movielover said:
CONgress cuts spending, no line item veto.
Youre confused.
The REPUBLICAN CONGRESS and Trump's boy Mike Johnson passed Trump's spending bill.
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Youre confused.
The REPUBLICAN CONGRESS and Trump's boy Mike Johnson passed Trump's spending bill.
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bearister said:bear2034 said:
Every day you wake up and Trump is doing things…...
"Meanwhile, America is one-man rule. Resist and he'll ruin you. He'll destroy your law firm's business; he'll stop that corporate merger you want; he'll put a tariff on your company; he'll launch a DOJ investigation into you; he'll get you fired for doing your job in government faithfully; he'll sue you if you print something true about him; and if you're a federal judge and rule against him, he'll sic an online mob, and maybe a real mob, onto you. He has done all these things this year and openly celebrated them."
Andrew Sullivan
"Every day, Americans are bombarded with the bad news of Trump 2.0: concentration camps; cruel ICE raids targeting law-abiding residents; health insurance being yanked from millions; elite universities, media companies, and law firms yielding to mob-like extortion; crypto deals and other brazen grifting tied to a corrupt White House; rampant abuses of governmental power and threats of sham criminal prosecutions against the administration's critics and political foes; drastic cuts in food assistance; assaults on women's rights; the withholding of disaster relief; the reckless shutdowns and eviscerations of crucial government services and agencies that will result in hardship (and, in some cases, death) for Americans and people overseas….."
Dan Corn
"The senior administration official, as well as other Trump officials, note that it is a priority of the president's that these kinds of military deployments in L.A., and now D.C., in times of relative calm become normalized in American political culture. Trump has long believed he should be able to wield the might of military forces on American soil in ways more commonly associated with authoritarian states. He now has a government stacked full of loyalists who want to help him realize this goal. "He's gonna do more of them," another Trump administration official says, referring to siccing the military on deep-blue cities, using crime and immigrants as justification. "He promised he would do this, and now he's following through on those promises……"
Rolling Stone
"The Trump administration has ordered a comprehensive internal review of exhibitions and materials at several Smithsonian museums to ensure they align with the administration's interpretation of American history. This initiative follows an executive order from March 2025 titled "Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History," which criticized what it described as a "revisionist movement" across the country.
Key aspects of the review
* Focus: The initial phase will focus on eight museums, including the National Museum of American History, the National Museum of Natural History, and the National Museum of African American History and Culture."
AI Overview
Interesting how this thread has been hijacked.
wifeisafurd said:
Trump could very quietly just had policy changes as the GOP controls both the Board and the staff, but has instead has chosen to make this a very public fight.
Are you really all that surprised?
For Trump, its all about Culture Wars.
🚨NEW: Trump on the Los Angeles/Palisades fires
— Autism Capital 🧩 (@AutismCapital) August 11, 2025
"They still don't have their city permits. They have all their Federal permits. The mayor said "I think we can have them in 2 years. People wanted to start rebuilding immediately. Two years? Are you kidding me?
Now they're talking… pic.twitter.com/vAWcdlhmfb
We haven't heard from angry southern Californians who have been affected by the fires on the national level. They're angry at Newsom and Mayor Bass. Is the local media still covering this story?
DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:
Trump could very quietly just had policy changes as the GOP controls both the Board and the staff, but has instead has chosen to make this a very public fight.
Are you really all that surprised?
For Trump, its all about Culture Wars.
NoI'm not.Which Is why I just deleted the comment, I was being Captain Obvious.
wifeisafurd said:DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:
Trump could very quietly just had policy changes as the GOP controls both the Board and the staff, but has instead has chosen to make this a very public fight.
Are you really all that surprised?
For Trump, its all about Culture Wars.
NoI'm not.Which Is why I just deleted the comment, I was being Captain Obvious.
Concord Tom must be rubbing off on you.
lol
A foreign investor has quietly gobbled up 9 oceanfront lots in Malibu for $65 million following the January wildfires.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 21, 2025
The investor reportedly assembled a team to track down owners because the "desirable" sites weren't publicly listed.
"He started building a team on his end of… pic.twitter.com/e0sWr6EDVE
It's a land grab to the highest bidder including foreign investors.
bear2034 said:
It's a land grab to the highest bidder including foreign investors.
Who cares?
The homeowner has the right to sell to whomever he wants.
Or are you becoming a Socialist now and demand that the government intervene?
Trump wants a 10% cut.
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
“I love Cal deeply. What are the directions to The Portal from Sproul Plaza?”
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
“I love Cal deeply. What are the directions to The Portal from Sproul Plaza?”
bearister said:
Trump wants a 10% cut.
