How High is a trick question, sorry, since slow motion rising sea levels are literally out of control, and nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

reliable long term forecast reads "curse god and die hard"

(freebie?) link..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/us-south-sea-level-rise-climate-change

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Since 2010, the sea level at the Fort Pulaski gauge has risen by more than 7 inches, one of the fastest rates in the country, according to a Washington Post analysis of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data for 127 tide gauges.

Similar spikes are affecting the entire U.S. Southeast showing a glimpse of our climate future.. .. ..

Overall, sea levels here rose 7.3 inches between 2010 and 2023; in the previous 30 years, the ocean rose about 3.7 inches.

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> Hey, it's all the natural cycles of nature. Besides, what's 7 inches when our rights of unlimited driving and electrical power might get limited?

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riight, though the many dozen foot follow-on, some years later, may be more inconvenient to locals.

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> Hey, it's all the natural cycles of nature. Besides, what's 7 inches when our rights of unlimited driving and electrical power might get limited?

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riight, though the many dozen foot follow-on, some years later, may be more inconvenient to locals.

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When I arrived at my current workplace, I had been hired to replace a man who had died unexpected at a fairly young age. The office planted a memorial tree in his name on the office grounds. Unfortunately, they didn't provide any support for it while it was a young and growing tree. Today it looks like the one in your picture (our office is in an exposed and windy location) and is about 1/3 the size of trees of the same variety elsewhere around the office. It's really rather sad.

smh said:

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How High is a trick question…

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-George Thorogood

What kind of MPG do you get?

Around 35MPG.

Cal88 said:

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smh said:

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How High is a trick question, sorry, since slow motion rising sea levels are literally out of control, and nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

reliable long term forecast reads "curse god and die hard"

(freebie?) link..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/us-south-sea-level-rise-climate-change

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Since 2010, the sea level at the Fort Pulaski gauge has risen by more than 7 inches, one of the fastest rates in the country, according to a Washington Post analysis of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data for 127 tide gauges.

Similar spikes are affecting the entire U.S. Southeast showing a glimpse of our climate future.. .. ..

Overall, sea levels here rose 7.3 inches between 2010 and 2023; in the previous 30 years, the ocean rose about 3.7 inches.

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This is a good example of the manipulative nature of MSM global warming reporting.

I looked up the data this whole article is based on, the tidal gauge measurements of a station located in a Georgia shore, Fort Pulaski, here it is:



https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8670870

The graph shows that the increase in sea level rise rate from 2010-2024 is well within the historical range of variation. For instance 1988-96 was an even larger rise.

The graph also shows that sea level at that site actually declined between 1996 and 2010, and of course CO2 rise has noting to do with that, it is mainly due to statistical noise that comes with the territory of trying to record tidal gauges in millimeters in areas where the daily tidal differential is around 4 feet (1,300mm roughly).

Tidal gages that are older than the one featured in the WP indicate even more clearly that the current rise is well within historical norms of constant, linear increase in sea levels:



You can go even older using tidal gauges that have recorded measurements that are over 200 years old and see further evidence of the linear and unchanging nature of the rise in sea level, here they are:


NYC


Brest, France (oldest tidal gauge measurements)

Those measurements, once again, confirm that the rate of rise in sea levels is:

1- nearly constant, unchanging since the early 1800s.

2- very low, about an inch per decade.

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" The annual rate of rise or how quickly sea level rise is happening has also increased from 0.08 inches/year (0.20 centimeters/year) in 1993 to the current yearly rate of 0.17 inches/year (0.44 centimeters/year)."


Link:
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/key-indicators/global-mean-sea-level/

ho-hum / details at 11..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/30/world-endures-decade-of-deadly-heat-as-2024-caps-hottest-years-on-record-un-antonio-guterres

Couldn't find the main global waring thread, so this will do.

