movielover said:

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Businessman Rick Caruso, who ran for mayor against Bass, deployed large water tankers to his shopping center in Pacific Palisades. It survived.

Instagram clip
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEufFG6O8gO/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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It is possible to save property with proper planning and action. Many posters here would have us believe that the government was powerless and nothing could have been done to prevent the catastrophic results of their poor preparation and lack of action.

There are three fundamental issues at play here:

1. Getting water to any fire
2. Fuel load reduction
3. Incompetent management

LA County knew this was an extreme weather event, and Karen Bass: left for Africa; while a top deputy was out on suspicion of phoning in bomb threats; and left her rookie water manager in charge.

Los Angeles deputy mayor allegedly made bomb threat to City Hall

https://www.kget.com/news/california-news/los-angeles-deputy-mayor-allegedly-made-bomb-threat-to-city-hall-2/

FIRE: With fires still raging and tens of thousands without homes, Governor Newsom called a special session to fund $50 million to fight the incoming Trump admin. Newsom cut the state's fire prevention budget by $100 million prior to the wildfires.

h/t @ScottJenningsKY pic.twitter.com/hTXViO8qPv

— @amuse (@amuse) January 13, 2025

NEWSOM RESIGN: On Saturday Elon Musk donated CyberTrucks to Altadena Mountain Rescue to power its command center. On Sunday he positioned CyberTrucks with Starlink free WiFi in a grid in LA/Malibu. While Elon was meeting with the Fire Command Team Gavin Newsom got on X and… pic.twitter.com/WBiCaJpdlk

— @amuse (@amuse) January 13, 2025

"In a video posted by Gavin Newsom on X, Musk talks with a fire command team member about the devastating Palisades Fire, asking if the coastal neighborhood actually ran out of water.

"In the Palisades, there was a shortage of water at a certain point, or is that not accurate?" Musk asked.

"There was water, we have water reservoirs," the firefighter replied, but stressed that too many fires burning at once resulted in low water pressure, with some firefighters unable to battle blazes

"Just an example, if we have one building burning, we can flow 1,000 gallons (3,785 liters) a minute on that one building," he said. Emphasizing that no water system can sustain that pace, he added: "We were flowing an amount of water that the system could not … it was overbearing, just because of how much water firefighters were utilizing."

Big trucks with water tanks brought in by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power to help the firefighters served as mobile fire hydrants, he added.

After the exchange with the firefighter, and apparently unable to lay the blame where he wanted to, Musk stopped the recording."

Elon Musk exposed for his own 'lies' about Los Angeles fires, claims California governor


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/elon-musk-exposed-for-his-own-lies-about-los-angeles-fires-claims-california-governor/3449113

bearister said:

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"In a video posted by Gavin Newsom on X, Musk talks with a fire command team member about the devastating Palisades Fire, asking if the coastal neighborhood actually ran out of water.

"In the Palisades, there was a shortage of water at a certain point, or is that not accurate?" Musk asked.

"There was water, we have water reservoirs," the firefighter replied, but stressed that too many fires burning at once resulted in low water pressure, with some firefighters unable to battle blazes

"Just an example, if we have one building burning, we can flow 1,000 gallons (3,785 liters) a minute on that one building," he said. Emphasizing that no water system can sustain that pace, he added: "We were flowing an amount of water that the system could not … it was overbearing, just because of how much water firefighters were utilizing."

Big trucks with water tanks brought in by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power to help the firefighters served as mobile fire hydrants, he added.

After the exchange with the firefighter, and apparently unable to lay the blame where he wanted to, Musk stopped the recording."

Elon Musk exposed for his own 'lies' about Los Angeles fires, claims California governor


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/elon-musk-exposed-for-his-own-lies-about-los-angeles-fires-claims-california-governor/3449113

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That firefighter apparently did not mention that the main reservoir for the Palisades region had been sitting empty for a year. Capacity 117 million gallons right on top of that fire, empty and offline!

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State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

A large reservoir in Pacific Palisades that is part of the Los Angeles water supply system was out of commission when a ferocious wildfire destroyed thousands of homes and other structures nearby, the Los Angeles Times found.

Officials said that the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been closed since about February for repairs to its cover, leaving a 117-million-gallon water storage complex empty in the heart of the Palisades for nearly a year.

