I am sure they will get that new and better healthcare plan in place this time just as soon as they pass my next "tax cut" because… priorities

I am sure Elon Musk will privatize NASA and Jeff Bezos will take over the USPS

Will there be any time to take reproductive rights away from women or appoint another 2-3 SC justices?

Maybe, but the midterms will likely not be kind because of buyer's remorse. It won't be long with this dipstick in office. I hope we can avoid a pandemic this time.

Sour grapes.

MAGA and MAHA.

Staggering class realignment/shift in working class

Harris lost DESPITE major shift of affluent voters her way

2020: Trump wins voters over $100K, 54-52
2024: *Harris* wins voters over $100K, 54-45

2020: Biden wins voters $50K-$100K, 57-42
2024: *Trump* w/ voters $50K-$100K,…

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) November 6, 2024

Maybe introspection from Dems is in order?

Maybe we need to educate the electorate so poor people will stop electing the party that gives tax breaks to corporations and millionaires, and wants to take away their safety net.

I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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Agreed.

Should be interesting to see how many Executive Orders the Mango Messiah "pumps-out" in his first couple of months showing that he wants to "work" with "others" and UNITE the country.

People have a major distrust and disconnect with the political establishment. The term "our democracy is at stake" is right not because of Trump but because most people don't give a **** about Trump vs Harris. Both parties take these victories as mandates but they are just churn

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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Progressive tantrum.

Stop the war in Ukraine.
Close the border.
Deport violent illegal immigrants.
Shut off all monies and flights of illegal immigrants into our country.
End the Paris Accord.
Which reduces the cost of energy and food.
MAGA.
MAHA.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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You know damn well that this is what is gonna happen. Don't run from it now 003. Why are you all of us sudden running from this? You won! Embrace it. Spike the football. Your guy is in. Don't be shy now. America has elected Donald Trump. The election was not close. Which is surprising to me if you really want my opinion. But - he has a mandate. Don't run from it. Victory lap that sh*t!

Four more years of:

President Trump:
* Promised to cut the deficit but added $8 trillion to it.
* Promised to build a wall; completed only 458 miles out of 2,000, mostly repairs.
* Promised Mexico would pay for the wall; they didn't.
* Promised a new healthcare plan; it never existed.
* Promised a middle-class tax cut; primarily cut taxes for the rich, leaving the middle class to bear the burden.
* Promised not to play golf; made 250 visits to his own golf clubs, costing taxpayers $150 million.
* Promised to increase economic growth by 4%; didn't achieve it, President Biden did.
* Promised an infrastructure plan; had none, President Biden signed a massive one.
* Promised to hire "the best people"; fired 3/4 of them, then labeled them the worst.
* Promised to reduce prescription drug prices; didn't happen, President Biden did.
* Promised to win the trade war with China; it cost about a quarter million jobs.
* Promised corporate tax cuts would benefit workers; corporations used the money to buy back stocks instead.
* Promised to revive the coal industry; more coal jobs were lost during his presidency.
* Promised to drain the swamp; He was the swamp, January 6th insurrection and his Fake Electors conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election proves it.
* Promised to release his tax return, didn't.

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I am sure they will get that new and better healthcare plan in place this time just as soon as they pass my next "tax cut" because… priorities

I am sure Elon Musk will privatize NASA and Jeff Bezos will take over the USPS

Will there be any time to take reproductive rights away from women or appoint another 2-3 SC justices?

Maybe, but the midterms will likely not be kind because of buyer's remorse. It won't be long with this dipstick in office. I hope we can avoid a pandemic this time.

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It means impeachment hearings will be delayed at least two years.

What is the dems Russia Gate this time around to fill the gap?

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My understanding is that President Trump never replaced most or all of the Obama political appointees, which I've heard is 3,000 or 6,000 staffers.

They're gone.

They blocked MAGA, like not filling the Strategic Oil Reserve. Disgusting.

Obama should leave DC. He's coming off like a historic narcissist. Go away, your daughters are out of school.

Common sense.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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Progressive tantrum.

Stop the war in Ukraine.
Close the border.
Deport violent illegal immigrants.
Shut off all monies and flights of illegal immigrants into our country.
End the Paris Accord.
Which reduces the cost of energy and food.
MAGA.
MAHA.