WaPo article about study of historical data showing that the current period is relatively cool :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/09/19/earth-temperature-global-warming-planet/

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The timeline, published Thursday in the journal Science, is the most rigorous reconstruction of Earth's past temperatures ever produced, the authors say. It shows the intimate link between carbon dioxide and global temperatures and reveals that the world was in a much warmer state for most of the history of complex animal life.

At its hottest, the study suggests, the Earth's average temperature reached 96.8F (36C) far higher than the historic 58.96F (14.98C) the planet hit last year.

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Non-paywall version here:
https://www.worldenergydata.org/scientists-have-captured-earths-climate-over-the-last-485-million-years-heres-the-surprising-place-we-stand-now/

Cal88 said:

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smh said:

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How High is a trick question, sorry, since slow motion rising sea levels are literally out of control, and nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

reliable long term forecast reads "curse god and die hard"

(freebie?) link..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/us-south-sea-level-rise-climate-change

Quote:

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Since 2010, the sea level at the Fort Pulaski gauge has risen by more than 7 inches, one of the fastest rates in the country, according to a Washington Post analysis of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data for 127 tide gauges.

Similar spikes are affecting the entire U.S. Southeast showing a glimpse of our climate future.. .. ..

Overall, sea levels here rose 7.3 inches between 2010 and 2023; in the previous 30 years, the ocean rose about 3.7 inches.

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This is a good example of the manipulative nature of MSM global warming reporting.

I looked up the data this whole article is based on, the tidal gauge measurements of a station located in a Georgia shore, Fort Pulaski, here it is:



https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8670870

The graph shows that the increase in sea level rise rate from 2010-2024 is well within the historical range of variation. For instance 1988-96 was an even larger rise.

The graph also shows that sea level at that site actually declined between 1996 and 2010, and of course CO2 rise has noting to do with that, it is mainly due to statistical noise that comes with the territory of trying to record tidal gauges in millimeters in areas where the daily tidal differential is around 4 feet (1,300mm roughly).

Tidal gages that are older than the one featured in the WP indicate even more clearly that the current rise is well within historical norms of constant, linear increase in sea levels:



You can go even older using tidal gauges that have recorded measurements that are over 200 years old and see further evidence of the linear and unchanging nature of the rise in sea level, here they are:


NYC


Brest, France (oldest tidal gauge measurements)

Those measurements, once again, confirm that the rate of rise in sea levels is:

1- nearly constant, unchanging since the early 1800s.

2- very low, about an inch per decade.

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ChatGPT responds:


Let's break this down with clarity and evidence, because the argument that global warming isn't man-made or problematic doesn't hold up to scrutinyscientific, historical, or observational.

The Scientific Consensus Is Overwhelming

Over 99% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real and primarily caused by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels A B.
Organizations like NASA, NOAA, the IPCC, and virtually every national science academy affirm that the rapid rise in greenhouse gasesespecially COis driving the warming trend A C.


Sea Level Rise Is Accelerating, Not Linear

The claim that sea level rise is "linear and constant" is outdated. Recent data shows acceleration, especially in the U.S. Southeast: Fort Pulaski saw 7.3 inches of rise from 20102023, nearly double the rate of the previous 30 years A.
This isn't statistical noiseit's consistent with satellite altimetry and global tide gauge networks showing global acceleration in sea level rise.



Misinterpreting Tide Gauge Data

Tide gauges are subject to local vertical land motion, storm surge anomalies, and regional ocean dynamics. That's why scientists use global averages and satellite data to track sea level trends.
Cherry-picking short-term declines (like 19962010 at Fort Pulaski) ignores the broader trend. Climate science is about long-term patterns, not temporary dips.


CO and Temperature: A Tight Link

CO levels have risen from ~280 ppm pre-industrial to over 420 ppm today.
Global temperatures have followed suit, with the 10 hottest years on record all occurring since 2010 A.
Paleoclimate data shows today's warming is 10x faster than natural post-ice-age warming C.