Probably.
Just like how the Mob Boss wants his 15% cut from Nvidia and AMD.
Donald Trump.
The ultimate MAGGOT.
BREAKING: Suspect Jonathan Rinderknecht has been arrested for allegedly causing the Palisades Fire, which devastated Los Angeles, leaving 12 people dead and causing nearly $150 billion in damages. pic.twitter.com/X50PCm7iRC
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) October 8, 2025
Wait, arson not climate change?
🚨 BREAKING: Jonathan Rinderknecht, the man who started the Pacific Palisades Fire donated to the Biden/Kamala campaign through ActBlue.
— The Patriot Oasis™ (@ThePatriotOasis) October 8, 2025
I bet you won’t find this on the news!
Source: @joma_gc ✅ pic.twitter.com/BO1hv88KIk
The arsonist supported the climate change cultists.
This is just the federal charges. City no doubt will prosecute for homiciide.
BTW: the real story was not the homeless encampment as was being claimed on the internet, but that LA County didn't fully extinguish the fire, and it became the Palisaded fire. Which means LA county too can be a co-plainitiff in the $10 billion plus in lawsuits faced by the City.
BTW: the real story was not the homeless encampment as was being claimed on the internet, but that LA County didn't fully extinguish the fire, and it became the Palisaded fire. Which means LA county too can be a co-plainitiff in the $10 billion plus in lawsuits faced by the City.
The Left…
— C3 (@C_3C_3) October 8, 2025
Gavin Newsom dumped water into the Pacific.
Jonathan Rinderknecht set fire to push the Climate Change Agenda.
Karen Bass had 0 operational fire hydrants in the Palisades area.
Then they fundraised, kept the cash for their causes and won’t let people rebuild.
Sick.
Quote:
> ..but that LA County didn't fully extinguish the fire, and it became the Palisaded fire. Which means LA county too can be a co-plainitiff in the $10 billion plus in lawsuits faced by the City.
always-sexy deeep pockets ^
PAC-10-BEAR said:The Left…
— C3 (@C_3C_3) October 8, 2025
Gavin Newsom dumped water into the Pacific.
Jonathan Rinderknecht set fire to push the Climate Change Agenda.
Karen Bass had 0 operational fire hydrants in the Palisades area.
Then they fundraised, kept the cash for their causes and won’t let people rebuild.
Sick.
Not only did Gavin Newsom dump water into the ocean, so has every other Governor in California history. Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis are doing it too. Dumping water into the oceans is what rivers do.
Also, you don't know what Rinderknecht's reason was for starting the fire was. He may have just been a creep that gets off on pyromania.
Rivers.
Lol!!!!
Lol!!!!
wifeisafurd said:
This is just the federal charges. City no doubt will prosecute for homiciide.
BTW: the real story was not the homeless encampment as was being claimed on the internet, but that LA County didn't fully extinguish the fire, and it became the Palisaded fire. Which means LA county too can be a co-plainitiff in the $10 billion plus in lawsuits faced by the City.
Really?
I think those citizens who survived Hiroshima might have drawn a successful lawsuit against Hirohito for not catching Little Boy in a big net.
Ray Nagin in New Orleans, 2005.
Elihu Harris in Oakland, '91.
Me? I'm going after Dennis Eckersley!
DiabloWags said:bear2034 said:
It's a land grab to the highest bidder including foreign investors.
Who cares?
The homeowner has the right to sell to whomever he wants.
Or are you becoming a Socialist now and demand that the government intervene?
Yes, if the land is being gobbled up by Socialists from foreign countries.
And this, of course… pic.twitter.com/s1QatqhiNr
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) October 10, 2025
Apparently there's a WSJ article about a $2B lottery winner who is buying up LA fire lots.
I'm sure our crack team here at BI will chase this story down and discuss it thoroughly.
I'm sure our crack team here at BI will chase this story down and discuss it thoroughly.
concordtom said:wifeisafurd said:
This is just the federal charges. City no doubt will prosecute for homiciide.
BTW: the real story was not the homeless encampment as was being claimed on the internet, but that LA County didn't fully extinguish the fire, and it became the Palisaded fire. Which means LA county too can be a co-plainitiff in the $10 billion plus in lawsuits faced by the City.
Really?
I think those citizens who survived Hiroshima might have drawn a successful lawsuit against Hirohito for not catching Little Boy in a big net.
Ray Nagin in New Orleans, 2005.
Elihu Harris in Oakland, '91.
Me? I'm going after Dennis Eckersley!
