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Another happy Never Trumper

NeverTrump right again pleased with Trump pic.twitter.com/h7R1oeraVd

— Curt Mills (@CurtMills) January 3, 2026

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Adam Kinzinger is such a tool, desperately trying to forge a new career as a right-of-center, anti-Trump pundit. Whoever gives him airtime is a chump who just wants to fill up minutes with lame twaddle.

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Neocons like Trump will have support from other neocons on foreign policy

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So he was an isolationist and now he's a neocon? Pick a lane people

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I never called Trump an isolationist. You are debating yourself.

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The left did silly

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You considered him a Peace President and he's bombing countries all over the map. My judgment is fine. Yours is bad.

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It's astounding how strong the Kool-Aid still is with Trumpers. It really is.

The mental gymnastics and spin is truly EPIC.
A modern day cult.

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The same is true for the left. Yall couldn't even celebrate for Venezuelans because you hate Trump so much. It's laughable if it wasn't so cult like.

If I had to choose between two cults, I'd much rather be on this side than the side filled with blue haired, whiny white women

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I am going to raise a glass to all Venezuelans this evening! They are certainly fortunate to be able to have the three Americans standing behind Trump "run" their country for an indefinite period. Venezuelans are now the envy of the world!

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Another happy Never Trumper

NeverTrump right again pleased with Trump pic.twitter.com/h7R1oeraVd

— Curt Mills (@CurtMills) January 3, 2026

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Adam Kinzinger is such a tool, desperately trying to forge a new career as a right-of-center, anti-Trump pundit. Whoever gives him airtime is a chump who just wants to fill up minutes with lame twaddle.

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Neocons like Trump will have support from other neocons on foreign policy

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So he was an isolationist and now he's a neocon? Pick a lane people

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I never called Trump an isolationist. You are debating yourself.

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The left did silly

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You considered him a Peace President and he's bombing countries all over the map. My judgment is fine. Yours is bad.

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It's astounding how strong the Kool-Aid still is with Trumpers. It really is.

The mental gymnastics and spin is truly EPIC.
A modern day cult.

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The same is true for the left. Yall couldn't even celebrate for Venezuelans because you hate Trump so much. It's laughable if it wasn't so cult like.

If I had to choose between two cults, I'd much rather be on this side than the side filled with blue haired, whiny white women

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I am going to raise a glass to all Venezuelans this evening! They are certainly fortunate to be able to have the three Americans standing behind Trump "run" their country for an indefinite period. Venezuelans are now the envy of the world!

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Proving my point exactly, thank you. Yall can't even get yourselves past Trump to see that this is an objectively good thing for the Venezuelan people all over the world. Will it take time, yes. Are they free from their dictator, yes.

Go ask citizens of Iran if they are envious of Venezuelans.

Spheres of influence it is!

Rubio, on MTP, says people have a "phobia" about regime change. He says the Western Hemisphere is different than the Middle East.

He called the experts on TV "clown hour"

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 4, 2026

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Another happy Never Trumper

NeverTrump right again pleased with Trump pic.twitter.com/h7R1oeraVd

— Curt Mills (@CurtMills) January 3, 2026

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Adam Kinzinger is such a tool, desperately trying to forge a new career as a right-of-center, anti-Trump pundit. Whoever gives him airtime is a chump who just wants to fill up minutes with lame twaddle.

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Neocons like Trump will have support from other neocons on foreign policy

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So he was an isolationist and now he's a neocon? Pick a lane people

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I never called Trump an isolationist. You are debating yourself.

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The left did silly

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You considered him a Peace President and he's bombing countries all over the map. My judgment is fine. Yours is bad.

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It's astounding how strong the Kool-Aid still is with Trumpers. It really is.

The mental gymnastics and spin is truly EPIC.
A modern day cult.

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The same is true for the left. Yall couldn't even celebrate for Venezuelans because you hate Trump so much. It's laughable if it wasn't so cult like.

If I had to choose between two cults, I'd much rather be on this side than the side filled with blue haired, whiny white women

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I am going to raise a glass to all Venezuelans this evening! They are certainly fortunate to be able to have the three Americans standing behind Trump "run" their country for an indefinite period. Venezuelans are now the envy of the world!

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Proving my point exactly, thank you. Yall can't even get yourselves past Trump to see that this is an objectively good thing for the Venezuelan people all over the world. Will it take time, yes. Are they free from their dictator, yes.

Go ask citizens of Iran if they are envious of Venezuelans.