Observable Climate Impacts

Shrinking glaciers, melting ice sheets, rising oceans, acidifying seas, and extreme weather events are all measurable and accelerating.
These aren't media inventionsthey're documented by thousands of peer-reviewed studies and real-world observations.


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If someone wants to argue against the reality or urgency of climate change, they need to contend with:

The entire scientific establishment
Global observational data
Basic physics of greenhouse gases


And if they're still unconvinced, ask them this: If the science is wrong, why are insurance companies, militaries, and coastal cities all preparing for the consequences?

Want help crafting a reply that's sharp but respectful? I've got your back.

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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smh said:

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How High is a trick question, sorry, since slow motion rising sea levels are literally out of control, and nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

reliable long term forecast reads "curse god and die hard"

(freebie?) link..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/us-south-sea-level-rise-climate-change

Quote:

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Since 2010, the sea level at the Fort Pulaski gauge has risen by more than 7 inches, one of the fastest rates in the country, according to a Washington Post analysis of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data for 127 tide gauges.

Similar spikes are affecting the entire U.S. Southeast showing a glimpse of our climate future.. .. ..

Overall, sea levels here rose 7.3 inches between 2010 and 2023; in the previous 30 years, the ocean rose about 3.7 inches.

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This is a good example of the manipulative nature of MSM global warming reporting.

I looked up the data this whole article is based on, the tidal gauge measurements of a station located in a Georgia shore, Fort Pulaski, here it is:



https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8670870

The graph shows that the increase in sea level rise rate from 2010-2024 is well within the historical range of variation. For instance 1988-96 was an even larger rise.

The graph also shows that sea level at that site actually declined between 1996 and 2010, and of course CO2 rise has noting to do with that, it is mainly due to statistical noise that comes with the territory of trying to record tidal gauges in millimeters in areas where the daily tidal differential is around 4 feet (1,300mm roughly).

Tidal gages that are older than the one featured in the WP indicate even more clearly that the current rise is well within historical norms of constant, linear increase in sea levels:



You can go even older using tidal gauges that have recorded measurements that are over 200 years old and see further evidence of the linear and unchanging nature of the rise in sea level, here they are:


NYC


Brest, France (oldest tidal gauge measurements)

Those measurements, once again, confirm that the rate of rise in sea levels is:

1- nearly constant, unchanging since the early 1800s.

2- very low, about an inch per decade.

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ChatGPT responds:


Let's break this down with clarity and evidence, because the argument that global warming isn't man-made or problematic doesn't hold up to scrutinyscientific, historical, or observational.

The Scientific Consensus Is Overwhelming

Over 99% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real and primarily caused by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels A B.
Organizations like NASA, NOAA, the IPCC, and virtually every national science academy affirm that the rapid rise in greenhouse gasesespecially COis driving the warming trend A C.


Sea Level Rise Is Accelerating, Not Linear

The claim that sea level rise is "linear and constant" is outdated. Recent data shows acceleration, especially in the U.S. Southeast: Fort Pulaski saw 7.3 inches of rise from 20102023, nearly double the rate of the previous 30 years A.
This isn't statistical noiseit's consistent with satellite altimetry and global tide gauge networks showing global acceleration in sea level rise.



Misinterpreting Tide Gauge Data

Tide gauges are subject to local vertical land motion, storm surge anomalies, and regional ocean dynamics. That's why scientists use global averages and satellite data to track sea level trends.
Cherry-picking short-term declines (like 19962010 at Fort Pulaski) ignores the broader trend. Climate science is about long-term patterns, not temporary dips.


CO and Temperature: A Tight Link

CO levels have risen from ~280 ppm pre-industrial to over 420 ppm today.
Global temperatures have followed suit, with the 10 hottest years on record all occurring since 2010 A.
Paleoclimate data shows today's warming is 10x faster than natural post-ice-age warming C.


Observable Climate Impacts

Shrinking glaciers, melting ice sheets, rising oceans, acidifying seas, and extreme weather events are all measurable and accelerating.
These aren't media inventionsthey're documented by thousands of peer-reviewed studies and real-world observations.