I'm just reporting rather that passing judgment:
This from the LA Times article that is behind a pay wall:
- Fire victims accuse the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) of "altering records" and changing its inspection policies to cover up negligence related to an empty reservoir that hampered firefighting efforts.On October 9, 2025, plaintiff attorneys filed a master complaint naming more than a dozen government agencies and utilities as defendants. These include the city of L.A., the LADWP, and the state of California, along with private companies like Southern California Edison, Charter Communications, and AT&T. The are alleging over $10 Billion in damages.The October 8, 2025, arrest of Jonathan Rinderknecht for allegedly starting the smaller Lachman Firewhich reignited days later as the Palisades Firewas announced just one day before the master complaint deadline. This new information does not necessarily nullify the negligence claims against the public entities, which focus on inadequate preparation and response after the fire started.
Proving liability against public entities for firefighting is difficult due to broad immunity under California law. Plaintiffs' lawyers are relying on a "dangerous condition" exception to overcome this immunity, and contemplate asserting claims against Los Angeles County and others in relation to the origin of the fire.
Does gross negligence come into play?
Dozens of incompetent decisions stacked one on top of another.
Not only did LAFD not monitor the smaller original fire containment;
Fox11: Whistleblower says Palisades Fire could have been prevented if LAFD leadership followed protocol
"A whistleblower says LAFD failed to deploy infrared heat sensors that could have detected lingering underground hot spots...."
" "FLIR is a tool that we use to see hot spots that we cannot see visually during the daytime. Especially when you have so much overgrowth. This is an absolute necessity tool that we've had for 20 years plus." "
https://www.foxla.com/news/palisades-fire-lafd-whistleblower-speaks-out
Dozens of incompetent decisions stacked one on top of another.
Not only did LAFD not monitor the smaller original fire containment;
Fox11: Whistleblower says Palisades Fire could have been prevented if LAFD leadership followed protocol
"A whistleblower says LAFD failed to deploy infrared heat sensors that could have detected lingering underground hot spots...."
" "FLIR is a tool that we use to see hot spots that we cannot see visually during the daytime. Especially when you have so much overgrowth. This is an absolute necessity tool that we've had for 20 years plus." "
https://www.foxla.com/news/palisades-fire-lafd-whistleblower-speaks-out
Maybe they could go after Big Oil for hiding data that indicated storms would be getting worse through global warming, that the west would become dryer.
Maybe they could go after god for making there be 70 mph hot winds so when any of 20B people living with the region of Santa Anas lit a match it wouldn't spread.
Maybe they could go after matchmakers and lighter manufacturers.
Or the home building industry for using combustible materials like wood siding instead of stucco.
I think maybe there must have been a few cars illegally parked that blocked fire trucks.
Meteorologists on the news also failed to properly inform the citizenry.
Come to think of it, I'm going to Pre-File a claim against whatever agency for not more accurately informing me of earthquake risk at my residence.
And I'm going to file a lawsuit against Trump for not better protecting me from retaliation gunfire when I go speak publicly against him (see the article about the judge's home in Edisto SC). I mean, the government exists to protect my rights and if they don't then they are all collectively responsible.
I need someone to sue for every last thing that could happen to me.
Maybe they could go after god for making there be 70 mph hot winds so when any of 20B people living with the region of Santa Anas lit a match it wouldn't spread.
Maybe they could go after matchmakers and lighter manufacturers.
Or the home building industry for using combustible materials like wood siding instead of stucco.
I think maybe there must have been a few cars illegally parked that blocked fire trucks.
Meteorologists on the news also failed to properly inform the citizenry.
Come to think of it, I'm going to Pre-File a claim against whatever agency for not more accurately informing me of earthquake risk at my residence.
And I'm going to file a lawsuit against Trump for not better protecting me from retaliation gunfire when I go speak publicly against him (see the article about the judge's home in Edisto SC). I mean, the government exists to protect my rights and if they don't then they are all collectively responsible.
I need someone to sue for every last thing that could happen to me.
> Maybe they could go after god for making there be 70 mph hot winds so when any of 20B people living with the region of Santa Anas lit a match it wouldn't spread.
except, sorrry, pretty sure the god fella (shirley male) on day zero granted itself unconditional immunity
# smiting R us / give up hope all yea who enter here
except, sorrry, pretty sure the god fella (shirley male) on day zero granted itself unconditional immunity
# smiting R us / give up hope all yea who enter here
How about:
Decades of incompetent Democrat leaders
Minimal fire abatement
No fire / hiking trails
DEI leaders
No water in the primary reservoir
No fire rigs stationed in PP during extreme fire danger per their own protocol
Non existent monitoring of recent local spot fire
Fire rigs out of commission
Out-of-state equipment had to go to Sacramento to get certified to help!! WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT or fly the Inspectors to LAC!
