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Conservatives: What are you most conservative about ?
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Oh boy. This isn't gonna be a problem thread at all
Why would it ? A honest question? I wasn't being disingenuous. This question came from a genuine place if trying to learn and get a better understanding.
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Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
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I know you weren't. I didn't mean my comment that way. I was anticipating that whatever conservatives say, Liberals will be in here telling them how they are wrong. If there was a thread for Libs, Conservatives would do the same.going4roses said:
Why would it ? A honest question? I wasn't being disingenuous. This question came from a genuine place if trying to learn and get a better understanding.
G4R
tequila4kapp said:I know you weren't. I didn't mean my comment that way. I was anticipating that whatever conservatives say, Liberals will be in here telling them how they are wrong. If there was a thread for Libs, Conservatives would do the same.going4roses said:
Why would it ? A honest question? I wasn't being disingenuous. This question came from a genuine place if trying to learn and get a better understanding.
G4R
Yeah I see too much disagreement no actual discussion. The infighting is so unproductive. One of the reasons I am independent sometimes I'm conservative sometimes I'm progressive it varies from issue to issue.
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> Yeah I see too much disagreement no actual discussion. The infighting is so unproductive. One of the reasons I am independent sometimes I'm conservative sometimes I'm progressive it varies from issue to issue.
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Conservatives: What are you most conservative about ?
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Conservatives: What are you most conservative about ?
OBAMA wants to 'fundamentally change America', why?
— Michael Savage (@ASavageNation) November 2, 2024
This great nation gave him fame and fortune.
Conserve the country's founding: Conserve the U.S. Constitution
No one is infallible
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do you mean preserve?bear2034 said:Quote:
Conservatives: What are you most conservative about ?OBAMA wants to 'fundamentally change America', why?
— Michael Savage (@ASavageNation) November 2, 2024
This great nation gave him fame and fortune.
Conserve the country's founding: Conserve the U.S. Constitution
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That's not what my wife says.going4roses said:
No one is infallible
Eastern Oregon Bear said:That's not what my wife says.going4roses said:
No one is infallible
Yikes lol
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No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I thought conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I though conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
More guns, less butter.
Progressives rooting for the bloated MIC and freaking out about the yellow or red menace is an unexpected and very unfortunate development in the post 9-11 era.
Cal88 said:SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I though conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
More guns, less butter.
Progressives rooting for the bloated MIC and freaking out about the yellow or red menace is an unexpected and very unfortunate development in the post 9-11 era.
I am pro guns / pro 2nd amendment all day everyday
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I thought conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
BREAKING: The Pentagon has failed its 7th annual audit in a row.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) November 16, 2024
It says is still unable to fully account for its more than $824 billion budget.
You left out the adjective, "wasteful" as in wasteful spending.
SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I thought conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
The democrats won the election pic.twitter.com/6mqT65CPTw
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I think my first class at Cal was Political Science 1, or 100, or whatever it was called. Intro to Poli Sci and Judith Gruber was the lecturer. And in her first class, she discussed the competing values of liberty versus equality. Extreme liberty results in more inequality. Extreme equality results less liberty.
In the US, I think this is a fair way to think about things, albeit simplistic. We live in a largely free society, so its a question of degrees, not extremes. Or at least it has been until recently.
Conservatives tend to place greater weight on liberty interests, both in terms of capitalism and in the sense of smaller government. Liberals tend to place greater emphasis on equality, often through government imposed laws and taxation.
Just to be clear, I think most liberals and conservatives in the US value both - excluding the far left and far right. So for most people it just comes down to how the two are weighed.
I come down on the liberty side of the equation which is why I'm fairly characterized as libertarian or conservative (somewhere in the middle). Sometimes that means I have classical "liberal" positions - such as when it comes to speech or governmental rules on abortion. And inequality does concern me, more now than it did 37 years ago when I was in Gruber's class. The world has changed in that regard and it would be foolish to deny that - Trump is manifestation of that reality.
In the US, I think this is a fair way to think about things, albeit simplistic. We live in a largely free society, so its a question of degrees, not extremes. Or at least it has been until recently.
Conservatives tend to place greater weight on liberty interests, both in terms of capitalism and in the sense of smaller government. Liberals tend to place greater emphasis on equality, often through government imposed laws and taxation.
Just to be clear, I think most liberals and conservatives in the US value both - excluding the far left and far right. So for most people it just comes down to how the two are weighed.
I come down on the liberty side of the equation which is why I'm fairly characterized as libertarian or conservative (somewhere in the middle). Sometimes that means I have classical "liberal" positions - such as when it comes to speech or governmental rules on abortion. And inequality does concern me, more now than it did 37 years ago when I was in Gruber's class. The world has changed in that regard and it would be foolish to deny that - Trump is manifestation of that reality.
Yeah, until the freaking out shows up in Russian and Chinese aggression. Oh wait, that has already happened.Cal88 said:SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I though conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
More guns, less butter.
Progressives rooting for the bloated MIC and freaking out about the yellow or red menace is an unexpected and very unfortunate development in the post 9-11 era.
VOTE BLUE for a stronger America
SBGold said:Yeah, until the freaking out shows up in Russian and Chinese aggression. Oh wait, that has already happened.Cal88 said:SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I though conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
More guns, less butter.
