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When did the South Sudan team say that Harris isn't black, as you claimed?

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Calm down.
Watch the video.

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I'm calmly asking you a question that you're not answering.

Tell me more!
I'm descended from Brewster of the Mayflower (1620), but also have Scottish and Irish ancestors who came in the mid 1800's.

Orangemen?
I don't know any of this history you just referred to.

concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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It was a joke. Are you really that devoid of a sense of humor? Do we need to talk about how black Vice President Harris' lineage was before being raped by a slaveowner?

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concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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It was a joke. Are you really that devoid of a sense of humor? Do we need to talk about how black Vice President Harris' lineage was before being raped by a slaveowner?

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It was horse**** that both judged and claimed to speak for others based on the color of their skin. Are you really that devoid of any ****ing common sense?

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concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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It was a joke. Are you really that devoid of a sense of humor? Do we need to talk about how black Vice President Harris' lineage was before being raped by a slaveowner?

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It was horse**** that both judged and claimed to speak for others based on the color of their skin. Are you really that devoid of any ****ing common sense?

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Weirdo

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concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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It was a joke. Are you really that devoid of a sense of humor? Do we need to talk about how black Vice President Harris' lineage was before being raped by a slaveowner?

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It was horse**** that both judged and claimed to speak for others based on the color of their skin. Are you really that devoid of any ****ing common sense?

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Weirdo

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Lol didn't know you were a hardcore leftie, I don't understand that tact by y'all at all

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concordtom said:

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When did the South Sudan team say that Harris isn't black, as you claimed?

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Calm down.
Watch the video.

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I'm calmly asking you a question that you're not answering.

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Sigh….

My post was indeed a reference to jet black skin of the South Sudan players.

The dark black skin color of people from South Sudan is often described using terms such as "ebony" or "jet black." This deep pigmentation is characteristic of many Nilotic ethnic groups in the region, including the Dinka, Nuer, and Shilluk peoples.

Here in the US, we have historically referred to anyone who has the slightest hint of African roots, whether it be in their skin tone or the curl of their hair as "black". However, if you look at the diversity of African DNA, per famed geneticist Spencer Wells… well, from Google AI:

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Geneticist Spencer Wells has discussed how Africa is the most genetically diverse continent in the world, and how all humans share DNA passed down from their African ancestors. In his TED Talk, A Family Tree for Humanity, Wells describes his Genographic Project, which uses shared DNA to understand how humans are connected. Wells notes that African populations have greater genetic diversity, less linkage disequilibrium, and more extensive population substructure than non-African populations. Africans also have genetic adaptations that have evolved in response to their diverse climates, diets, and exposure to infectious diseases.

Wells also notes that all humans share a single ancestor in Africa, Mitochondrial Eve, who lived within the last 200,000 years. On the male side, the Y-chromosome Adam lived around 60,000 years ago, which is only about 2,000 human generations. Wells uses the ancestry of the Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings family to illustrate that all humans are essentially family, and that only 8% of genetic differences are found between the classic "races".

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So, take a population a humans that lived in Africa, spread out and began to mutate, differentiate one from another… and then, one subset of those left Africa and began to further mutate and differentiate.



…It's all quite fascinating. I celebrate our shared human diversity!



It dawned on me while typing all this that a possible "opposite" expression of human coloring could be in the red head gingers of Scotland or the blonde/blue of Sweden. They are as different from mainland Europe as the Nilotic people are from the average African.

I simply must find that photo of me with Manute Bol - whatever happened to that?

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concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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It was a joke. Are you really that devoid of a sense of humor? Do we need to talk about how black Vice President Harris' lineage was before being raped by a slaveowner?

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Thank you for assisting in the defense against fools. But I don't think it's proper to automatically state (as commonly happens) that descendants of white men and black women were the product of rape, even if the man was a "slave owner".

I'm not trying to minimize the horrible aspects of slavery, which included rape.
I'm just saying, we don't know exactly what the nature of any one particular relationship was.

