philly1121 said:

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That's the other thread. So Goggles - should we deport? Yes, right? He's here illegally. He voted illegally. He tried to get benefits. That's fraud.

Deport, right? Please just say yes.

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LOL.

Can you provide a link for the alleged illegal voter? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything.

Happy to answer your question when I know what is being reported.

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AunBear89 said:

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Classic whataboutism. What a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and morons.

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I love how Roevember and others are constantly posting Twitter posts, justifying their vote. See! She shoved Joe out of the way and look what happened! As if any of them cared or predicted this.

This is interesting to me because I can't get one of them to admit anything about Project 2025. I can't get 003 to admit that Kamala has legal recourse to remand the electoral college counts back to state legislatures.

I don't mind the football being spiked but at least own what got you the W.

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I looked back to see what you asked. I suppose as VP Kamala has a role in the vote certification process. I don't know why it is relevant nor why you are making a big deal out of it.

https://wsvn.com/news/local/florida/more-than-60-years-after-moving-to-the-u-s-florida-man-discovers-hes-not-here-legally/

Poor Jimmy Klass. He's actually Canadian. Initial report I saw was that he was Cuban. Seems pretty straightforward. Hell even he says he'll go back.

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philly1121 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Classic whataboutism. What a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and morons.

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I love how Roevember and others are constantly posting Twitter posts, justifying their vote. See! She shoved Joe out of the way and look what happened! As if any of them cared or predicted this.

This is interesting to me because I can't get one of them to admit anything about Project 2025. I can't get 003 to admit that Kamala has legal recourse to remand the electoral college counts back to state legislatures.

I don't mind the football being spiked but at least own what got you the W.

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I looked back to see what you asked. I suppose as VP Kamala has a role in the vote certification process. I don't know why it is relevant nor why you are making a big deal out of it.

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lol has a role. I'm sure you know what MAGA and Trump's constitutional argument was with regard to the certification process. John Eastman stated that Pence had constitutional authority to not certify the results of the electoral college and revert back to the states for review. Basically saying that Pence had the authority to decertify the election.

So, I once again ask you, since you're MAGA and you felt there was widespread voter fraud (lol) in 2020, does Harris have the constitutional authority to stop the steal and remand the electoral college results to the states for further review? Doesn't get any simpler than that.

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oski003 said:

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philly1121 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Classic whataboutism. What a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and morons.

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I love how Roevember and others are constantly posting Twitter posts, justifying their vote. See! She shoved Joe out of the way and look what happened! As if any of them cared or predicted this.

This is interesting to me because I can't get one of them to admit anything about Project 2025. I can't get 003 to admit that Kamala has legal recourse to remand the electoral college counts back to state legislatures.

I don't mind the football being spiked but at least own what got you the W.

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I looked back to see what you asked. I suppose as VP Kamala has a role in the vote certification process. I don't know why it is relevant nor why you are making a big deal out of it.

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lol has a role. I'm sure you know what MAGA and Trump's constitutional argument was with regard to the certification process. John Eastman stated that Pence had constitutional authority to not certify the results of the electoral college and revert back to the states for review. Basically saying that Pence had the authority to decertify the election.

So, I once again ask you, since you're MAGA and you felt there was widespread voter fraud (lol) in 2020, does Harris have the constitutional authority to stop the steal and remand the electoral college results to the states for further review? Doesn't get any simpler than that.

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I am completely unaware of any stealing going on during the 2024 election and therefore do not understand the relevance of your statements. Trump won in a landslide. I am not Maga and did not vote for Trump. I don't like Kamala for reasons previously stated. Is there anything else you are completely mixed up on that I can clarify?

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Typical. As I expected.

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Good.

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https://wsvn.com/news/local/florida/more-than-60-years-after-moving-to-the-u-s-florida-man-discovers-hes-not-here-legally/

Poor Jimmy Klass. He's actually Canadian. Initial report I saw was that he was Cuban. Seems pretty straightforward. Hell even he says he'll go back.

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That is an absolute outlier. His father was US citizen so it seems odd that he's not a citizen per birth right. It seems he might be but is having a hard time proving it.

To answer your question, I think he should be able to litigate his claimed citizenship. He should not vote going forward unless/until he found to be a citizen - if he does it would be a crime and should be charged as such.

In terms of past voting, to the extent the statute of limitations does not apply, I suppose he could be charged if it is a crime. It is unclear to me if it is - I don't know if the criminal statute requires that he "know" he wasn't a citizen (most, but not all, crimes do require what is referred to as "mens rea"). Under these circumstances, I doubt any prosecutor would pursue that case.

In terms of deporting him, let him have his day in court. And then let's put him in line behind all of the more recent people who knowingly and intentionally illegally crossed the border or made bogus asylum claims. Criminals first, then let's work backwards in time.

To the larger point, for you to cite this case - again a complete outlier - and analogize it to people who have illegally crossed the border in the last 4 years is just absurd. But carry on.

