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In reply to Big C • 7:51a, 2/25/25
Trump isn't really cozying up to Putin but he recognizes the reality of the world we live in. They see the world for what it will look like when the arctic passages open up and the United States could potentially live in a world with Russia to our East and China fighting to our North for arctic resources. If things go badly we could be looking at a 2 front war. With Canada being our soft underbelly. They are trying to peel Russia from being in China's sphere of influence or at least neutral and also looking for more cooperation with Canada on defense but also bringing up the idea of becoming a state, which is why they are using tariffs because Canada knows it can't deal with equalizing trade. They aren't looking for the US to be globally dominant, but instead being hemispherically protected. I think you will see South America become a much bigger priority for the Trump administration as well.
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10:22a, 2/25/25
Whistleblower says FBI deleting files.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGfslN6u8Wy/?img_index=1&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 10:43a, 2/25/25
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Trump isn't really cozying up to Putin but he recognizes the reality of the world we live in. They see the world for what it will look like when the arctic passages open up and the United States could potentially live in a world with Russia to our East and China fighting to our North for arctic resources. If things go badly we could be looking at a 2 front war. With Canada being our soft underbelly. They are trying to peel Russia from being in China's sphere of influence or at least neutral and also looking for more cooperation with Canada on defense but also bringing up the idea of becoming a state, which is why they are using tariffs because Canada knows it can't deal with equalizing trade. They aren't looking for the US to be globally dominant, but instead being hemispherically protected. I think you will see South America become a much bigger priority for the Trump administration as well.
This is a full-on word salad. If we wanted Canada's cooperation then we shouldn't be antagonizing them so much.
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11:31a, 2/25/25
The interesting part of this thread is that many people are criticizing Trump's Ukraine policy - but no one has proposed an alternate strategy.

Like others, I see Putin for the evil despot he is. I want Russia to lose the war. I don't want Putin to be rewarded for his aggression and don't have any confusion as to his responsibility for starting the war (and prior invasions). But what I want doesn't magically manifest into reality.

As I posted many months ago, Biden's approach was utterly lacking in any real strategy. He didn't allow Ukraine to fight to win (e.g., withholding offensive weapons). . but poured hundreds of billions of dollars into fighting a halfway war. He refused/prevented any oversight of the $$ flows into a country with rampant corruption. And he never articulated his end game or how he would achieve it. He never articulated what the US strategic interest was and how he would advance that.

What are the alternatives to Trump negotiating a cease fire giving Putin "something"? The US cannot (and should not) continue to pour money into a lost cause that at best will be a bloody stalemate. And the US citizenry will not support the war on that basis.

Ultimately, the US has many strategic interests and domestic needs that are more important than Ukraine. That is the reality.

For all the criticism of Trump, no one here has presented a better strategic option.

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In reply to BearGoggles • 12:54p, 2/25/25
BearGoggles said:
The interesting part of this thread is that many people are criticizing Trump's Ukraine policy - but no one has proposed an alternate strategy.

Like others, I see Putin for the evil despot he is. I want Russia to lose the war. I don't want Putin to be rewarded for his aggression and don't have any confusion as to his responsibility for starting the war (and prior invasions). But what I want doesn't magically manifest into reality.

As I posted many months ago, Biden's approach was utterly lacking in any real strategy. He didn't allow Ukraine to fight to win (e.g., withholding offensive weapons). . but poured hundreds of billions of dollars into fighting a halfway war. He refused/prevented any oversight of the $$ flows into a country with rampant corruption. And he never articulated his end game or how he would achieve it. He never articulated what the US strategic interest was and how he would advance that.

What are the alternatives to Trump negotiating a cease fire giving Putin "something"? The US cannot (and should not) continue to pour money into a lost cause that at best will be a bloody stalemate. And the US citizenry will not support the war on that basis.

Ultimately, the US has many strategic interests and domestic needs that are more important than Ukraine. That is the reality.

For all the criticism of Trump, no one here has presented a better strategic option.


I tend to agree that the war is probably at a stalemate right now and do not object to peace negotiations. I do object to opening with basically "everything Putin wants" as an offer and to cutting Ukraine out of the process. I think not doing the latter would be a better strategic approach.