Progressives rooting for the bloated MIC and freaking out about the yellow or red menace is an unexpected and very unfortunate development in the post 9-11 era.
VOTE BLUE for a stronger America
America would have been far stronger if we didn't waste $8 trillion on Endless War.
Consider this data point - China spent more on its high-speed rail infrastructure in the early 2010s than on its entire military budget.
Here's the reason this is happening: we can see that the regimes in China and Russia are fundamentally authoritarian and illiberal, and that Russia especially has already proven themselves a military aggressor (China is making aggressive noises but hasn't actually done anything yet, though they certainly are aggressive about economic control). Opposing that kind of ideology makes perfect sense.Cal88 said:
Progressives rooting for the bloated MIC and freaking out about the yellow or red menace is an unexpected and very unfortunate development in the post 9-11 era.
No real progressive goals can be accomplished under authoritarian rule.
I am not an issues guy, per se. Generally, I think about things like federalism, state's rights, size of government, "proper" interpretation of the Constitution, liberty vs equality, etc. Overarching philosophies are fine but we should not follow them dogmatically. My views evolve and are even sometimes inconsistent - political philosophies and personal views of morality, justice and right/wrong do not always align.
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
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If you've done reasonably well (for whatever reasons) you want more liberty, less government. If you are sort of in the dumpster you want help ie. more government. If you've done ridiculously well (for whatever reasons) you want to 'give back' , ie. more government. That's my 8th grade term paper on this subject. I've done reasonably well for a West Pittsburg philosophy major.
This is a very interesting observation.tequila4kapp said:
political philosophies and personal views of morality, justice and right/wrong do not always align.
going4roses said:Cal88 said:SBGold said:No one knows the conservative mindset better than a libgoing4roses said:
Now see my next thread is where this one would go/fit. This was for conservatives to voice/explain where they stand.
Conservatives just want to own the libs. Saw that Vivek and the DOGE team will be decimating DOD spending. I though conservatives supported our military?
It's unbelievable. I want a strong America and it will now be significantly weaker. We will be belong to China soon.
VOTE BLUE
More guns, less butter.
Progressives rooting for the bloated MIC and freaking out about the yellow or red menace is an unexpected and very unfortunate development in the post 9-11 era.
I am pro guns / pro 2nd amendment all day everyday
Spot on.
Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
kelly09 said:Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
A man has to lead his life by a consistent Code of Honor, even though not all may agree with that Code, for example, these two guys that lived by a Code:
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Not very woke of you too. BTW, I agree. At a base, a society must enforce law and order. Just had a real life moment at Chick's last Saturday morning about just this with a well meaning wokester, a homeless person, and my knucklehead Trumpster. You can imagine who wanted to settle this discussion with a fist fight. I may not go back. Security was called. Relaxing Saturday morning coffee... Chick's style.kelly09 said:Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
But the right and wrong and black and white interchange over time?
Trumpsters ruin it for everyone, even donuts82gradDLSdad said:Not very woke of you too. BTW, I agree. At a base, a society must enforce law and order. Just had a real life moment at Chick's last Saturday morning about just this with a well meaning wokester, a homeless person, and my knucklehead Trumpster. You can imagine who wanted to settle this discussion with a fist fight. I may not go back. Security was called. Relaxing Saturday morning coffee... Chick's style.kelly09 said:Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
VOTE BLUE
I didn't even get a donutSBGold said:Trumpsters ruin it for everyone, even donuts82gradDLSdad said:Not very woke of you too. BTW, I agree. At a base, a society must enforce law and order. Just had a real life moment at Chick's last Saturday morning about just this with a well meaning wokester, a homeless person, and my knucklehead Trumpster. You can imagine who wanted to settle this discussion with a fist fight. I may not go back. Security was called. Relaxing Saturday morning coffee... Chick's style.kelly09 said:Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
VOTE BLUE
I'll have to meet you over there sometime and get you one. Diner coffee to boot if you want also82gradDLSdad said:I didn't even get a donutSBGold said:Trumpsters ruin it for everyone, even donuts82gradDLSdad said:Not very woke of you too. BTW, I agree. At a base, a society must enforce law and order. Just had a real life moment at Chick's last Saturday morning about just this with a well meaning wokester, a homeless person, and my knucklehead Trumpster. You can imagine who wanted to settle this discussion with a fist fight. I may not go back. Security was called. Relaxing Saturday morning coffee... Chick's style.kelly09 said:Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
VOTE BLUE
VOTE BLUE
Oh God, don't come Saturday morning. Sometimes it's a **** show.SBGold said:I'll have to meet you over there sometime and get you one. Diner coffee to boot if you want also82gradDLSdad said:I didn't even get a donutSBGold said:Trumpsters ruin it for everyone, even donuts82gradDLSdad said:Not very woke of you too. BTW, I agree. At a base, a society must enforce law and order. Just had a real life moment at Chick's last Saturday morning about just this with a well meaning wokester, a homeless person, and my knucklehead Trumpster. You can imagine who wanted to settle this discussion with a fist fight. I may not go back. Security was called. Relaxing Saturday morning coffee... Chick's style.kelly09 said:Me too.bearister said:
I'm Irish, thus my views of morality, justice and right and wrong are black/white with no gray.
VOTE BLUE
VOTE BLUE
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