The revelation comes amid growing questions about why firefighters ran out of water while battling the blaze, which ignited Tuesday during catastrophically high winds. The Times reported early Wednesday that numerous fire hydrants in higher-elevation streets of the Palisades went dry, leaving crews struggling with low water pressure as they combated the flames

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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

NEW: Gavin Newsom accuses Trump of spreading "mis- and disinformation" about empty reservoirs during the Los Angeles wildfires.

Reporter: "Well, that one reservoir that serves the Palisades was not full."

Newsom: "That's exactly what we're going to investigate."

Incredible. pic.twitter.com/Vx8tFsa8jT

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) January 12, 2025

What would be the demand BEFORE the fires took off? In the fires beginning stages when a response was more manageable, less water would be needed and could reduce or halt its spread. Early action is key. The fire probably grows exponentially.

A LEO I know suggests more assets should have been moved to the area more quickly and proactively.

Then again, the Mayor was in Africa and her Deputy is allegedly suspended over alleged bomb threats. FBI investigating. And the LADWP is a rookie water manager.

How many days would it take to fill the hilltop reservoir? With dry conditions and strong winds coming, it should have been filled expeditiously.

I have no dog in this fight so if the scope of this tragedy could have significantly been reduced but for the reservoir situation, then let heads roll.

I suppose my only real interest is to confirm the fact that guys like Trump and Musk are not interested in any facts that run counter to the narrative they are married to for the maximum political weaponization of this horrible situation.

This article raises interesting issues regarding the empty reservoir and causation:

Newsom orders probe into why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline during fires - Los Angeles Times


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

*I assume water delivery is a major issue regardless of the status of that reservoir. A Fire Chief in the 60 Minutes segment last night said they would have needed 28,000 fire trucks to fight the massive blaze and there aren't that many in California. Add to that the fact the winds kept the water/fire suppression dumping planes and Chinooks out of service at the most critical time.

We live in a postmodernism society. The only "truth" that matters is "my truth." Objective/Metaphysical truth is wholly irrelevant……but it can still snag a lying mother f@ucker in the courtroom now and again…..which is why politically appointed tribunals to replace the jury system can't come fast enough for Trump….or simply skip even faux Due Process and have the military execute people in the street.


"Elizabeth Lynne Cheney is guilty of treason. Retruth if you want televised military tribunals."
-Donald Trump

DiabloWags said:

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bearister said:

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"In a video posted by Gavin Newsom on X, Musk talks with a fire command team member about the devastating Palisades Fire, asking if the coastal neighborhood actually ran out of water.

"In the Palisades, there was a shortage of water at a certain point, or is that not accurate?" Musk asked.

"There was water, we have water reservoirs," the firefighter replied, but stressed that too many fires burning at once resulted in low water pressure, with some firefighters unable to battle blazes

"Just an example, if we have one building burning, we can flow 1,000 gallons (3,785 liters) a minute on that one building," he said. Emphasizing that no water system can sustain that pace, he added: "We were flowing an amount of water that the system could not … it was overbearing, just because of how much water firefighters were utilizing."

Big trucks with water tanks brought in by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power to help the firefighters served as mobile fire hydrants, he added.

After the exchange with the firefighter, and apparently unable to lay the blame where he wanted to, Musk stopped the recording."

Elon Musk exposed for his own 'lies' about Los Angeles fires, claims California governor

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From what I heard from a former LA Water and Power District official, the Palisades water system had capacity of 3 million gallons.

3 tanks at 1 million gallons each. They were full and became depleted by 3AM on January 8th according to LADP and Power CEO and Chief Engineer Janisse Quinones at a press conference.

3 million gallons gets depleted pretty fast when you are battling so many infernos and homes.
Quinones said that the demand was 4X greater than "we've ever seen in the system"


Thus, these narratives from the Orange Buffoon and his buddies are pretty stupid.

There is no such "water restoration declaration" as Trump has claimed and it doesn't matter what's going on in the SF Bay / Delta, Colorado, or Eastern Sierra water systems.

It all comes down to do you have adequate local storage?

Think your block is "safe" because of a fire hydrant on it?
Think again.