Haven't purchased Canadian or Russian Super Soaker jumbo jets
With PP always predicted for a large fire, whetecwas a new reservoir, new water lines?
LA Mayor flees to Africa
Deputy was in legal limbo?
LADWP hired a 750K DEI non-water-experienced Director
Onerous CA requirements for thinning trees, controlled burns
Etc.
Decades of incompetent Democrat leaders
Minimal fire abatement
No fire / hiking trails
DEI leaders
No water in the primary reservoir
No fire rigs stationed in PP during extreme fire danger per their own protocol
Non existent monitoring of recent local spot fire
Fire rigs out of commission
Out-of-state equipment had to go to Sacramento to get certified to help!! WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT or fly the Inspectors to LAC!
Haven't purchased Canadian or Russian Super Soaker jumbo jets
With PP always predicted for a large fire, whetecwas a new reservoir, new water lines?
LA Mayor flees to Africa
Deputy was in legal limbo?
LADWP hired a 750K DEI non-water-experienced Director
Onerous CA requirements for thinning trees, controlled burns
Etc.
^ tough break, sorry
Quote:
ohh, you live / lived in PP? srsly, so sorry for your loss
# global swarming sucks, big time
^ whoops, words intended with the prior post.
smh said:
ohh, you live / lived in PP? srsly, so sorry for your loss
# global swarming sucks, big time
"Global Warming" was a California resident anti-Trumper who voted for Biden.
@latimes The arsonist was a California resident who lived in the area of the Palisades & didn’t relocate to Florida until after the fire. Why do you lie? No ethical standards, no integrity, pure garbage. pic.twitter.com/DWgKFFviYI
— Brandon Let’s Go! (@MACS_Brandon) October 9, 2025
What are the odds he's a stoner or on other drugs, legal or not?
movielover said:
What are the odds he's a stoner or on other drugs, legal or not?
High.
smh said:
> Maybe they could go after god for making there be 70 mph hot winds so when any of 20B people living with the region of Santa Anas lit a match it wouldn't spread.
except, sorrry, pretty sure the god fella (shirley male) on day zero granted itself unconditional immunity
# smiting R us / give up hope all yea who enter here
Hahaha!
Or he appointed a Supreme Court, approved only by HIS angels, to grant him unconditional immunity.
> "Global Warming" was a California resident anti-Trumper who voted for Biden.
concordtom said:
Maybe they could go after Big Oil for hiding data that indicated storms would be getting worse through global warming, that the west would become dryer.
Maybe they could go after god for making there be 70 mph hot winds so when any of 20B people living with the region of Santa Anas lit a match it wouldn't spread.
Maybe they could go after matchmakers and lighter manufacturers.
Or the home building industry for using combustible materials like wood siding instead of stucco.
I think maybe there must have been a few cars illegally parked that blocked fire trucks.
Meteorologists on the news also failed to properly inform the citizenry.
Come to think of it, I'm going to Pre-File a claim against whatever agency for not more accurately informing me of earthquake risk at my residence.
And I'm going to file a lawsuit against Trump for not better protecting me from retaliation gunfire when I go speak publicly against him (see the article about the judge's home in Edisto SC). I mean, the government exists to protect my rights and if they don't then they are all collectively responsible.
I need someone to sue for every last thing that could happen to me.
This is a response to the several posts.
The gross negligence standard in California is "gross negligence" is an extreme failure to exercise care, demonstrating a "want of even scant care" or an "extreme departure from the ordinary standard of conduct" that shows a reckless disregard for the safety of others. That obviously is a question of fact, and in theory is supposed to be a much higher barrier for plaintiffs to overcome. Would not following protocols rise to that level?Depends. Not following protocols can rise to the level of gross negligence if the failure constitutes an "extreme departure from the ordinary standard of conduct". Being practical, I would think a finding of gross negligence would depend on how pissed off a jury got based on my limited exposure as having been the real estate lawyer for various governmental agencies with jurisdiction in Los Angeles County. Now a Judge could throw out the case on that standard before it goes to a jury, based on facts presented.
There are actually a large number of judges who were impacted by the fire not to mention potential jurors in the same boat. Most people here in the greater Los Angeles area have family members and friends who lost their homes in one or both of the two large fires earlier in the year. Economically, property damage estimates are as high as $53.8 billion, with broader economic losses of up to $8.9 billion for business disruptions in Los Angeles County per UCLA Anderson. There are environmental impacts, some of them long terms, such as to the coastlines, which has consequences to the quality of life, such as beach closures. And I could go on, but the upshot is that people down here are furious. So my guess is if a Judge lets this go to a jury, it will not take much to demonstrate gross negligence.