Rape is a powerful and varied word. It can mean physically overpowering, tearing a person's clothes off. Assault. Battery. It can also mean exploitation of coercion.

I imagine that sometimes a person who has grown up in a social system with severe inequality could allow themselves to engage willingly in a sexual relationship for personal gain, for personal interests. Is this "rape"?

Dr. Henry Louis Gates discusses such delicate topics with guests on his show Finding Your Roots excellently! I recall at least once he showed a black guest, who was the product of one such relationship, that the slave owning white man remained married to his black slave (mother of his children) for decades, long after the emancipation proclamation was announced.

Gates pointed out that we could never know the nature of their relationship, or how it began, but it did end with all the hallmarks of a committed love relationship as we know it now. It was states as such in the man's will upon his death.

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tRump just exponentially ratcheted up the self loathing/Tom factor for any Black person that votes for him.

With his limited intellect, absence of self awareness, tone deafness and supplemented by his delusional state, he actually thought he was going to speak to that convention and hide his contempt for them.

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I don't know if calling 1/3rd of younger black voters Uncle Toms is good move, I suspect it isn't, but I have no doubt it will be very common from non-black Democrats in the coming months.

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I don't think it is a good idea to call a group of people black, which is just a color, when the proper spelling is Black, which refers to people of the African diaspora (I'm pretty sure your team, with glee, enjoy the politicization of the word and consciously use the lowercase b).

I also don't think it is a very good idea for anyone to vote for tRump, especially a person of color. If 1/3rd of younger Black voters don't like being tagged with the term "Tom," then they should stop acting like one.

Trump's long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020 - Vox


https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

What has Trump done for Black people? Here's what his record shows. - Vox


https://www.vox.com/21524499/what-trump-has-done-for-black-people

*tRump has a lot of new entries in his racist portfolio since that first article linked was written in 2020. He added multiple entries today at the Black Journalist Conference.

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Surely you understand that many people disagree with the idiotic decision, only made some 5-10 years ago, to capitalize the "B" yet leave the "W" in "white" lowercase. You must understand why that decision would bother a large portion of the population.

I'll take it a step further and point out how stupid it is to call blacks "African American" when many of then are from non-African parts of the world. Many blacks themselves are opposed to the silly "African American" label.

It is what it is. We are far too focused on race. It is not healthy.

Why is it always about race identity with these MAGA socialists? MAGA socialists always playing identity politics.

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dajo9 said:

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concordtom said:

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The South Sudan basketball team agrees, Kamala Harris is not "black".

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You've seemed to struggle to understand my question, so I'm quoting the relevant part here to help. Now, where did the South Sudan team say Harris wasn't black?

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It was a joke. Are you really that devoid of a sense of humor? Do we need to talk about how black Vice President Harris' lineage was before being raped by a slaveowner?

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Thank you for assisting in the defense against fools. But I don't think it's proper to automatically state (as commonly happens) that descendants of white men and black women were the product of rape, even if the man was a "slave owner".

I'm not trying to minimize the horrible aspects of slavery, which included rape.
I'm just saying, we don't know exactly what the nature of any one particular relationship was.

Rape is a powerful and varied word. It can mean physically overpowering, tearing a person's clothes off. Assault. Battery. It can also mean exploitation of coercion.

I imagine that sometimes a person who has grown up in a social system with severe inequality could allow themselves to engage willingly in a sexual relationship for personal gain, for personal interests. Is this "rape"?

Dr. Henry Louis Gates discusses such delicate topics with guests on his show Finding Your Roots excellently! I recall at least once he showed a black guest, who was the product of one such relationship, that the slave owning white man remained married to his black slave (mother of his children) for decades, long after the emancipation proclamation was announced.

Gates pointed out that we could never know the nature of their relationship, or how it began, but it did end with all the hallmarks of a committed love relationship as we know it now. It was states as such in the man's will upon his death.

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Another powerful word is slavemaster. I'm going to go with rape unless proven beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise.