That hydrant is probably only good for fighting a fire on one home for 4 hours at 1200 gpm.
Buildings 10 feet or less from each other require at least 1500 gpm for a minimum of 2 hours of firefighting.


What to Know About the Hydrants That Ran Dry Amid the Fires in LA | TIME

Trump's Erroneous Claims about the Los Angeles Fire Response, Debunked | Scientific American

PolitiFact | Fact-check: Los Angeles fires fuel falsehoods, including by Trump about water management

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The capacity of that reservoir above Palisades alone is 117 million gallons, so your figure of 3 million gallons is way off.

Had that reservoir been online, they would have had all the water they needed, as well as water pressure in the hydrants on the hills.

Well, at least this is a valid question. I hope all three don't share the same feeder line, but there still would be water incoming.

If outflow is faster than inflow, that is another management failure, and why didn't they modify that situation for the always-eminent 20- or 40-year conflagration? Same for the feeder line into that primary reservoir.

Why wasn't the reservoir system designed to also provide wildfire assistance? Desert environment, more than ten million inhabitants, and Santa Ana winds normal. Were residents supposed to fight fires with purses and Gladstones menus?

There are dozens of ways to reduce the fire load (fuel) instead of just crossing our fingers and jetting off to Africa or France.

National Guard

We have 24,000 National Guard in California alone, yet only 1,800 have been called up.

The Navy has ten helicopters on standby.

500 Marines are preparing to help.

Niro is playing his fiddle.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2025-01-13/california-fires-military-national-guard-16469825.html

DNYUZ: Before Taking Office, L.A.'s Mayor Said She Would Not Go Abroad

Bass was a frequent international traveler while in Congress, something she loved, especially going to Africa.

"She ultimately decided that she did, telling The Times that if she was elected mayor, "not only would I of course live here, but I also would not travel internationally the only places I would go would be D.C., Sacramento, San Francisco and New York, in relation to L.A."

"That pledge has been spectacularly broken...."

"A review of her public daily schedule for the past year shows that Ms. Bass has traveled out of the country at city expense at least four other times in recent months before the Ghana visit once to Mexico for the inauguration of President Claudia Sheinbaum and three times to France for the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris."

https://dnyuz.com/2025/01/12/before-taking-office-l-a-s-mayor-said-she-would-not-go-abroad/

Los Angeles Largest Wildfires

Pacific Palisades- 2025 - 23,700 - 5,000 struct, 24 deaths
Johnston - 1960 - 23,200 - 4 structures
Canyon - 1968 - 22,200 acres - 0
Marple 1996 - 21,500 - 1 structure
Curve - 2002 - 20,850 - 72 structures
Old Topanga - 1993 - 18,500 - 350 structures, 3 deaths
Liberty - 1958 - 17,860 - 107 structures, 1 death
Pine - 2004 - 17,400 - 15 structures, 1 death
Trippet - 1938 - 16,500 - 350 structures
Creek - 2017 - 15,600 - 123 structures
Woodland Hills - 1943 - 15,300 - 0 structures
Potrero - 1930 - 15,000 - 0 structures
Ploecat - 1960 - 14,737 - 0 structures
Porter Rnh - 2007 - 14,700 - 78 structures, 1 death
Monrovia - 1953 - 14,135 - N/A
Eaton - 2025 - 14,100 - 7,000 structures, 17 deaths

https://www.wildfirela.org/history/

One Week Until No Joe said:

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Big C said:

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The reason these fires are so bad is DEI.

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The reason these fires are so bad is because man presumes he can control nature. Nature is more powerful than man and always will be. Fires are part of nature. Best you can do is have lots more small fires in the hope of reducing the one part of the fuel that you have some small ability to control. Can't control the rain. Can't control the wind. But you can control where you build houses, what materials you build them with, the infrastructure you build to put out the fires that do start, and what you do with the extra water you get from the good rainy seasons.

Democrats had too many unforced errors with the above.

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And the solution- rebuild 5000 square foot houses in the same area occupied by two "environmentally conscious" celebrities who purchase carbon credits to cover their trips to Tahiti

It's interesting that all the ballyhooed " carbon savings" from our state initiatives on power generation have been wiped out in a week.

movielover said:

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DNYUZ: Before Taking Office, L.A.'s Mayor Said She Would Not Go Abroad

Bass was a frequent international traveler while in Congress, something she loved, especially going to Africa.