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philly1121 said:

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Classic whataboutism. What a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and morons.

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I love how Roevember and others are constantly posting Twitter posts, justifying their vote. See! She shoved Joe out of the way and look what happened! As if any of them cared or predicted this.

This is interesting to me because I can't get one of them to admit anything about Project 2025. I can't get 003 to admit that Kamala has legal recourse to remand the electoral college counts back to state legislatures.

I don't mind the football being spiked but at least own what got you the W.

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I looked back to see what you asked. I suppose as VP Kamala has a role in the vote certification process. I don't know why it is relevant nor why you are making a big deal out of it.

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It is going to be pure comedic gold watching Kamala certify the electoral win of the guy she called a fascist.

Ha. I thought nuance was the domain of the evil libtards? There should be no distinction. But, you carry water. I mean, carry on as well.

I think we need to see this from the standpoint of television ratings. Who had the better ratings, Biden or Trump II? That will decide it.

The BearInsider MAGA Self Abuse Echo Chamber. Enjoy.

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No, not exactly.

What else is a Socialist going to say?

D's did plenty of stuff purportedly to help the working class. 70% of people said the economy was bad and we are headed in the wrong direction. Official economic reports to the contrary, they didn't perceive the measures worked. It was time for a change.

If we change the question to be "undemocratic" and "beholden to their oligarchs" (instead of an economic class question), then yes, I agree with that. Going back to rigging the process for HRC vs Bern up through executing a coup against a sitting President, the D party is politically corrupt in a way that works against working class people.

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Purportedly.
Is that like "reportedly"?
Or is it like "People are saying…"
And so therefore it IS.
Right? is that how that works?


-misinformation police


Secondly, "they didn't perceive the measures worked"
Maybe that's because "the media" constantly tells people (Fox) that the economy is not bad and that inflation is crushing, or contrarily, continues to ask people (CNN, even MSNBC) how they are feeling about inflation.

In summary, what we've (at least, I've) learned here in these Trump years (decade) is that people (voters) can be totally manipulated. They can be directed towards issues ("trans athletes is a scourge upon society") and their anxiety levels (fear) can be totally revved up.

Republicans have done a better job of that. I mean, what is more tangible to fear? A caravan of immigrants who don't look like you or speak your language and who are demonized as bringing drugs, diseases, are murderers, rapists, and thieves
OR
"Democracy"?

This is why I return to Nazi propaganda. They demonized "the others". It worked - until it didn't.

We'll see how this next era goes.
If it goes to sh:t, don't say we didn't say it would.

going4roses said:

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The problem wasn't the messaging; the problem was the product. Nobody wants what the Dems are selling.

Virtually nobody

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False statement.

72,372,902 votes (48.1%)
and growing, as #1 population state CA votes continue to be counted.



-misinformation police

BearGoggles said:

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oski003 said:

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philly1121 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Classic whataboutism. What a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and morons.

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I love how Roevember and others are constantly posting Twitter posts, justifying their vote. See! She shoved Joe out of the way and look what happened! As if any of them cared or predicted this.

This is interesting to me because I can't get one of them to admit anything about Project 2025. I can't get 003 to admit that Kamala has legal recourse to remand the electoral college counts back to state legislatures.

I don't mind the football being spiked but at least own what got you the W.

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I looked back to see what you asked. I suppose as VP Kamala has a role in the vote certification process. I don't know why it is relevant nor why you are making a big deal out of it.

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It is going to be pure comedic gold watching Kamala certify the electoral win of the guy she called a fascist.

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It is going to be pure tragic-comedy gold watching Trump make maneuvers to assure that the hands of government are forever placed in the hands of:
A) himself
B) his children
C) his puppet(s)
D) corrupt billionaire elites
E) Putin

Take your pick.

Or, did you really think he's going to leave after Dems take over both chambers and the WH?

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The Official Democrats Lack of Self-Reflection As To Why They Lost

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Actually, not true.
Carville suggested it was because Kamala said she wouldn't change any of Biden's policies.
Many have blamed Biden for hubris, trying to hold on too long (past his initial "I'll be a transitional President" statement.

And Morning Joe Scarborough suggested it was because she wasn't a 6'4" white male who liked to watch football and drink beer with the guys.

I'm going with C, Joe, all the way on this one.




-misinformation police

concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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The problem wasn't the messaging; the problem was the product. Nobody wants what the Dems are selling.

Virtually nobody

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Context ... I don't know who was buying what she was selling except I'm not as bad as trump

False statement.

72,372,902 votes (48.1%)
and growing, as #1 population state CA votes continue to be counted.



-misinformation police

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going4roses said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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The problem wasn't the messaging; the problem was the product. Nobody wants what the Dems are selling.

Virtually nobody

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False statement.

72,372,902 votes (48.1%)
and growing, as #1 population state CA votes continue to be counted.