Unless you want to ally with Russia over the European democracies, then it's a perfect strategy.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:43p, 2/25/25
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
The interesting part of this thread is that many people are criticizing Trump's Ukraine policy - but no one has proposed an alternate strategy.

Like others, I see Putin for the evil despot he is. I want Russia to lose the war. I don't want Putin to be rewarded for his aggression and don't have any confusion as to his responsibility for starting the war (and prior invasions). But what I want doesn't magically manifest into reality.

As I posted many months ago, Biden's approach was utterly lacking in any real strategy. He didn't allow Ukraine to fight to win (e.g., withholding offensive weapons). . but poured hundreds of billions of dollars into fighting a halfway war. He refused/prevented any oversight of the $$ flows into a country with rampant corruption. And he never articulated his end game or how he would achieve it. He never articulated what the US strategic interest was and how he would advance that.

What are the alternatives to Trump negotiating a cease fire giving Putin "something"? The US cannot (and should not) continue to pour money into a lost cause that at best will be a bloody stalemate. And the US citizenry will not support the war on that basis.

Ultimately, the US has many strategic interests and domestic needs that are more important than Ukraine. That is the reality.

For all the criticism of Trump, no one here has presented a better strategic option.


I tend to agree that the war is probably at a stalemate right now and do not object to peace negotiations. I do object to opening with basically "everything Putin wants" as an offer and to cutting Ukraine out of the process. I think not doing the latter would be a better strategic approach.

Unless you want to ally with Russia over the European democracies, then it's a perfect strategy.
What is the evidence that Trump opened with "everything Putin wants"? Putin wants all of Ukraine and probably some additional countries (Poland).

In terms of cutting out Zelenskyy initially, it was necessary and appropriate: (i) to start with Putin given that Trump has previously met with Zelenskyy but had no dialogue with Putin; and (ii) because Zelenskyy has been taking unrealistic and unreasonable positions, all while acting as if he was the power broker who would never compromise. Zelenskyy's act has grown tired and I personally don't appreciate the way he has suggested Ukraine is entitled to never ending financial support. He's in no position to be making demands.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 2:07p, 2/25/25
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
The interesting part of this thread is that many people are criticizing Trump's Ukraine policy - but no one has proposed an alternate strategy.

Like others, I see Putin for the evil despot he is. I want Russia to lose the war. I don't want Putin to be rewarded for his aggression and don't have any confusion as to his responsibility for starting the war (and prior invasions). But what I want doesn't magically manifest into reality.

As I posted many months ago, Biden's approach was utterly lacking in any real strategy. He didn't allow Ukraine to fight to win (e.g., withholding offensive weapons). . but poured hundreds of billions of dollars into fighting a halfway war. He refused/prevented any oversight of the $$ flows into a country with rampant corruption. And he never articulated his end game or how he would achieve it. He never articulated what the US strategic interest was and how he would advance that.

What are the alternatives to Trump negotiating a cease fire giving Putin "something"? The US cannot (and should not) continue to pour money into a lost cause that at best will be a bloody stalemate. And the US citizenry will not support the war on that basis.

Ultimately, the US has many strategic interests and domestic needs that are more important than Ukraine. That is the reality.

For all the criticism of Trump, no one here has presented a better strategic option.


I tend to agree that the war is probably at a stalemate right now and do not object to peace negotiations. I do object to opening with basically "everything Putin wants" as an offer and to cutting Ukraine out of the process. I think not doing the latter would be a better strategic approach.

Unless you want to ally with Russia over the European democracies, then it's a perfect strategy.
What is the evidence that Trump opened with "everything Putin wants"? Putin wants all of Ukraine and probably some additional countries (Poland).

In terms of cutting out Zelenskyy initially, it was necessary and appropriate: (i) to start with Putin given that Trump has previously met with Zelenskyy but had no dialogue with Putin; and (ii) because Zelenskyy has been taking unrealistic and unreasonable positions, all while acting as if he was the power broker who would never compromise. Zelenskyy's act has grown tired and I personally don't appreciate the way he has suggested Ukraine is entitled to never ending financial support. He's in no position to be making demands.
I don't agree with that, but very well.
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2:48p, 2/25/25
Daily Mail: Trump signs bombshell executive order set to turn American healthcare on its head

"The ruling directs regulators to force healthcare providers and insurers to publicly disclose their prices, the idea being to make it easier for consumers to shop around for better deals.