"She ultimately decided that she did, telling The Times that if she was elected mayor, "not only would I of course live here, but I also would not travel internationally the only places I would go would be D.C., Sacramento, San Francisco and New York, in relation to L.A."

"That pledge has been spectacularly broken...."

"A review of her public daily schedule for the past year shows that Ms. Bass has traveled out of the country at city expense at least four other times in recent months before the Ghana visit once to Mexico for the inauguration of President Claudia Sheinbaum and three times to France for the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris."

https://dnyuz.com/2025/01/12/before-taking-office-l-a-s-mayor-said-she-would-not-go-abroad/

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You seem desperate to blame the LA Mayor, as if her being in LA when the fires broke out would have helped. I'm guessing that, same situation but the LA Mayor was Joe Rogan, you wouldn't be posting the same stuff.

chazzed said:

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If Joe Rogan were the mayor, he would have been away at an anti-vaxxer rally in the octagon led by RFK Jr.

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If if if ...

MinotStateBeav said:

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The insurance companies saw this coming, it should not be a shock to the LA mayor and other leaders. The reason they cancelled fire insurance is because the risk was so high they had to raise premiums, but LA blocked them from doing that, so they cancelled policies. The whole thing is a failure of leadership, there's no other way to deny this. Oh and btw, they are going to have to count on the feds to bail them out. The scale of this eff up is going to be felt by the entire country.

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MSB, were politicians in Texas, Florida, etc. threatened (by members of the opposing political party) while their states' catastrophes were still happening?

It is a despicable stance Republicans are taking, where they won't back aid to blue states like California unless they stop being woke. President Biden and Dems made no such demands of red states.

Playing politics with disaster relief is evil.pic.twitter.com/eY8y5iqPUp

— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) January 13, 2025

REMINDER: There were ZERO conditions placed on aid that went to Florida or North Carolina after Hurricanes Helene and Milton. To suggest there should be for Californians is deplorable.

The new Republican-led Congress is already off to a horrible start.pic.twitter.com/Aj6ugGihNk

— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) January 13, 2025

Why did Biden shaft North Carolina?

Why is the Government paying for 100% of the damage in California ‘for 180 days’ but not in North Carolina?

Americans are pissed!!! 🔥👇🏼 pic.twitter.com/5ugFc4E3Yj

— TONY™ (@TONYxTWO) January 11, 2025

The Texas Freeze was a once in 72 year travesty. At least seven resigned, and at least one person was fired.

The Santa Ana winds happen yearly. California has chosen to limit logging, thinning, controlled burns, etc, and redirect money to solar panels, open drug bazaars (aka homeless), even subsiding the open use of hard drugs. Recently the state couldn't even account for $24 billion spent on said drug bazaars. California also openly entices and subsidizes illegal immigration. The Sierra Club also allegedly sued to destroy fire trails, which makes fighting fires much tougher. (Environmental extremists claim fire is natural, but omit that we have 50 years of fuel on our forest floors, forests and hillsides out of equilibrium, and neighborhoods built into forested areas.)

Where are the annual fire breaks, controlled burns, herds of goats, etc.? Chaparral is different than forested areas, but maintenence is still needed.

Our fires continue to get bigger and hotter, destroying the environment and soil. If we logged and thinned our forests, fires would be less intense, easier to manage, we could harvest trees, and prevent CO2 from entering the atmosphere. If it's really the boogie man.

The Tubbs Fire in 2017 burned over 36,000 acres across populated Napa, Sonoma, and Lake counties, destroying more than 5,600 structures and 22 lives. I used to drive there several times a month and never saw a single instance of thinning, maintenance, or fire breaks. $5.6 Billion in costs is one estimate.

The Mendocino Fire of 2018 burned 459,123 acres.

Also in 2018 The Camp Fire caused 85 fatalities, took 18,000 structures, causing an estimated $16.5 billion in damages.

The August Fire in 2020 burned 1,032,648 acres.

The Dixie Fire of 2021 burned 963,309 acres.

Yet the idealogues are consumed with not maintaining our forests, harvesting lumber (which provides jobs and lowers lumber prices), cutting fire breaks, having controlled burns, reducing Super Fires and CO2 release.