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Who's next? I kinda wanna say France, but I'm just not sure they have the oil reserves to make it worth our while. Still, it would be cool to "run" them for a few decades!

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Spheres of influence it is!

Rubio, on MTP, says people have a "phobia" about regime change. He says the Western Hemisphere is different than the Middle East.

He called the experts on TV "clown hour"

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 4, 2026

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He's not wrong about the "experts" on tv being clowns.

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Another happy Never Trumper

NeverTrump right again pleased with Trump pic.twitter.com/h7R1oeraVd

— Curt Mills (@CurtMills) January 3, 2026

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Adam Kinzinger is such a tool, desperately trying to forge a new career as a right-of-center, anti-Trump pundit. Whoever gives him airtime is a chump who just wants to fill up minutes with lame twaddle.

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Neocons like Trump will have support from other neocons on foreign policy

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So he was an isolationist and now he's a neocon? Pick a lane people

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I never called Trump an isolationist. You are debating yourself.

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The left did silly

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You considered him a Peace President and he's bombing countries all over the map. My judgment is fine. Yours is bad.

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It's astounding how strong the Kool-Aid still is with Trumpers. It really is.

The mental gymnastics and spin is truly EPIC.
A modern day cult.

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The same is true for the left. Yall couldn't even celebrate for Venezuelans because you hate Trump so much. It's laughable if it wasn't so cult like.

If I had to choose between two cults, I'd much rather be on this side than the side filled with blue haired, whiny white women

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I am going to raise a glass to all Venezuelans this evening! They are certainly fortunate to be able to have the three Americans standing behind Trump "run" their country for an indefinite period. Venezuelans are now the envy of the world!

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Proving my point exactly, thank you. Yall can't even get yourselves past Trump to see that this is an objectively good thing for the Venezuelan people all over the world. Will it take time, yes. Are they free from their dictator, yes.

Go ask citizens of Iran if they are envious of Venezuelans.

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Who's next? I kinda wanna say France, but I'm just not sure they have the oil reserves to make it worth our while. Still, it would be cool to "run" them for a few decades!

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Good deflection.

Why wasn’t @NicolasMaduro sent to GITMO?

Whose idea was it to indict him in New York, a liberal hell hole with a communist Mayor who loves Maduro?@KathyHochul loves Maduro too. She & Mamdani were defending Maduro yesterday.

Maduro should have been indicted in South Florida. pic.twitter.com/UBbE7gVu6d

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) January 4, 2026

Until 15–20 years ago, Venezuela was a functioning democracy with a vibrant civil society and peaceful power transfers.

Comparing it to Libya, Afghanistan, or Iraq reveals deep ignorance.

Those other places were long-standing dictatorships and/or war-torn states plagued by…

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) January 4, 2026

In recent years, Venezuela has seen a sizable surge in evangelical Protestantism, rising to around 30% of the population per 2023 surveys.

Make of that what you will, but it's just one more reason why comparing Venezuela's situation to Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, or Iraq is…

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) January 4, 2026

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You're terribly mistaken.
Your "yall" doesn't apply to me.
Im not on the left and Im not liberal.

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You certainly aren't center or on the right lmaooooo.

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Cool story.

Dont know if you ever graduated from Cal but I was a Business Major at the Haas School and graduated in 1982.
My first Presidential election to vote in was 1980.

How many Cal undergrads do you know of that voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980 or 1984?
How many "llberals" did you know that voted for Ronald Reagan?

Your mistake is you keep thinking that Trump is a Republican.

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45 years is a long time ago, and people's political preferences can change over time, so your point doesn't mean that much. However, I agree that Trump is a democratic in many ways.

Not sure what you graduating from Haas has anything to do with this but cool story. Although it wasn't Haas yet when you went there.

The funny thing is, before Obama I would have called myself center left. Unfortunately the left keeps moving more and more left and I've stayed put making me more to the right now.

Indeed. I'm for solar power (where it makes sense), and why can't PG&E pay back homeowners who produce excess electricity? Bc they pay off Newsom & his pals? Same crowd decides hydro and nuclear power aren't "green", and decide to flush hundreds of millions of gallons of fresh water out the Golden Gate instead of irrigation flooding farms in the Central Valley to refill our aquifers and reduce infrastructure damage.

Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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Another happy Never Trumper

NeverTrump right again pleased with Trump pic.twitter.com/h7R1oeraVd

— Curt Mills (@CurtMills) January 3, 2026

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Adam Kinzinger is such a tool, desperately trying to forge a new career as a right-of-center, anti-Trump pundit. Whoever gives him airtime is a chump who just wants to fill up minutes with lame twaddle.

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Neocons like Trump will have support from other neocons on foreign policy

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So he was an isolationist and now he's a neocon? Pick a lane people

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I never called Trump an isolationist. You are debating yourself.

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The left did silly

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You considered him a Peace President and he's bombing countries all over the map. My judgment is fine. Yours is bad.

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How many wars has he started? Zero.

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What a brain dead statement

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Instead of just insulting people, try to respond with facts to back up your claim.

I'll wait…

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I don't debate people who don't acknowledge definitions of words

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So you're saying you can't tell me any wars Trump has started. Got it!

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Dont know if you ever graduated from Cal but I was a Business Major at the Haas School

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Wow, really? I had no idea.

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Dont know if you ever graduated from Cal but I was a Business Major at the Haas School

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Wow, really? I had no idea.

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This should've been posted in the breaking news thread!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. DUH.

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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When did movielover, or anyone on this site, say Russia has become much stronger than the U.S.?

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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Never mind that Trump & Company left behind the Defense Minister and the Interior Minister, both of whom had bounties on their head and who were names as narco-terrorists in the 2020 indictment.

Guess we'll be seeing boots on the ground soon?
What's the plan?

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You've asked this already and I told you to watch Rubio's interviews from yesterday. Clearly you've chosen not to or you're just being dense now

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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Yeah, no. I haven't seen anyone say this here.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me all the new wars Trump has started

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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Yeah, no. I haven't seen anyone say this here.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me all the new wars Trump has started

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We've repeatedly heard Movielover and Pac-10 Bear claim that Trump has "stopped 8 wars"
I'm still waiting for you or them to tell me all the wars that Trump stopped.

Please be specific.
Thanks!

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There goes your whataboutism again lmao. That has nothing to do with my post, Russia, or new wars Trump has started (zero)

What wars has he started, is the question at hand. Dajo made the claim and has yet to support it with any evidence

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You clearly missed my satire of our mascot in my reply.

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Satire is supposed to be funny right?

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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When did movielover, or anyone on this site, say Russia has become much stronger than the U.S.?

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In a conventional war, Russia is a problem. Our last two military operations were in and out, isolated operations. Russia has destroyed NATO / EU / Ukraine military capabilities, and we're hoping to reach 30% of Russia's ammunition production in a year or two. Russia also has Hazel, an unblockable Mach 10 midrange hypersonic missile with 36 programmable sub missiles. Escalatory dominance. Can we just fight a war w stealth bombers, bc our aircraft carriers might be useless. It would be ugly. Better to make peace, and get rare earths (not rare) from Russia. We have a lot in common.

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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When did movielover, or anyone on this site, say Russia has become much stronger than the U.S.?

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In a conventional war, Russia is a problem. Our last two military operations were in and out, isolated operations. Russia has destroyed NATO / EU / Ukraine military capabilities, and we're hoping to reach 30% of Russia's ammunition production in a year or two. Russia also has Hazel, an unblockable Mach 10 midrange hypersonic missile with 36 programmable sub missiles. Escalatory dominance. Can we just fight a war w stealth bombers, bc our aircraft carriers might be useless. It would be ugly. Better to make peace, and get rare earths (not rare) from Russia. We have a lot in common.

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There's no such thing as a conventional war anymore. I certainly do not want us to go to war with any world power, or anyone for that matter but there is no military on earth that works with the precision of the US military. It took us awhile to get there but at this point and time, it's us and then everyone else.

Russia - Ukraine / NATO.

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Looks like our military tore through the best air defense system in South America, most supplied by China. Or had the locals already given up?

And China's energy and minerals contracts go "poof".

🇻🇪🇺🇸 OPINION: VENEZUELA DIDN’T LOSE ITS AIR DEFENSE - IT CHOSE NOT TO USE IT

Venezuela once had one of the most formidable air defense networks in the region, built with Russian, Chinese, Swedish, and even U.S. systems.

Its arsenal reportedly included over 20 Su-30 fighter… pic.twitter.com/hXqFH9Fztz

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 4, 2026

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And at the same time you say Russia has become much stronger than us

Pigeons on a chessboard

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Yup! I don't like the US invading other countries who are no threat to us, but one of the positive sides to this action is that it shows that Russia's "protection" for its allies in the global south isn't worth much.