"The move marks a more aggressive approach to boost compliance with regulations Trump introduced in 2019, which providers have only half-heartedly been following...

"Trump has long advocated for insurers to tell consumers up front the actual prices for common tests and procedures, believing it will drive down costs.

"Healthcare prices have traditionally been veiled in secrecy, determined through private negotiations among doctors, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, and insurers."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14435935/trump-bombshell-executive-turn-american-healthcare.html
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In reply to chazzed • 6:04p, 2/25/25
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Just a moronic president being embarrassed . . . again.
Macron had the balls to rub Trump's thigh. Very French of him.
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In reply to movielover • 6:06p, 2/25/25
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Brigitte Macron is jealous. Man of culture.
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6:24p, 2/25/25
Couldn't keep having cabinet meetings without the President there.

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In reply to sycasey • 6:27p, 2/25/25
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Couldn't keep having cabinet meetings without the President there.

At least Elon has real meaningful skill, unlike Jill Biden who sat in for Joe in his cabinet meetings.
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6:35p, 2/25/25

Deep state, clandestine, taxpayer funded, chatrooms!
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In reply to bear2034 • 6:38p, 2/25/25
bear2034 said:

Deep state, clandestine, taxpayer funded, chatrooms!
This will stun you, but I'm in favor of this if it's as described in news stories.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 6:42p, 2/25/25
We're like the Uni-party now.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 6:52p, 2/25/25
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bear2034 said:

BI boomers, Trump is working on your behalf.
Remember when the Democratic fear mongers said Trump was going to cut your Social Security?
I never believe anything he says but if he pulls this off he may get a third term
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 7:35p, 2/25/25
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sycasey said:
Couldn't keep having cabinet meetings without the President there.

At least Elon has real meaningful skill, unlike Jill Biden who sat in for Joe in his cabinet meetings.

At least one Trump fan is willing to admit that Elon is the real President.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:44p, 2/25/25
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At least one Trump fan is willing to admit that Elon is the real President.
Sounds like another left wing conspiracy to me.
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In reply to bear2034 • 8:21p, 2/25/25
bear2034 said:
Anarchistbear said:
bear2034 said:

BI boomers, Trump is working on your behalf.
Remember when the Democratic fear mongers said Trump was going to cut your Social Security?
I never believe anything he says but if he pulls this off he may get a third term

Also a s*** ton of Medicaid cuts, right?
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9:41p, 2/25/25
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In reply to sycasey • 10:32p, 2/25/25
Hopefully cuts and / or reductions in growth somewhere outside of the Executive branch.
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In reply to bear2034 • 11:12p, 2/25/25
bear2034 said:

Deep state, clandestine, taxpayer funded, chatrooms!

Reportedly, when Secretary of Defense Hegseth saw this tweet, he stormed into her office and said, "Look, dammit, this is what warriors do! More chatrooms, more warriors!!!"
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In reply to movielover • 11:16p, 2/25/25
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POTUS Trump tabs Dan Bongino as Deputy FBI Director.
This is great insurance policy in case someone wants to do harm to Kash.
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In reply to Big C • 1:21a, 2/26/25
Big C said:
bear2034 said:

Deep state, clandestine, taxpayer funded, chatrooms!

Reportedly, when Secretary of Defense Hegseth saw this tweet, he stormed into her office and said, "Look, dammit, this is what warriors do! More chatrooms, more warriors!!!"


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In reply to movielover • 10:57a, 2/26/25
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Were you saying this when Biden orders were getting blocked?
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"President Trump on Tuesday shared an AI-generated video depicting the devastated Gaza Strip as an opulent resort emblazoned with his name. The video was immediately scorned by many Palestinians."
-NY Times



Trump Shares Bizarre AI Vision For Gaza 'Riviera' Utopia


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-shares-bizarre-ai-generated-vision-for-gaza-utopia-complete-with-bearded-belly-dancers-and-gold-statue-of-himself/

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