movielover said:
You think it's a wise idea to not maintain our forests for 4-5 decades?
concordtom said:movielover said:
You think it's a wise idea to not maintain our forests for 4-5 decades?
1. I'm not a fire professional or even an amateur. So…
2. Forests have existed for millions and millions and millions of years. Unless you're a hard core Christian and then it's only a couple/few thousand. Either way, we didn't manage forests then, so what's changed? We moved in.
3. These devastating fires aren't happening in forests. It's brush and scattered suburban trees.
4. You ignored my pun.
movielover said:
The Guardian: We surpassed human limits to stop this': LA megafires show our approach to fire needs to change
"We need to shift to a proactive model that accepts fire as part of the landscape and mitigates risk with fuel management, like prescribed burns, he said. "Instead of fire suppression, [we need] fire management and re-engaging with fire, which makes a great ally," he said...."
"..."What has been a tinder box ready to burn has now burned," Teutimez said. "Unfortunately, it's something that wasn't a surprise, but it is a catastrophe."
"From his perspective, non-Indigenous land management practices helped to set the stage for the destructive fires.
"Before European settlers arrived, there were fires that benefited the ecosystem, and native plants evolved to live with fire. Indigenous people set small fires to care for the landscape, until the practice was outlawed. The fire suppression model that displaced Indigenous practices allows vegetation to build up and create fuel for wildfires...."
"...The kind of fuel management that is required would cost a lot up front, but lower overall costs over time...."
"...Eyck said that although prescribed burns were happening, they were not happening nearly enough. Sometimes that's because the weather windows when they can take place are brief, because of local opposition, or because regulations and time get in the way. ... "It needs to be expanded, and then the regulatory barriers that are in place need to be addressed to make it easier to get their work done," he said..."
"...Kelly, the IAFF president, said budgets must increase staffing for firefighters and also include more money to manage fuels to mitigate risk. He emphasized that the Los Angeles fires were a wake-up call. "We need to be thinking differently," he said."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/los-angeles-wildfires-response
DEVELOPING: New fire breaks out in the Castaic area of Los Angeles county, spreading rapidly, officials saypic.twitter.com/lo12L3GiaW
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Despite the number of homes destroyed, it's not clear the Los Angeles fires were super fires. I suspect they weren't as there's so much pavement and concrete that there's not as much fuel to burn so it doesn't get as hot. The fact that most people were able to run through it and escape tells me it wasn't that insanely hot. Though I'll await the reports of professionals studying the fire damage to the soil and making their assessments.movielover said:
Thanks to Cal legend "Dr Bill" on KGO radio. He Harper about this for over 30 years.
Somewhere in that span I developed a friendship with a professional outdoorsman from Montana who had degrees in forest management and wildlife biology. Also played left tackle for one of the Montanas. He generally agreed w everything Dr Bill offered, with some not picking and flushing out of details.
The problem with these super fires is some burn so hot, they create their own weather and kill everything in the soil.
I believe one of President Trump's edicts will at least mean the San Luis (transfer) Reservoir gets more water. I'm mo expert, but he had me and 'water friend's' puzzled talking about us getting water from Canada and the Pacific Northwest. His big picture is correct, the rhetorical flourishes not so much.
movielover said:
The Guardian: We surpassed human limits to stop this': LA megafires show our approach to fire needs to change
"We need to shift to a proactive model that accepts fire as part of the landscape and mitigates risk with fuel management, like prescribed burns, he said. "Instead of fire suppression, [we need] fire management and re-engaging with fire, which makes a great ally," he said...."
"..."What has been a tinder box ready to burn has now burned," Teutimez said. "Unfortunately, it's something that wasn't a surprise, but it is a catastrophe."
"From his perspective, non-Indigenous land management practices helped to set the stage for the destructive fires.
"Before European settlers arrived, there were fires that benefited the ecosystem, and native plants evolved to live with fire. Indigenous people set small fires to care for the landscape, until the practice was outlawed. The fire suppression model that displaced Indigenous practices allows vegetation to build up and create fuel for wildfires...."
"...The kind of fuel management that is required would cost a lot up front, but lower overall costs over time...."
"...Eyck said that although prescribed burns were happening, they were not happening nearly enough. Sometimes that's because the weather windows when they can take place are brief, because of local opposition, or because regulations and time get in the way. ... "It needs to be expanded, and then the regulatory barriers that are in place need to be addressed to make it easier to get their work done," he said..."
"...Kelly, the IAFF president, said budgets must increase staffing for firefighters and also include more money to manage fuels to mitigate risk. He emphasized that the Los Angeles fires were a wake-up call. "We need to be thinking differently," he said."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/los-angeles-wildfires-response
DiabloWags said:concordtom said:movielover said:
You think it's a wise idea to not maintain our forests for 4-5 decades?
1. I'm not a fire professional or even an amateur. So…
2. Forests have existed for millions and millions and millions of years. Unless you're a hard core Christian and then it's only a couple/few thousand. Either way, we didn't manage forests then, so what's changed? We moved in.
3. These devastating fires aren't happening in forests. It's brush and scattered suburban trees.
4. You ignored my pun.
Doesn't sound like he's ever been to Los Angeles, let alone the westside of it.
And last time I checked, our forests are "maintained" by the U.S. Forest Service, which is an agency of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
I wouldn't claim to even pretend knowing anything about their possible "maintenance" protocols.