As I posted in another thread, "I'm confident Trump will talk his way into losing the election."

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Why is it always about race identity with these MAGA socialists? MAGA socialists always playing identity politics.

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MAGA socialists?
I don't think I've heard those two words used together. Please explain.

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Another powerful word is slavemaster. I'm going to go with rape unless proven beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise.

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I'm in no position to state a thing about this relationship I just learned of. But I'll wait for the upcoming research. Maybe Harris should become one of Gates' show guests. That would be awesome!

Anyone else here watch Finding Your Roots? I'm a big fan!
Gates does more for race relations than anyone because he shows us, explains to us, teaches us how America really is one big melting pot.

Sadly, we keep F'ing it up by creating divisions where none are necessary.

To wit, violator #1: Donald Trump, aka Total Ass Whole!!!!

I don't think that "mixed-race people don't know their own backgrounds" is going to be a winning argument for Republicans, but by all means they can continue using it if they want.

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Why is it always about race identity with these MAGA socialists? MAGA socialists always playing identity politics.

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MAGA socialists?
I don't think I've heard those two words used together. Please explain.

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Populism focused on anti-capital and anti-competition. Vilification of corporation and Wall Street as "elite." There is a reason why AOC and Vance both love Lina Khan.

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I don't think that "mixed-race people don't know their own backgrounds" is going to be a winning argument for Republicans, but by all means they can continue using it if they want.

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Hahahaha.
Did he say that???
Oh my god! Who said that???

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I don't think that "mixed-race people don't know their own backgrounds" is going to be a winning argument for Republicans, but by all means they can continue using it if they want.

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Hahahaha.
Did he say that???
Oh my god! Who said that???

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Trump didn't literally say those words, but that seems to be his thrust of his argument about Kamala calling herself Indian and then Black.

Also this:

Habba: Unlike you Kamala, I know who my roots are and where I come from pic.twitter.com/DMpdu2h861

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 31, 2024

With tRump's unfiltered racism and xenophobia puking out of his stream of consciousness pie hole yesterday, it made me think that at a different time and in a different place, if tRump was good at numbers and calculatin' and all, he would have been a passionate civil servant applying the Mischling Test.

Mischling Test - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling_Test

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I don't think that "mixed-race people don't know their own backgrounds" is going to be a winning argument for Republicans, but by all means they can continue using it if they want.

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I don't think Donold is looking for a "winning" argument as in winning people over to his side so much as he's looking to rev up his base. They get excited when he attacks minorities.

He won in 2016 because his deplorables were more energized than Clinton voters (though demographics have shifted in the democrats favor since then). He lost in 2020 because the anti-Donold vote was more energized.

In 2024 we will see who is more energized. Vice President Harris has certainly pumped some energy onto the Democratic side. Donold is now trying to do the same for his side.

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I don't think that "mixed-race people don't know their own backgrounds" is going to be a winning argument for Republicans, but by all means they can continue using it if they want.

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Hahahaha.
Did he say that???
Oh my god! Who said that???

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Trump didn't literally say those words, but that seems to be his thrust of his argument about Kamala calling herself Indian and then Black.

Also this:

Habba: Unlike you Kamala, I know who my roots are and where I come from pic.twitter.com/DMpdu2h861

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 31, 2024

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Oh man, they really enjoy calling her Camel.

It's probably because Trump likes the thought of One Hump, or Two?

Seriously, they are a bunch of pigs.
But my question is, truly, what is Habba's background? Isn't she a middle eastern terrorist??

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But my question is, truly, what is Habba's background? Isn't she a middle eastern terrorist??

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Yeah, but she KNOWS it.

(Her parents were Iraqi refugees who settled in the US.)

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I don't think that "mixed-race people don't know their own backgrounds" is going to be a winning argument for Republicans, but by all means they can continue using it if they want.

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Hahahaha.
Did he say that???
Oh my god! Who said that???

