concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Harris
48.3%
74,496,552

Trump
49.9%
76,987,825

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By the Summer of 2027, when California will have finished counting all its votes, Kamala is going to pass Trump.

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The last time I was this embarrassed for "California" was the Syracuse game. If you're going to allow mail-in ballots, those should be mailed by the Friday before Election Tuesday and only accepted until Wednesday. Good Lord, we do some stupid s*** sometimes...

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How long did it take to manage elections 200 or 100 years ago?

I think it's fine.

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The reason I do not think it's fine is that California votes more like I do than does most of the rest of the country, but when they're coming in 1-2 weeks after everybody else, nobody's listening anymore. The Trump voters wrote the story of the 2024 election weeks ago... and we did not have our votes in, with which to counter their narrative.

And for what? To adhere to some vestige of the pandemic? People need to be allowed to mail in their ballots even when there's a secure ballot box right next to the mailbox?

Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Harris
48.3%
74,496,552

Trump
49.9%
76,987,825

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By the Summer of 2027, when California will have finished counting all its votes, Kamala is going to pass Trump.

---

The last time I was this embarrassed for "California" was the Syracuse game. If you're going to allow mail-in ballots, those should be mailed by the Friday before Election Tuesday and only accepted until Wednesday. Good Lord, we do some stupid s*** sometimes...

---

How long did it take to manage elections 200 or 100 years ago?

I think it's fine.

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The reason I do not think it's fine is that California votes more like I do than does most of the rest of the country, but when they're coming in 1-2 weeks after everybody else, nobody's listening anymore. The Trump voters wrote the story of the 2024 election weeks ago... and we did not have our votes in, with which to counter their narrative.

And for what? To adhere to some vestige of the pandemic? People need to be allowed to mail in their ballots even when there's a secure ballot box right next to the mailbox?

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I mean, it's "fine" in that the votes are counted accurately before anyone needs to take a new office, sure. But we've already seen how conspiracy nuts can use the optics of a slow count to cast doubt upon the election results, so it's probably best to avoid that as much as possible.

And plenty of other states show that it is possible to count faster.

sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Harris
48.3%
74,496,552

Trump
49.9%
76,987,825

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By the Summer of 2027, when California will have finished counting all its votes, Kamala is going to pass Trump.

---

The last time I was this embarrassed for "California" was the Syracuse game. If you're going to allow mail-in ballots, those should be mailed by the Friday before Election Tuesday and only accepted until Wednesday. Good Lord, we do some stupid s*** sometimes...

---

How long did it take to manage elections 200 or 100 years ago?

I think it's fine.

---

The reason I do not think it's fine is that California votes more like I do than does most of the rest of the country, but when they're coming in 1-2 weeks after everybody else, nobody's listening anymore. The Trump voters wrote the story of the 2024 election weeks ago... and we did not have our votes in, with which to counter their narrative.

And for what? To adhere to some vestige of the pandemic? People need to be allowed to mail in their ballots even when there's a secure ballot box right next to the mailbox?

---

I mean, it's "fine" in that the votes are counted accurately before anyone needs to take a new office, sure. But we've already seen how conspiracy nuts can use the optics of a slow count to cast doubt upon the election results, so it's probably best to avoid that as much as possible.

And plenty of other states show that it is possible to count faster.

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Most states show you can count about 20 times faster.

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/zootopia-sloth-meme-election-count

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

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But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

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It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

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First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

---

But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

---

It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

---

First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

---

BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

---

Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

---

But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

---

It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

---

First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

---

BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

---

Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

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Obama separated children from their parents. The media only reported it when Trump became president.

sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

---

But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

---

It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

---

First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

---

BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

---

Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

---

Obama separated children from their parents. The media only reported it when Trump became president.

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I'm pretty sure that's not true. There were "kids in cages" under Obama for youths who crossed the border on their own. They didn't separate families at the border. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

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Or if the family couldn't prove the kids and parents were related. I did more research and it appears Trump has been stricter here.

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

---

But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

---

It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

---

First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

---

BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

---

Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

---

Lots of documents that neither Biden nor Trump released...and could have. You can be sure Trump is the worst. I don't believe it for a minute. Maybe in a 10 way tie.

concordtom said:

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I anticipate Trump will attempt to create a state of chaos, which he will blame his opposition for, so that he can lengthen his stay beyond 8 years.

He will use his rhetoric and incredibly outrageous governing to rile up opposition.
Perhaps the best thing to do is nothing. Don't hold any marches in the streets, so that his MAGA troops cannot engage in armed conflict, so that he cannot draw in the military. Only under such chaos could he deny 2028 elections.

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pic.twitter.com/TvSRIg6R7G

— Karoline Leavitt (@karolineleavitt) November 27, 2024

Leftists Target Trump Cabinet Nominees with Death Threats, Bomb Threats and Swatting

concordtom said:

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This is no "mandate".

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EVERY SINGLE STATE SHIFTED RED pic.twitter.com/6QjaaD0BcI

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) November 27, 2024

oski003 said:

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Obama separated children from their parents. The media only reported it when Trump became president.

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And Hillary eats aborted baby placenta, right?

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

---

But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

---

It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

---

First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

---

BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

---

Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

---

Lots of documents that neither Biden nor Trump released...and could have. You can be sure Trump is the worst. I don't believe it for a minute. Maybe in a 10 way tie.

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We'll see how you feel in 4 years.

Although, by then, after the train wreck du jour, you'll be brainwashed into thinking if only it wasn't for those damned meddling kids he'd have gotten away with it.