But of course, we have lots of Trumpers here that are EXPERTS IN FOREST MANAGEMENT due to a stable Genius who lets them know via Truth Social and Twitter.
Welcome to the "Golden Age of Stupidity"
Cal88 said:movielover said:
The Guardian: We surpassed human limits to stop this': LA megafires show our approach to fire needs to change
"We need to shift to a proactive model that accepts fire as part of the landscape and mitigates risk with fuel management, like prescribed burns, he said. "Instead of fire suppression, [we need] fire management and re-engaging with fire, which makes a great ally," he said...."
"..."What has been a tinder box ready to burn has now burned," Teutimez said. "Unfortunately, it's something that wasn't a surprise, but it is a catastrophe."
"From his perspective, non-Indigenous land management practices helped to set the stage for the destructive fires.
"Before European settlers arrived, there were fires that benefited the ecosystem, and native plants evolved to live with fire. Indigenous people set small fires to care for the landscape, until the practice was outlawed. The fire suppression model that displaced Indigenous practices allows vegetation to build up and create fuel for wildfires...."
"...The kind of fuel management that is required would cost a lot up front, but lower overall costs over time...."
"...Eyck said that although prescribed burns were happening, they were not happening nearly enough. Sometimes that's because the weather windows when they can take place are brief, because of local opposition, or because regulations and time get in the way. ... "It needs to be expanded, and then the regulatory barriers that are in place need to be addressed to make it easier to get their work done," he said..."
"...Kelly, the IAFF president, said budgets must increase staffing for firefighters and also include more money to manage fuels to mitigate risk. He emphasized that the Los Angeles fires were a wake-up call. "We need to be thinking differently," he said."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/los-angeles-wildfires-response
They must have read your posts on this thread.
bear2034 said:
Arsonists? What is going on?
DiabloWags said:
I dont trust Instagram.
Got anything from TikTok?
concordtom said:bear2034 said:
Arsonists? What is going on?
A family member remarked after 9/11
"Gee, if you wanted to cause America a lot of trouble, just drive around the west on the summer time with a bunch of flares and toss them into the woods."
All it takes is one Al Queda, one homeless, one Ted Kazinsky…
DiabloWags said:concordtom said:movielover said:
You think it's a wise idea to not maintain our forests for 4-5 decades?
1. I'm not a fire professional or even an amateur. So…
2. Forests have existed for millions and millions and millions of years. Unless you're a hard core Christian and then it's only a couple/few thousand. Either way, we didn't manage forests then, so what's changed? We moved in.
3. These devastating fires aren't happening in forests. It's brush and scattered suburban trees.
4. You ignored my pun.
Doesn't sound like he's ever been to Los Angeles, let alone the westside of it.
And last time I checked, our forests are "maintained" by the U.S. Forest Service, which is an agency of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
I wouldn't claim to even pretend knowing anything about their possible "maintenance" protocols.
But of course, we have lots of Trumpers here that are EXPERTS IN FOREST MANAGEMENT due to a stable Genius who lets them know via Truth Social and Twitter.
Welcome to the "Golden Age of Stupidity"
I am aligned with your thinking about reposting from social media. However, there were actual news reports about these budget cuts to fire suppression. The state had contracted with / paid the National Guard(?) to do it. No mas.DiabloWags said:
I dont trust Instagram.
Got anything from TikTok?
Quote:
The California National Guard fired a top commander after reports he used troops to carry out personal errands and put an F-15C fighter jet on standby in an order that raised concerns it would be used to frighten civilian protesters.
Another probe into Magram's conduct found that the general inappropriately used subordinates to carry out personal tasks, including an instance in which he had an on-duty Guard member drive him on a nearly 120-mile round trip to a dental appointment.
The unnamed service member was quoted in one document as saying that he did not want to take Magram to the appointment because "my job is to take care of the airmen in the state of California and not be a chauffeur for a general."
In another incident, Magram had a Guard member take his mother on a shopping trip, with the member saying, "she was particular. When I say particular, it had to be at Whole Foods. … It just took her a long time to decide what she wanted, a lot of comparison shopping amongst products."
movielover said:
Sure, update building codes, esp when building near forested areas.
What are cost estimates for running residential electrical underground in medium- and high-risk areas?
We're wasting Billions on a train to nowhere, open drug bazaars, DEI, and other social experiments.
Big C said:movielover said:
Sure, update building codes, esp when building near forested areas.
What are cost estimates for running residential electrical underground in medium- and high-risk areas?
We're wasting Billions on a train to nowhere, open drug bazaars, DEI, and other social experiments.
This is why my home state of California really tests my patience sometimes:
It's a known fact that DEI causes wildfires... and yet we persist! Why?!?
I don't know if we've ever thought of this before, but maybe we should recall the Governor, kind of like they did those clowns in Oakland!
movielover said:
Idiot narcissists create super fires.
You mean the same Los Angeles that's still burning?DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Idiot narcissists create super fires.
The Orange Genius is on his way to Los Angelese to tell everyone that the reason why they had these fires wipe everything out in the Palisades and Altadena is because the State didn't let the water flow from North to South.
There are some truly dumba^^ people in this world.
Lmfao!
MinotStateBeav said:You mean the same Los Angeles that's still burning?DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Idiot narcissists create super fires.
The Orange Genius is on his way to Los Angelese to tell everyone that the reason why they had these fires wipe everything out in the Palisades and Altadena is because the State didn't let the water flow from North to South.
There are some truly dumba^^ people in this world.
Lmfao!