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Stop the war in Ukraine = give Putin what he wants.
Close the border = deport illegals.
Deport violent illegal immigrants = change naturalization laws
shut off all monies and flights of illegal immigrants into our country. This one is curious to me but, yeah do it.
End Paris Accord = deny climate change. f*@k the polar bears
Which reduces the cost of energy and food = is this a statement?

You won. Congrats! Now go deliver.

ps. can you see if he can he can stop this NIL bullcrap, restore the Pac/B1G Rose Bowl affiliation, and disband the NCAA and CFP? Seriously.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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Progressive tantrum.

Stop the war in Ukraine.
Close the border.
Deport violent illegal immigrants.
Shut off all monies and flights of illegal immigrants into our country.
End the Paris Accord.
Which reduces the cost of energy and food.
MAGA.
MAHA.

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Stop the war in Ukraine = give Putin what he wants.
Close the border = deport illegals.
Deport violent illegal immigrants = change naturalization laws
shut off all monies and flights of illegal immigrants into our country. This one is curious to me but, yeah do it.
End Paris Accord = deny climate change. f*@k the polar bears
Which reduces the cost of energy and food = is this a statement?

You won. Congrats! Now go deliver.

ps. can you see if he can he can stop this NIL bullcrap, restore the Pac/B1G Rose Bowl affiliation, and disband the NCAA and CFP? Seriously.

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Those things don't equal each other. Try to read your own post objectively. You are fear mongering.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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oh *****you. *****you in the ear. You know damn well that this is what is gonna happen. Don't run from it now 003. Why are you all of us sudden running from this? You won! Embrace it. Spike the football. Your guy is in. Don't be shy now. America has elected Donald Trump. The election was not close. Which is surprising to me if you really want my opinion. But - he has a mandate. Don't run from it. Victory lap that sh*t!

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Get a hold of yourself and hang in there. I did not vote for Trump. I was hoping for a better candidate from both parties.

Time to purge Team Obama.

FCC reforms, too.

Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

Four states that voted for Trump also passed measures preserving the right to abortion. The cult of personality was more important

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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This is basically how I'm taking it this time. Let it happen and see how everyone likes it. This isn't like 2016 where it was a bit of a fluke. People voted for this.

Ah, the whataboutism. Right proper that. I would just refer to Project 2025. Let's see where Russel Vought ends up in the Trump Admin. But - he's President. America elected him. We deserve it.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicating 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicated 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Also, the American people felt lied to. We were told Biden was not having cognative difficulties. Even after the disastrous debate, all the Dems were still on board. Then, what, like three weeks later, Biden drops out. Turns out they were lying to us the entire time. That's enough to get some to vote for the other side.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicated 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Disagree. Crime is down. Violent crime is down. DOJ stats prove this out. The economy is good. Inflation is down. Unemployment is down. But, none of these economic benefits seem to be filtering down to the working and middle class. But, relitigating this is pointless. I would have to agree that Trump framed it correctly.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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Some people on this board either need serious therapy, kick drugs, or need to grow up. Here are some facts.

1. Democrats fearmongered that President Trump would start wars, and nuclear war. It never happened.

2. He never started a single war.

3. He signed FIVE MIDEAST PEACE DEALS. He should have received the Nobel Peace Prize. (Obama got the NPP for being half Black and elected.)

4. Biden-Harris directly contributed to TWO major wars and over one million dead.

5. A GOP Congressman suggested we go to war w North Korea. [This is called perspective and honesty.]

6. Crime has exploded under Biden-Harris, including hate crimes against Asian Americans.

7. Biden-Harris purposefully injected 5 - 12 million illegal, unvetted immigrants, including 12 -15,000 murderers, and hundreds if thousands of criminal felons.

[President Trump asserts that Venezuela shipped their criminals to us, I don't have all the facts, but we've seen Venezuelan gangs take over whole apartment buildings.]

8. The Green New Deal - global warming theory - has contributed to crushing food and energy inflation. This needs to end.

9. Want to truly help the environment, reduce energy use, and provide jobs?

A. Give 10 million homes a year a tax for insulation (real insulation, not graft).

B. Quadruple, or more, the Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch Cleanup. The young folks have perfected a giant floating trash collector which protects fish and removes plastic. Ramp it up!

C. Fund river Interceptors ($1 million each). 1,000 key rivers produce most of the ocean garbage.

D. Fast track thinning Federal forests in the West. Our forests are out of equilibrium and we need to stop the Super Fires. (Including CO2)

10. Europe has ripped us off with unfair trade deals for decades. We subsidize their Liberal programs. The party should end.