-misinformation police

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Context ... I don't know who was buying what she was selling except "I'm not as bad as trump"

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As I said, 72,372,902 votes (48.1%).
That's who.

Update: 73,115,813 votes , 48.2%

Some white male liberal should just come out and say it:

"Hello, minorities and women… unfortunately, Obama was an aberration. And Hillary and Kamala were the proof: MISOGYNIST WHITE AMERICA IS NOT GOING TO ELECT YOU TO THE TOP SPOT.

So, therefore, I am running to be your placeholder of values so we can beat back the racists and the rich, the cruel and the corrupt, the uneducated and the fools!

All y'all are simply gonna have to take it for a few more decades until such time that whites become the minority - and then you can give it back to them, us, ME!

Vote for Me!"

That bluntness might do it.

concordtom said:

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Some white male liberal should just come out and say it:

"Hello, minorities and women… unfortunately, Obama was an aberration. And Hillary and Kamala were the proof: MISOGYNIST WHITE AMERICA IS NOT GOING TO ELECT YOU TO THE TOP SPOT.

So, therefore, I am running to be your placeholder of values so we can beat back the racists and the rich, the cruel and the corrupt, the uneducated and the fools!

All y'all are simply gonna have to take it for a few more decades until such time that whites become the minority - and then you can give it back to them, us, ME!

Vote for Me!"

That bluntness might do it.

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This rant is interesting in that the only demographic where Harris gained over Biden was affluent white people.

Women, blacks, Hispanics, young people- Trump did better with all these than Biden did, four years ago.

Harris was an affluent white man candidate- the provincial BI demographic

concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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The problem wasn't the messaging; the problem was the product. Nobody wants what the Dems are selling.

Virtually nobody

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False statement.

72,372,902 votes (48.1%)
and growing, as #1 population state CA votes continue to be counted.



-misinformation police

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Context ... I don't know who was buying what she was selling except "I'm not as bad as trump"

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As I said, 72,372,902 votes (48.1%).
That's who.

Update: 73,115,813 votes , 48.2%

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I was curious what things looked like outside of California and New York and was surprised by result. I knew it would have a big effect, but without them, Trump won the popular vote by 6.8 million. In 2020 Biden and Trump were essentially tied without these two. That happened because of the 8 million + votes the Democrats 'lost' in 2024, 7.1 million were in CA and NY. The pro Trump impact of Texas and Florida was substantially less.

Have no idea what this means; maybe less focus on the 'sure' states. I guess without the electoral college the campaigning would basically happen in CA, NY, FL and TX

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Some white male liberal should just come out and say it:

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"White Dudes For Harris". It worked.

These people voted for AOC and Donald Trump. pic.twitter.com/v1QE1I5crj

— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) November 15, 2024

HKBear97! said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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The problem wasn't the messaging; the problem was the product. Nobody wants what the Dems are selling.

Virtually nobody

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False statement.

72,372,902 votes (48.1%)
and growing, as #1 population state CA votes continue to be counted.



-misinformation police

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Context ... I don't know who was buying what she was selling except "I'm not as bad as trump"

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As I said, 72,372,902 votes (48.1%).
That's who.

Update: 73,115,813 votes , 48.2%

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I do find this amusing because I made the same case in 2020 when 74.2 million people voted for Trump, but the media and many liberals where I live kept saying nobody wanted Trump. I suppose the hashtag #notmypresident will be returning then?

By the way, does no one find it odd that Harris is missing nearly 8 million votes that went to Biden in 2020? Where did those go? And oddity #2, the only states Harris won required no voter ID. Very strange indeed.

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Gosh, you must be on to something.
Biden cheated, right?

Pffft.

tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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Some white male liberal should just come out and say it:

"Hello, minorities and women… unfortunately, Obama was an aberration. And Hillary and Kamala were the proof: MISOGYNIST WHITE AMERICA IS NOT GOING TO ELECT YOU TO THE TOP SPOT.

So, therefore, I am running to be your placeholder of values so we can beat back the racists and the rich, the cruel and the corrupt, the uneducated and the fools!

All y'all are simply gonna have to take it for a few more decades until such time that whites become the minority - and then you can give it back to them, us, ME!

Vote for Me!"

That bluntness might do it.

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There is a decent amount of info out there indicating this is not about race and misogyny.

There's a recent NY Times article where they interviewed young voters who switched to Trump. General theme - the economy, Trump represents "normalcy" (ie, D's are too extreme), etc. Basically the stuff non-D's have been pointing to here.

The latest Youguv poll (by Rasmussen?) was pretty fascinating. D's generally perceived the economy as good; Independents and R's were exactly the opposite. Voting trended toward following that answer.

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Anyone who can't figure out the economy is very good is a dope and/or listening to the Trump propaganda networks.
Brainwashed and misinformed. That's the trouble with democracy where voters are dumb and can be manipulated.