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In reply to movielover • 11:07p, 2/23/25
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POTUS Trump tabs Dan Bongino as Deputy FBI Director.

Is there some chocolate in that cream?

https://www.quora.com/What-ethnicity-is-Dan-Bongino-I-saw-him-say-he-s-not-black-he-is-Italian-He-has-to-have-substantial-Sub-Saharan-DNA-He-seems-a-little-in-denial

Not sure why you posted this, but the fact that you did really makes you seem obsessed with race / skin color.
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In reply to concordtom • 9:28a, 2/24/25
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These workers' boss is in debt thirty trillion dollars.
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"President Trump named bombastic MAGA podcast star Dan Bongino as deputy FBI director a role that doesn't request Senate confirmation, and typically goes to a senior agent.

With loyalist Kash Patel confirmed as FBI director, the bureau can function effectively as Trump's private security force."
-Axios
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In reply to concordtom • 9:59a, 2/24/25
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My experience working in the corporate world is that when your boss starts actively micro-managing you like this it's time to start interviewing elsewhere. They're getting ready to let you go anyway.
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Cleaning up Biden's mess.

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In reply to harebear • 11:13a, 2/24/25
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What was the vote specifically on? Seems like a relevant fact to understand. Is there a link to the resolution?
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In reply to BearGoggles • 11:15a, 2/24/25
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harebear said:
What was the vote on? Seems like a relevant fact to understand.
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11:45a, 2/24/25
Just a moronic president being embarrassed . . . again.


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In reply to chazzed • 12:05p, 2/24/25
Sites seem to be highly politicized. This site shows the US and UK contributing the most.

Some of the alleged EU numbers appear to be future commitments.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
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In reply to movielover • 1:07p, 2/24/25
movielover said:
Sites seem to be highly politicized. This site shows the US and UK contributing the most.

Some of the alleged EU numbers appear to be future commitments.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/


And a lot of the money provided by the EU is through loans or liquidation of Russian assets.
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In reply to harebear • 1:11p, 2/24/25
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They are so close to tightening the noose on every single lever of power in this country that they now feel confident to do all the stuff out in the open that they used to go to great lengths to hide.


Stephen Miller was just fantasizing during Trump I. It is now a reality in Trump II.


Coming next time there is civil unrest:

Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
-Neil Young

*Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020.
Who tells him "No" this time?
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In reply to sycasey • 2:23p, 2/24/25
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BearGoggles said:
harebear said:
What was the vote on? Seems like a relevant fact to understand.
I agree that it does not look good but I also think it is reasonable to view this in the context of attempting to achieve a peace deal. Right or wrong, Trump believes Russia has the upper hand in the war. That means you make concessions, including not pissing them off unnecessarily with a do nothing UN vote, especially if you believe you are a few weeks away from achieving peace.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 2:56p, 2/24/25
"…..That means you make concessions, including not pissing them off unnecessarily.."

I thought Trump's SOP was to go into any negotiation hard with guns blazing, the Roy Cohn way, and then back off so the other side thinks they made a good deal.
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In reply to bearister • 3:01p, 2/24/25
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"…..That means you make concessions, including not pissing them off unnecessarily.."

I thought Trump's SOP was to go into any negotiation hard with guns blazing, the Roy Cohn way, and then back off so the other side thinks they made a good deal.
I mean, I'm more aligned to Biden than Trump on Ukraine so what do I know.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 3:16p, 2/24/25
Russia has had the upper hand for three years.
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In reply to sycasey • 3:27p, 2/24/25
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concordtom said:
My experience working in the corporate world is that when your boss starts actively micro-managing you like this it's time to start interviewing elsewhere. They're getting ready to let you go anyway.
I mean they want government employees to quit on their own anyway. It's part of how they plan on shrinking it, they will also move headquarters and people will drop off from doing that. The bottom line is our government is too bag and needs to get slimmer.
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In reply to movielover • 3:33p, 2/24/25
movielover said:
Sites seem to be highly politicized. This site shows the US and UK contributing the most.

Some of the alleged EU numbers appear to be future commitments.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
EU defense spending is all effed up too, they add a lot of social spending into their defense spending, as the US keeps that separate. That's how the EU get's their defense spending to go up while not actually having a better ability to defend themselves.

The UK right now can't have 10k of their army to effectively babysit in Ukraine because it would require a force of 30,000 members. 10k to serve in Ukraine, 10k in reserve, and 10k in training. Their entire force is only like 76,000 members and they have other objectives like in Argentina lol. Europe as a whole has went pretty much all in on social welfare while relying on the US for defense and the USA can't afford it anymore, so there is going to be some hard conversations in Europe over the next 6 months.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 3:35p, 2/24/25
tequila4kapp said:
bearister said:
"…..That means you make concessions, including not pissing them off unnecessarily.."

