" at all costs.

However, what is not fine is the Dems: (i) denying they have attempted to change/influence the general election rules (not for fairness, but for advantage) when they in fact have; and (ii) pretending that there is some higher principle at work ("fair and free elections" "count every vote"). Most everything the establishment dems (and republicans) have done is in pursuit of political power/wins. That is why they lied about Biden's condition for 4 years, didn't allow anyone to challenge him in the primary, and now are panicking when their plan fell apart.

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I think you overestimate how much the party "planned" any of this, but yes, most political parties are trying to win above anything else. I personally believe in general principles of free-and-fair elections, though I also recognize that our systems around primary elections have never really been that so if they are bent it's not a big deal. If the general election is unfairly contested, that's another matter. Nuance!

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

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I don't agree with her about Biden staying in, but I do agree about this.

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

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1. Amazing how Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whom I admire in general, has gone from idealistic to pragmatic before she's even old enough to be President. At this rate, she's going to be Nancy Pelosi before her 40th birthday.

2. The only reason any Dems seem like they've given up is because they see so many people in their own party who seem almost desperate to not find out who their best candidate is and nominate that person to lead the party to victory in November. These people aren't progressive, they are calcified conservatives.

Trump is beatable. (Nice speech, the other night, you clown!)

Biden looks worse by the week.

Vice President Harris might be the best replacement, but I am not at all sure about that.

Going in another direction carries its own risks, for sure, but let me ask you this: Why do you suppose Republicans, including X, Y and Z on this very forum, seem to really, really want us to run Biden... and, if not, Biden, then Harris. It's because they know that Newsom or Buttigieg, or maybe even Whitmer or Booker or, as Bill Maher says, anybody new, would eviscerate Donald Trump in a debate and in the election.

I'm just a useful idiot on a message board... and a sports message board, at that. I have no influence whatsoever. But I will say this to whomever does have influence: It's on you to find a way to get the best possible candidate at the top of the Dem ticket. Whoever that is, they will have my vote and my support. But don't screw it up. Get the right person and we will win.

There are 18 days left to the DNC and based on how things are going, it might draw better ratings than the RNC.

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

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1. Amazing how Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whom I admire in general, has gone from idealistic to pragmatic before she's even old enough to be President. At this rate, she's going to be Nancy Pelosi before her 40th birthday.

2. The only reason any Dems seem like they've given up is because they see so many people in their own party who seem almost desperate to not find out who their best candidate is and nominate that person to lead the party to victory in November.

Trump is beatable. (Nice speech, the other night, you clown!)

Biden looks worse by the week.

Vice President Harris might be the best replacement, but I am not at all sure about that.

Going in another direction carries its own risks, for sure, but let me ask you this: Why do you suppose Republicans, including X, Y and Z on this very forum, seem to really, really want us to run Biden... and, if not, Biden, then Harris. It's because they know that Newsom or Buttigieg, or maybe even Whitmer or Booker or, as Bill Maher says, anybody new, would eviscerate Donald Trump in a debate and in the election.

I'm just a useful idiot on a message board... and a sports message board, at that. I have no influence whatsoever. But I will say this to whomever does have influence: It's on you to find a way to get the best possible candidate at the top of the Dem ticket. Whoever that is, you have my vote and my support. But don't screw it up. Get the right person and we will win.

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Have any of the people you mentioned expressed any desire to replace Biden? No. They know the process would chew them up. They wouldn't even get on all the ballots and they have a future. Now Dean Phillips, on the other hand.

You're playing the game of whatever fantasy you come up with would work. It wouldn't. It's a fantasy.

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

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1. Amazing how Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whom I admire in general, has gone from idealistic to pragmatic before she's even old enough to be President. At this rate, she's going to be Nancy Pelosi before her 40th birthday.

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IMO she was always a pragmatist, if you read between the lines of her soaring rhetoric. Definitely the most pragmatic of "The Squad" House members that came in with her.

Though in this case I don't agree with her conclusions. I think the risk of keeping Biden in is greater than the risk of him bowing out.

sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

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1. Amazing how Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whom I admire in general, has gone from idealistic to pragmatic before she's even old enough to be President. At this rate, she's going to be Nancy Pelosi before her 40th birthday.

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IMO she was always a pragmatist, if you read between the lines of her soaring rhetoric. Definitely the most pragmatic of "The Squad" House members that came in with her.

Though in this case I don't agree with her conclusions. I think the risk of keeping Biden in is greater than the risk of him bowing out.

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Only because of the turncoats talking every day. You all are killing this election.

dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I just appreciate that the worst Democrats are outing themselves. Good opportunity to clean house, which is unlikely.

AOC really shining in this moment. Would be good if Dems figured out corporate news is pro Republican but. . .

It's hard to manage a political party for the people in the era of Citizens United. You have the pro rich Republican party and the Democratic Party which has pro rich insiders.

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Also, the worst Dems are still better than Republicans

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Who are the worst Dems that are outing themselves, and why?

I'm not sure AOC is shining. I see some "progressives" who actually turn out to be quite conservative, what with their unwillingness to make a necessary change. They seem like mostly younger figures who might be afraid of getting in trouble and damaging their careers and so are being very cautious. (Not saying I wouldn't do the same, were I in their shoes.)

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AOC on Instagram to her 8 million followers
https://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/C9qZWToRGpM/?xmt=AQGzsbz3UlWW3yJDQkLZika3h4fwCZGt2KHz__tXysoI3Q

If you’re a “senior Democrat” that feels this way, you should absolutely retire and make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism.

This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people. Retire. https://t.co/5oKQeMrOI0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 15, 2024

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1. Amazing how Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whom I admire in general, has gone from idealistic to pragmatic before she's even old enough to be President. At this rate, she's going to be Nancy Pelosi before her 40th birthday.

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IMO she was always a pragmatist, if you read between the lines of her soaring rhetoric. Definitely the most pragmatic of "The Squad" House members that came in with her.

Though in this case I don't agree with her conclusions. I think the risk of keeping Biden in is greater than the risk of him bowing out.

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Only because of the turncoats talking every day. You all are killing this election.

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The "turncoats" are also people who want the Democrats to win (or at least for Trump to lose). We make these arguments because we don't think Biden can win. I know you disagree, but don't accuse me of bad faith.

What I will say is that the polling has been saying this for a while: that Trump is still unpopular, but people think Biden is too old to serve another term. Not "the media" or "the elites" or whatever you might want to claim; people in general. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt until the actual campaign started in earnest to see if Biden could start winning people back. Instead, he crashed and burned during the debate. That was it for me: he needs to step aside.