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

---

But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

---

It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

---

First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

---

BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

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Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

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Lots of documents that neither Biden nor Trump released...and could have. You can be sure Trump is the worst. I don't believe it for a minute. Maybe in a 10 way tie.

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We'll see how you feel in 4 years.

Although, by then, after the train wreck du jour, you'll be brainwashed into thinking if only it wasn't for those damned meddling kids he'd have gotten away with it.

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I'm so brainwashed I've never voted for Trump (he says for the 10th time on this site).

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Once again...sure, just Trump is the cheater. Lifetime politicians all over the place and it's just Trump.

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But yo, he's grossly overt and excessive about it, role models for others about it, and shoves it in your face.

He is single-handedly changing our culture and turning us against one another.

He makes it okay to go all the way about it, and that's how you end up with things like the Holocaust.

It's not okay for you to say "everyone does it". Just like it was not okay to say "I was only following orders".

Now, I'm sure you'll simply dismiss my lecture with "such hyperbole". And that's why I say "every generation must learn for itself."

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It's not hyperbole. But let me ask you: are you more afraid of the overt, out in the open cheater who constantly throws it in your face or the type of folks who could kill the president because they think he's a threat and get away with it?

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First, I do not support assassination. Let's be very clear about that, for the record!

Second, at quick blush because I'm working on something else, I'd say they both are equally destabilizing to the nation, to the norms of our governmental system.

Trump is very very dangerous in my mind. Incredibly dangerous. I think he's capable of totally ruining this country.

What I'm fearful of with him is not that he's going to skim billions. No, no.
Far worse than that!

1. He doesn't want to leave office.
2. I think he could wreck the US dollar via:
a) crypto dabbling
b) debt management, budget
c) international confidence, positioning
3. He could cause millions of social chaos with his racist roundups, which would
4. Kill the economy, not to mention tariff disasters
5. Give away US secrets, uprooting our military standing.
6. Overhaul global world order, not in a good way.
7. Shudder many agencies that do good work.
8. Wreck Justice department and establish new norms for lawlessness.

… sigh. Moving on..

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BTW, I was referring to the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if the CIA, etc. have any political affiliation. That's why I've grown distrustful of many lifetime politicians (but if you met me you wouldn't think so) and I don't think they would let Trump get away with too much.
Be well, Tom. Certainly, feel free to stop responding to my exasperating retorts. I know I've erased many responses on this site after I've gone way too deep down some rabbit hole. Once I was told my seizures were my brain's response to too much activity I realized this damn phone and the myriad of topics I see in a daily basis on it are not doing me much good. It's interesting though seeing all the different takes people almost like me have.

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Oh, how do I compare Trump with Kennedy's (possible, alleged) CIA killers?

Well, the killers are worse, because they did it. But trump is right after them, because he's about to do it, or has already negatively impacted because of the threat to do it. I mean, MANY things he's already done - they just aren't quite as bad as openly shooting someone down. I think the family separation policy at the border is pretty damned horrendous, for instance. Kids who have lost their parents? Mind blowing. And he, or his spokesman, said it was good to have such a deterrent. Wow, that's really incredibly wrong, just to take one issue. Such a policy to separate loved ones like that is very wrong. He could have stopped it.
And let's not get into rationalizations about why it's okay, or someone else did something else. I don't want to try and soften that ugliness, that would just be frustrating to hear. Let's just say that was not a good thing to do and leave it at that. So many discussions here go back and forth.

By the way, we'll never really know, unless a death bed confession occurs. Would be nice. 1963 is now 61 years ago. A 25 year old murderer would be 86. Shall we expect to hear from anyone? I don't think so.

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Lots of documents that neither Biden nor Trump released...and could have. You can be sure Trump is the worst. I don't believe it for a minute. Maybe in a 10 way tie.

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We'll see how you feel in 4 years.

Although, by then, after the train wreck du jour, you'll be brainwashed into thinking if only it wasn't for those damned meddling kids he'd have gotten away with it.

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I'm so brainwashed I've never voted for Trump (he says for the 10th time on this site).

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You were brainwashed into
-voting for Jill stein,
-your neighbor down the street via write in, or you
-never bothered to vote at all
Because they knew that any vote not for his primary opponent is nearly as good as a vote for him.

They'll either try to convince that he's the best, or that she's the worst. To be fair, that's a winner for any politician. But in this case, he IS the worst, and she is not.

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I thought she was forced to look empty and stupid as a VP. When she got her chance it turned out she wasn't being forced at all.

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I have to say, you made me lol.

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I thought she was forced to look empty and stupid as a VP. When she got her chance it turned out she wasn't being forced at all.

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I have to say, you made me lol.

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Well you are a very rare person. Most of my friends who are deeply on one side or the other do not find my little jokes funny. Or maybe you were laughing at me not with me.

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With.

Trump: 76,883,434

Harris: 74,406,434

49.96%
48.35%

Again, some mandate.

This explains everything. pic.twitter.com/XD4vyFYSOw

— EssenViews (@essenviews) November 27, 2024

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Again, some mandate.

This explains everything. pic.twitter.com/XD4vyFYSOw

— EssenViews (@essenviews) November 27, 2024

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What<s relevant about this graphic representation and the outcome of these elections is that some of the people in the yellow stack moved over to the red stack.

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Again, some mandate.

This explains everything. pic.twitter.com/XD4vyFYSOw

— EssenViews (@essenviews) November 27, 2024

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Meh, this is basically true for every Presidential election. We don't get great turnout in this country.