I thought Trump's SOP was to go into any negotiation hard with guns blazing, the Roy Cohn way, and then back off so the other side thinks they made a good deal.
I mean, I'm more aligned to Biden than Trump on Ukraine so what do I know.
I mean, why? What is it about Ukraine that is so crucial for it to join NATO? I think the real question is, does NATO need to exist at all? Why can't Europe defend itself now? If we keep NATO at all, why not a really pared down org that just comes together to discuss world affairs? NATO was always suppose to be a defensive alliance anyway.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 3:59p, 2/24/25
I believe Putin when he talks about re-unifying the old USSR.

I believe allowing Putin to gain territory will embolden China; Taiwan will be next.

All the money/aid in the world isn't worth a single US military life. If Ukrainians are willing to fight for their own country sending them aid is the cheapest way to support them possible.


This is pretty well discussed in the Russia Invasion of Ukraine thread; no need to hijack this thread with that business.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:42p, 2/24/25
tequila4kapp said:
I believe Putin when he talks about re-unifying the old USSR.

I believe allowing Putin to gain territory will embolden China; Taiwan will be next.

All the money/aid in the world isn't worth a single US military life. If Ukrainians are willing to fight for their own country sending them aid is the cheapest way to support them possible.


This is pretty well discussed in the Russia Invasion of Ukraine thread; no need to hijack this thread with that business.


If your premise is true that Putin is trying to push all the way to East Germany and weakening Putin is the goal, then Biden's hawkish stance on Ukraine was the right move.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 5:04p, 2/24/25
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sycasey said:
concordtom said:
My experience working in the corporate world is that when your boss starts actively micro-managing you like this it's time to start interviewing elsewhere. They're getting ready to let you go anyway.
I mean they want government employees to quit on their own anyway. It's part of how they plan on shrinking it, they will also move headquarters and people will drop off from doing that. The bottom line is our government is too bag and needs to get slimmer.

It's a great way to lose the best employees who have other options, yes.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 5:14p, 2/24/25
MinotStateBeav said:
tequila4kapp said:
bearister said:
"…..That means you make concessions, including not pissing them off unnecessarily.."

I thought Trump's SOP was to go into any negotiation hard with guns blazing, the Roy Cohn way, and then back off so the other side thinks they made a good deal.
I mean, I'm more aligned to Biden than Trump on Ukraine so what do I know.
I mean, why? What is it about Ukraine that is so crucial for it to join NATO? I think the real question is, does NATO need to exist at all? Why can't Europe defend itself now? If we keep NATO at all, why not a really pared down org that just comes together to discuss world affairs? NATO was always suppose to be a defensive alliance anyway.

Agree. Ukraine absolutely does not need to join NATO. The European NATO folks seem to be the ones that keep talking about this. They are nuts, unless they are using it as a bargaining chip (which would be a good idea).

You're right, after the Cold War, we should've started to gradually dismantle NATO... certainly not moving it eastward right to the Russian border.

As I've said before, Russia and the US are not necessarily natural enemies. This has been propagated by people like Putin in the east and the neocons in the west. (Note that I am not saying it's a good idea to cozy up to Putin now, like Trump is doing.)
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Just goes to show that the people on the left in this forum are not representative of the current Democratic party, let alone the American people. Most people, as indoctrinated by the MSM as they have been, get it. Not here.

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Legal Chaos: 30 Days of a Trump Presidency That Tested the Law | National News | U.S. News


https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-02-18/legal-chaos-30-days-of-a-trump-presidency-that-tested-the-law

* You can add to this chaos list:
Handing Musk the keys to the Kingdom, the appointments of Pete Hegseth, Cash Patel, Tulsi Gabbard, and RFK Jr., changing the names of a mountain and a gulf, pardoning violent J6 convicted felons and stating the Ukraine started the war with Russia..
….and this only a partial list.

Is there anything here Trump supporters or apologists have any problems with?
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In reply to sycasey • 10:55p, 2/24/25
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
sycasey said:
concordtom said:
My experience working in the corporate world is that when your boss starts actively micro-managing you like this it's time to start interviewing elsewhere. They're getting ready to let you go anyway.
I mean they want government employees to quit on their own anyway. It's part of how they plan on shrinking it, they will also move headquarters and people will drop off from doing that. The bottom line is our government is too bag and needs to get slimmer.

It's a great way to lose the best employees who have other options, yes.
Agreed. The ones who quit are mostly the ones you want to keep. We're losing people that will be difficult to replace, though currently it appears we'll have to be chronically short handed for the foreseeable future. I was told today that we probably can't have more than one person on vacation at a time and that we need to submit 3 choice for vacation this summer and they will try to make sure you get one of them.

Also, moving agencies willy nilly around the country isn't cheap (finding new office space isn't without costs) even if you aren't paying for employee moving costs, which they have often done in the past. I had moving expenses paid for one time.
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7:12a, 2/25/25
More clues about who is really running the government.

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