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Trump didn't literally say those words, but that seems to be his thrust of his argument about Kamala calling herself Indian and then Black.

Also this:

Habba: Unlike you Kamala, I know who my roots are and where I come from pic.twitter.com/DMpdu2h861

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 31, 2024

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Oh man, they really enjoy calling her Camel.

It's probably because Trump likes the thought of One Hump, or Two?

Seriously, they are a bunch of pigs.
But my question is, truly, what is Habba's background? Isn't she a middle eastern terrorist??

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You are the one thinking they call her camel because of one hump or two and then calling them all a bunch of pigs? Is there any truth behind the bump or two statement you just made?

Trump remarks on Harris' race echo his birtherism about Obama


https://www.axios.com/2024/08/01/trump-kamala-harris-black-birtherism


"Donald Trump's audacious lie about Vice President Kamala Harris' race confirmed what many had long suspected: running against a Black woman could summon the former president's worst impulses.

Why it matters: Amid outrage from Democrats and discomfort from Republicans, Trump is doubling down on his incendiary claim that Harris recently "became a Black person" for political convenience.
In one fell swoop, Trump hijacked a news cycle dominated by the enthusiasm surrounding Harris' campaign and redirected attention to his long and controversial record on race."

OT is becoming deranged:

-One is now a hardcore leftie if they call someone weird.
-Someone is crying about the capitalization of B and w.
-Weirdo republicans don't know what mix raced is.

Anyone recommend a good, strong bourbon to kill the pain?

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But my question is, truly, what is Habba's background? Isn't she a middle eastern terrorist??

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Yeah, but she KNOWS it.

(Her parents were Iraqi refugees who settled in the US.)

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Iraqi???

"BOMB THEM!"

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OT is becoming deranged:

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Becoming????
Dude, where have you been?

OT was a wasteland until 2016 when Donald Trump got going. 8+ years.

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Trump remarks on Harris' race echo his birtherism about Obama


https://www.axios.com/2024/08/01/trump-kamala-harris-black-birtherism


"Donald Trump's audacious lie about Vice President Kamala Harris' race confirmed what many had long suspected: running against a Black woman could summon the former president's worst impulses.

Why it matters: Amid outrage from Democrats and discomfort from Republicans, Trump is doubling down on his incendiary claim that Harris recently "became a Black person" for political convenience.
In one fell swoop, Trump hijacked a news cycle dominated by the enthusiasm surrounding Harris' campaign and redirected attention to his long and controversial record on race."

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Unfortunately, people are mostly desensitized to it or watching the Olympics.
In the end, people shrug and vote for their parents' party. How else to explain the solid 40% that would follow Trump in a march down the Champs-Elysees so long as he carried a flag with a red elephant on it.

" Someone is crying about the capitalization of B and w."

That would be me. Sorry if you view me calling out dog whistles used by tRumpists as being deranged. My example of deranged is tRump's performance at the Black Journalists Conference yesterday.

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" Someone is crying about the capitalization of B and w."

That would be me. Sorry if you view me calling out dog whistles used by tRumpists as being deranged. My example of deranged is tRump's performance at the Black Journalists Conference yesterday.

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Deranged are the people who watch this 5hit and don't recognize it for what it is.

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Tell me more!
I'm descended from Brewster of the Mayflower (1620), but also have Scottish and Irish ancestors who came in the mid 1800's.

Orangemen?
I don't know any of this history you just referred to.

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Who are the Orangemen? - BBC News


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-18769781

GoOskie said:

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Anyone recommend a good, strong bourbon to kill the pain?

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That's a good solution for you. Get drunk and then vote Republican.

I never knew Donold was orange but he suddenly became orange. When did that happen?

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" Someone is crying about the capitalization of B and w."

That would be me. Sorry if you view me calling out dog whistles used by tRumpists as being deranged. My example of deranged is tRump's performance at the Black Journalists Conference yesterday.

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I was referring to chapman's post. I hadn't noticed yours at all.

And yes, trump's performance at NABJ was pretty deranged.