smh said:

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thanks to management for deleting my unhelpful rant in this thread, several days ago, unhinged by general indifference to global warming's consequences. today's guardian article speaks to the issue fwiw (nada)..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/11/los-angeles-fire-fossil-fuel-big-oil

> Every barrel of oil, every cubic meter of gas, and every ton of coal burned brings us closer to environmental catastrophe. The wildfires raging across Los Angeles are not just natural disasters they are the direct result of human choices.. ..

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Queue "88" to post his charts that any warming is within the natural up-trend which has existed for longer than man's contribution.

This politician may be movie's and 2034's idol.

Imagine if a Democrat said this while hurricanes are battering Florida....

GOP lawmaker says disaster relief should be withheld from California until state implement Republican policies. https://t.co/170twTrw0V

— Covie (@covie_93) January 11, 2025

After the NorCal fires of 2018, Michael Wara at the Climate and Energy Policy Program at Stanford was asked by the state senate to develop financial models for a Wildfire Fund for catastrophic fires in three areas of the state ... Moraga-Orinda,os Altos Hills, and Pacific Pallisades

The estimated losses for a megafire burning every single home down in the Palisades were somewhere around $30 Billion, without factoring post-pandemic inflation rates and inflated reconstruction costs.

And here we are.

Given that the previous fires of 2017 and 2018 were no fluke, the current approach to homeowner's insurance is no longer sustainable.

This fire (and the others before it) will forever impact home ownership in California.

A Republican in Ohio is claiming that Forestry Management has led to this devastating fire in the Palisades. Shocker!

He must have never been to LA.
Just like movielover.

DiabloWags said:

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A Republican in Ohio is claiming that Forestry Management has led to this devastating fire in the Palisades. Shocker!

He must have never been to LA.
Just like movielover.

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The fire started in the FORESTED hills behind Palisades Highlands. You must have never been to L.A.

Shocker!

Have we tried calling the fire racist?

— Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) January 9, 2025

DiabloWags said:

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Lived in Manhatran Beach on The Strand in 1993.

The region was free of stormy weather this week, so lightning was not a possibility.

The area near the Temescal Ridge Trail in the Palisades also appears to be free of power lines or transformers, which rules out another potential cause.

Try again son.

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Here is a good article on forest management, son.

https://www.context.news/climate-risks/la-wildfires-how-can-forest-management-mitigate-the-impact

I have never heard of Manhatran Beach.

concordtom said:

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smh said:

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thanks to management for deleting my unhelpful rant in this thread, several days ago, unhinged by general indifference to global warming's consequences. today's guardian article speaks to the issue fwiw (nada)..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/11/los-angeles-fire-fossil-fuel-big-oil

> Every barrel of oil, every cubic meter of gas, and every ton of coal burned brings us closer to environmental catastrophe. The wildfires raging across Los Angeles are not just natural disasters they are the direct result of human choices.. ..

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Queue "88" to post his charts that any warming is within the natural up-trend which has existed for longer than man's contribution.

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By popular request:



Basic element of ecology here: fire is an integral part of the ecological life cycle in mediterranean climates. Trees like the stone pine or eucalyptus are designed to burn every decade or two. Mediterranean pine trees that are over a century old, as found on the Cal campus (pictured below, near Tolman) hardly ever exist in a natural setting.



Southern California and the LA Basin is barely mediterranean, it's closer to semi-arid. LA is an area with lush vegetation in a semi-arid landscape.

Historically, on an average year about 10% of the area of California burned every year.

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Stating that liberal policies (and incompetence by a complacent liberal dominated California government) exacerbated the fire is a fair opinion. Yes - its political.

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To me the "liberal policies" argument loses steam when it becomes about how the government should have spent more money on X thing. Typically conservatives are against that, and to bring it up now smells of convenience.

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Conservative positions are irrelevant in most of California, particularly in LA, and certainly most big cities.

Do you know many republicans that oppose spending on police and fire? I don't. So this is just a deflection

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bear2034 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Stating that liberal policies (and incompetence by a complacent liberal dominated California government) exacerbated the fire is a fair opinion. Yes - its political.

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To me the "liberal policies" argument loses steam when it becomes about how the government should have spent more money on X thing. Typically conservatives are against that, and to bring it up now smells of convenience.

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There are always tradeoffs. What did the government spend on and what did they cut? It's hard to blame conservatives in a state and city overwhelmingly run by Democrats.

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In this specific case yes. But when natural disasters hit in Republican-run states the same people aren't going on and on about blaming the local politicians. Excuse me if I'm skeptical of your motives.

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When bad things happens, the press/dems (same thing) often default to blaming republicans, whether or not they are local. Bush/Katrina is a great example. Bush was heavily criticized when most of the mismanagement was local.

Any shooting is another example - immediate blaming of republicans or conservative gun policy. FEMA has performed abysmally in North Carolina after the recent hurricane/floods - including a proven scandal for refusing to offer benefits to Trump supporters. Biden/Harris got a complete pass. They also got a pass after the poor response to the East Palestine train derailment.

The only time government officials aren't blamed is when they're democrats. In this case, it being California/LA, there is no republican to blame, so there is a lot of misdirection.