11. Our public streets are a cross between Mad Max and Calcutta. It's unbelievable. This isn't fear mongering, this is the result of Liberal policies. Your policies failed.

These word games and projection may be planned Saul Alinsky tactics. For some it may be prolonged adolescent mental development and supercharged pot use. It's gone on too long.

MAGA. MAHA. MASA.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicated 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Disagree. Crime is down. Violent crime is down. DOJ stats prove this out. The economy is good. Inflation is down. Unemployment is down. But, none of these economic benefits seem to be filtering down to the working and middle class. But, relitigating this is pointless. I would have to agree that Trump framed it correctly.

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Crime is not down. Inflation is starting to taper after 2 years. Stock market is good. Corporations doing well while small business suffer. Unemployment is down relative to where is what during a once in a lifetime pandemic. Homelessness is up.

Uh, well, no not really.

Just off the top of my head, your numbers 6 and 7 are patently false. "purposefully injected" I like that. Wasn't all the asian hate crimes under Trump since he called covid the China virus? Chine-nah

The venezuelan street gang and Haitians eating pets are "debunked" lies. But they worked!

He won. Libs lost. Scoreboard.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicated 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Disagree. Crime is down. Violent crime is down. DOJ stats prove this out. The economy is good. Inflation is down. Unemployment is down. But, none of these economic benefits seem to be filtering down to the working and middle class. But, relitigating this is pointless. I would have to agree that Trump framed it correctly.

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Crime is not down. Inflation is starting to taper after 2 years. Stock market is good. Corporations doing well while small business suffer. Unemployment is down relative to where is what during a once in a lifetime pandemic. Homelessness is up.

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003, crime is down. Inflation has been on the decline for the past two years. From a high of 9.1 in July 2022, to where it was in October 2.4. Homelessness is up but do you honestly care about homeless people? Eh, they're gonna get bulldozed anyway.

I would say that we are in the midst of a post truth society. Social media, partisan news outlets. Your assertion about crime. Crime IS down. Stats can be provided. But it doesn't matter. Because your belief that crime is up is based on emotion. Or Haitians eating pets. Didn't happen. Emotion makes it true.

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicated 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Disagree. Crime is down. Violent crime is down. DOJ stats prove this out. The economy is good. Inflation is down. Unemployment is down. But, none of these economic benefits seem to be filtering down to the working and middle class. But, relitigating this is pointless. I would have to agree that Trump framed it correctly.

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Crime is not down. Inflation is starting to taper after 2 years. Stock market is good. Corporations doing well while small business suffer. Unemployment is down relative to where is what during a once in a lifetime pandemic. Homelessness is up.

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003, crime is down. Inflation has been on the decline for the past two years. From a high of 9.1 in July 2022, to where it was in October 2.4. Homelessness is up but do you honestly care about homeless people? Eh, they're gonna get bulldozed anyway.

I would say that we are in the midst of a post truth society. Social media, partisan news outlets. Your assertion about crime. Crime IS down. Stats can be provided. But it doesn't matter. Because your belief that crime is up is based on emotion. Or Haitians eating pets. Didn't happen. Emotion makes it true.

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Crime is not down. Inflation has risen and is tapering off. Of course the rates will slow after going up year over year astronomically.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/much-grocery-prices-increased-since-140029491.html

Ok, you're doing this again. Post truth. My own stats. My own echo chamber. Crime is down.

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-data-shows-violent-crime-down-for-a-second-consecutive-year-/7795119.html

And we are not talking about just grocery prices, we are talking about the price index as a whole.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

You're proving my point. Truth does not matter. If the inflation rate is down, to you it really isn't. If the crime rate is down. No, it really isn't.

But this is pointless. Again, congrats on your victory.

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Ok, you're doing this again. Post truth. My own stats. My own echo chamber. Crime is down.

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-data-shows-violent-crime-down-for-a-second-consecutive-year-/7795119.html

And we are not talking about just grocery prices, we are talking about the price index as a whole.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

You're proving my point. Truth does not matter. If the inflation rate is down, to you it really isn't. If the crime rate is down. No, it really isn't.

But this is pointless. Again, congrats on your victory.

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Crime is NOT down. You're ignoring the fact that people are choosing to not report many crimes because it does no good to do so.