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If someone wants to argue against the reality or urgency of climate change, they need to contend with:

The entire scientific establishment
Global observational data
Basic physics of greenhouse gases


And if they're still unconvinced, ask them this: If the science is wrong, why are insurance companies, militaries, and coastal cities all preparing for the consequences?

Want help crafting a reply that's sharp but respectful? I've got your back.

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A lot of points to refute there, will get back to it later this week.

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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smh said:

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How High is a trick question, sorry, since slow motion rising sea levels are literally out of control, and nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

reliable long term forecast reads "curse god and die hard"

(freebie?) link..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/us-south-sea-level-rise-climate-change

Quote:

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Since 2010, the sea level at the Fort Pulaski gauge has risen by more than 7 inches, one of the fastest rates in the country, according to a Washington Post analysis of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data for 127 tide gauges.

Similar spikes are affecting the entire U.S. Southeast showing a glimpse of our climate future.. .. ..

Overall, sea levels here rose 7.3 inches between 2010 and 2023; in the previous 30 years, the ocean rose about 3.7 inches.

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This is a good example of the manipulative nature of MSM global warming reporting.

I looked up the data this whole article is based on, the tidal gauge measurements of a station located in a Georgia shore, Fort Pulaski, here it is:



https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8670870

The graph shows that the increase in sea level rise rate from 2010-2024 is well within the historical range of variation. For instance 1988-96 was an even larger rise.

The graph also shows that sea level at that site actually declined between 1996 and 2010, and of course CO2 rise has noting to do with that, it is mainly due to statistical noise that comes with the territory of trying to record tidal gauges in millimeters in areas where the daily tidal differential is around 4 feet (1,300mm roughly).

Tidal gages that are older than the one featured in the WP indicate even more clearly that the current rise is well within historical norms of constant, linear increase in sea levels:



You can go even older using tidal gauges that have recorded measurements that are over 200 years old and see further evidence of the linear and unchanging nature of the rise in sea level, here they are:


NYC


Brest, France (oldest tidal gauge measurements)

Those measurements, once again, confirm that the rate of rise in sea levels is:

1- nearly constant, unchanging since the early 1800s.

2- very low, about an inch per decade.

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ChatGPT responds:


Let's break this down with clarity and evidence, because the argument that global warming isn't man-made or problematic doesn't hold up to scrutinyscientific, historical, or observational.

The Scientific Consensus Is Overwhelming

Over 99% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real and primarily caused by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels A B.
Organizations like NASA, NOAA, the IPCC, and virtually every national science academy affirm that the rapid rise in greenhouse gasesespecially COis driving the warming trend A C.

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Not true. Many leading climate scientists, like Judith Curry, who was the head of earth sciences at Georgia Tech disagree with the "consensus". She was eventually purged from academia. It is difficult to get tenure or be published if your findings run counter the official narrative.

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Sea Level Rise Is Accelerating, Not Linear

The claim that sea level rise is "linear and constant" is outdated. Recent data shows acceleration, especially in the U.S. Southeast: Fort Pulaski saw 7.3 inches of rise from 20102023, nearly double the rate of the previous 30 years A.
This isn't statistical noisei t's consistent with satellite altimetry and global tide gauge networks showing global acceleration in sea level rise.

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This is really, really, really dumb. If they are claiming that the rate of sea rise in a dozen years at one spot is double that from the previous decades, and that rise isn't due to local land movement, then that doubling should have been observed EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD, on every tidal gauge out there.

This is such an indictment of AI, garbage in, garbage out.

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Misinterpreting Tide Gauge Data

Tide gauges are subject to local vertical land motion, storm surge anomalies, and regional ocean dynamics. That's why scientists use global averages and satellite data to track sea level trends.
Cherry-picking short-term declines (like 19962010 at Fort Pulaski) ignores the broader trend. Climate science is about long-term patterns, not temporary dips.