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sycasey said:

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bear2034 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Stating that liberal policies (and incompetence by a complacent liberal dominated California government) exacerbated the fire is a fair opinion. Yes - its political.

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To me the "liberal policies" argument loses steam when it becomes about how the government should have spent more money on X thing. Typically conservatives are against that, and to bring it up now smells of convenience.

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There are always tradeoffs. What did the government spend on and what did they cut? It's hard to blame conservatives in a state and city overwhelmingly run by Democrats.

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In this specific case yes. But when natural disasters hit in Republican-run states the same people aren't going on and on about blaming the local politicians. Excuse me if I'm skeptical of your motives.

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When bad things happens, the press/dems (same thing) often default to blaming republicans, whether or not they are local. Bush/Katrina is a great example. Bush was heavily criticized when most of the mismanagement was local.

Any shooting is another example - immediate blaming of republicans or conservative gun policy. FEMA has performed abysmally in North Carolina after the recent hurricane/floods - including a proven scandal for refusing to offer benefits to Trump supporters. Biden/Harris got a complete pass. They also got a pass after the poor response to the East Palestine train derailment.

The only time government officials aren't blamed is when they're democrats. In this case, it being California/LA, there is no republican to blame, so there is a lot of misdirection.

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Of course, the Democrats are to blame, both for the policies and the execution. They own it all.
The scale of this disaster is unprecedented and everyone will be paying a very heavy price for it.
It blows my mind that apologists for these incompetent political hacks are more interested in protecting the image of their party than admitting the obvious and getting on the right side of this issue which is simple: California needs to end one party rule and sweep out all the useless politicians who can't ensure the provision of the most basic of services and that starts with the Loser in Chief, Newsom. Everyone should be outraged by what has been allowed to happen in the richest state in the country.

Not political? Tell that to the people in NC who have been left to twist in the wind by virtue of the fact that they are of the wrong political persuasion. If Trump played the same game, he would offer Californians the same $750 Biden offered. He'd force people off their own property. He'd prevent private crews from bringing in temporary housing and supplies.

NEW – Mel Gibson's Malibu Mansion Burned Down While He Was Filming Joe Rogan's Podcast

"I was doing the Rogan podcast and I was kind of ill at ease while we were talking because I knew my neighborhood was on fire. So I thought, I wonder if my place is still there. When I got… pic.twitter.com/TvknivxywB

— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) January 10, 2025

chazzed said:

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This politician may be movie's and 2034's idol.

Imagine if a Democrat said this while hurricanes are battering Florida....

GOP lawmaker says disaster relief should be withheld from California until state implement Republican policies. https://t.co/170twTrw0V

— Covie (@covie_93) January 11, 2025

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I mean, how much relief did Maui, North Carolina, and Ohio get? We were told FEMA is flat out broke and has no money and Biden now says the cost of the fires are going to be covered for the next 180 days 100%. That's pretty effed up to those other places that are STILL dealing with their disasters.

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DiabloWags said:

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Lived in Manhatran Beach on The Strand in 1993.

The region was free of stormy weather this week, so lightning was not a possibility.

The area near the Temescal Ridge Trail in the Palisades also appears to be free of power lines or transformers, which rules out another potential cause.

Try again son.

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Here is a good article on forest management, son.

https://www.context.news/climate-risks/la-wildfires-how-can-forest-management-mitigate-the-impact

I have never heard of Manhatran Beach.

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It's the Indian section of the Palisades.

Lots of pots of money were tapped to fund our invasion.

New York Post: Feds say there's no money left to respond to hurricanes after FEMA spent $1.4B on migrants

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/feds-say-theres-no-money-left-to-respond-to-hurricanes-after-fema-used-640-9m-this-year-on-migrants/

$800 Million was transferred from CBO to FEMA for illegal immigrants.

"Included in that bill is the transfer of $800 million from CBP to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), $785 million of which will go "to support sheltering and related activities provided by non-Federal entities, including facility improvements and construction, in support of relieving overcrowding in short-term holding facilities"."

https://cis.org/Arthur/Massive-Spending-Bill-Includes-785-Million-Feed-House-and-Transport-Migrants

Dear California Democrats,

HOW ARE YOU NOT RED-PILLED BY NOW?

— George (@BehizyTweets) January 12, 2025

DiabloWags said:

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Fossil Fuels = Record Heat = Increased Natural Disasters

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This is WILD. Less than two months ago there was a fire RIGHT NEXT TO the empty reservoir in the Pacific Palisades. Talk about a warning.

The fire was held to 1-2 acres because luckily there was almost no wind that day. Arson was suspected. pic.twitter.com/Y2RJ4wrSTM

— MAZE (@mazemoore) January 11, 2025

Don't forget the arsonists, empty reservoirs, broken hydrants, and lesbians all named Kristin for some reason.

movielover said:

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Poser.

LESBIANS? Mexico has sent its best firefighters to LA, presumably they are lesbians… pic.twitter.com/XqEtWQfk4c

— @amuse (@amuse) January 12, 2025

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Movielover and bear2034 can't help pointing out lesbians and gays. To them, LGBTQ means Let's Go Belittle The Queers.

Article with maps of fire zone.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/los-angeles-wildfires-maps-180658307.html