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Satellite data only started in the 70s, whereas tidal gauges have been measured since the early 19th century, with a method that is a bit noisy (as are satellite measurements) but very consistent over time, yielding remarkably linear trends in the long term, over entire centuries. AI is straight up lying here, when it is advocating for longer terrm observations while simultaneously knocking tidal gauge observations that are 250 years old.

Also, you can't cherry pick tidal gauges, because outliers are clearly visible, over 90% of the graphs are linear.

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CO and Temperature: A Tight Link

CO levels have risen from ~280 ppm pre-industrial to over 420 ppm today.
Global temperatures have followed suit, with the 10 hottest years on record all occurring since 2010 A.
Paleoclimate data shows today's warming is 10x faster than natural post-ice-age warming

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First of all, 280ppm is VERY, VERY LOW by historical standards, the lowest CO2 concentrations in the last hundred million years of planet Earth. if CO2 concentrations were to drop from that level to 220-230ppm, there would be A MASSIVE GLOBAL FAMINE. If CO2 drops further to below 200ppm, humanity would be threatened (for real this time!)



AI Overview

Photosynthesis requires a minimum CO2 concentration around 150-220 ppm, but reliable photosynthesis and growth are generally restricted below 200 ppm. While ambient levels of about 400 ppm support typical plant growth, increasing CO2 to 800-1,200 ppm significantly boosts photosynthesis and growth in controlled environments.

Minimum CO2 Levels

• Around 150-180 ppm:
  At this level, photosynthesis is severely limited, and plants struggle to grow and reproduce, with some species facing total reproductive failure.
• Around 220 ppm:
  This is considered a more reliable minimum level for photosynthesis to occur consistently.

Ambient vs. Optimal CO2 Levels

• Ambient (Outdoor):
  The current atmospheric CO2 level is around 400-415 ppm, which is sufficient for normal plant growth but not optimal.
  
• Optimal (Controlled Environments):
  For maximum growth and productivity, CO2 enrichment is used in greenhouses and indoor farms. Levels between 800 and 1,200 ppm have been shown to increase the rate of photosynthesis, leading to increased biomass, improved health, and higher yields.

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the 10 hottest years on record all occurring since 2010

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Climate was warmer during the medieval and Roman warm period. We know this because of records and facts like grapes growing in northern England. In the Alps and in northern latitudes, glaciers and ice receding showed signs of warmer conditions in the past, for example caves and mines located below melting glaciers in the Alps.

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And if they're still unconvinced, ask them this: If the science is wrong, why are insurance companies, militaries, and coastal cities all preparing for the consequences?

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Coastal cities are preparing because they have a climate change budget, just like academia has been churning out all kinds of research that gets funded if it is related to global warming.

Insurance companies are still insuring homes in Florida. There is no evidence of increased hurricane intensity or frequency over the last century.

If you are pro CO2, then would you support spraying reflective stuff in the stratosphere to lower temps?

Or do you not care about that?

concordtom said:

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If you are pro CO2, then would you support spraying reflective stuff in the stratosphere to lower temps?

Or do you not care about that?

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Geoengineering with chemtrails is not necessary and potentially polluting.

If you're really worried about CO2 levels, market forces and technology advances are going to reduce CO2 emissions all by themselves. Market forces and new battery tech are rendering combustion engines obsolete. Molten salt nuclear reactors will supplant coal and gas powerplants in the next few decades, with also dirt cheap solar panels and batteries, and advances in power storage and distribution. We're looking at oil demand peaking later this decade then starting to decrease in the 30s.

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AI Overview

Global oil demand is forecast to peak around the end of this decade, with the International Energy Agency (IEA) predicting a peak of approximately 105.6 million barrels per day (bpd) by 2029, while BP expects a peak near 2030 before a decline. This shift is primarily driven by the rapid adoption of electric vehicles (EVs) and growing demand for renewable energy, especially in China.

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I'm aware of all that.
But we must transition faster. Like, 4 decades ago.
We cannot dilly dally on this.