As to Tom's comments about blaming meteorologists, etc., there is the legal concept of proximate cause, which provides that an event that is sufficiently related to an injury to be considered its legal cause, even if it's not the sole cause, is actionable. It's determined generally by the foreseeability of the harm; that is, a reasonable person could have foreseen the harm caused by the event as a consequence of their action. That also is a question of fact, and essentially all reasonable people would find the hypotheticals poised by Tom and Movielover to be so remote as to not qualify as the proximate causes of the damages to our friends and relatives caused by the fires. My sense is even Tom would not so silly if the fires had happened in Concord has impacted his relatives or friends. That said, while the claimed misconduct or malfeasance of government officials makes a lot of headlines that is different than proving bad conduct to higher standards at a trial or demonstrating proximate cause, but I think if the $ Billions in claims gets to a Los Angeles County jury, many of the plaintiff private and governmental entities will seek bankruptcy court protection.
wifeisafurd said:concordtom said:
Maybe they could go after Big Oil for hiding data that indicated storms would be getting worse through global warming, that the west would become dryer.
Maybe they could go after god for making there be 70 mph hot winds so when any of 20B people living with the region of Santa Anas lit a match it wouldn't spread.
Maybe they could go after matchmakers and lighter manufacturers.
Or the home building industry for using combustible materials like wood siding instead of stucco.
I think maybe there must have been a few cars illegally parked that blocked fire trucks.
Meteorologists on the news also failed to properly inform the citizenry.
Come to think of it, I'm going to Pre-File a claim against whatever agency for not more accurately informing me of earthquake risk at my residence.
And I'm going to file a lawsuit against Trump for not better protecting me from retaliation gunfire when I go speak publicly against him (see the article about the judge's home in Edisto SC). I mean, the government exists to protect my rights and if they don't then they are all collectively responsible.
I need someone to sue for every last thing that could happen to me.
This is a response to the several posts.
The gross negligence standard in California is "gross negligence" is an extreme failure to exercise care, demonstrating a "want of even scant care" or an "extreme departure from the ordinary standard of conduct" that shows a reckless disregard for the safety of others. That obviously is a question of fact, and in theory is supposed to be a much higher barrier for plaintiffs to overcome. Would not following protocols rise to that level?Depends. Not following protocols can rise to the level of gross negligence if the failure constitutes an "extreme departure from the ordinary standard of conduct". Being practical, I would think a finding of gross negligence would depend on how pissed off a jury got based on my limited exposure as having been the real estate lawyer for various governmental agencies with jurisdiction in Los Angeles County. Now a Judge could throw out the case on that standard before it goes to a jury, based on facts presented.
There are actually a large number of judges who were impacted by the fire not to mention potential jurors in the same boat. Most people here in the greater Los Angeles area have family members and friends who lost their homes in one or both of the two large fires earlier in the year. Economically, property damage estimates are as high as $53.8 billion, with broader economic losses of up to $8.9 billion for business disruptions in Los Angeles County per UCLA Anderson. There are environmental impacts, some of them long terms, such as to the coastlines, which has consequences to the quality of life, such as beach closures. And I could go on, but the upshot is that people down here are furious. So my guess is if a Judge lets this go to a jury, it will not take much to demonstrate gross negligence.
As to Tom's comments about blaming meteorologists, etc., there is the legal concept of proximate cause, which provides that an event that is sufficiently related to an injury to be considered its legal cause, even if it's not the sole cause, is actionable. It's determined generally by the foreseeability of the harm; that is, a reasonable person could have foreseen the harm caused by the event as a consequence of their action. That also is a question of fact, and essentially all reasonable people would find the hypotheticals poised by Tom and Movielover to be so remote as to not qualify as the proximate causes of the damages to our friends and relatives caused by the fires. My sense is even Tom would not so silly if the fires had happened in Concord has impacted his relatives or friends. That said, while the claimed misconduct or malfeasance of government officials makes a lot of headlines that is different than proving bad conduct to higher standards at a trial or demonstrating proximate cause, but I think if the $ Billions in claims gets to a Los Angeles County jury, many of the plaintiff private and governmental entities will seek bankruptcy court protection.
A very excellent post!
I had assumed that my including meteorologists would reveal my attempts at humor. Farce. And I apologize if the style I employed was inappropriate or insensitive. I can see that.
I confess I have not at all followed the stories. I DO know the areas that burned and it is incredible. Shocking and sad.
I just ran a compare as reference
Quote:
Fire Name / Area
Date
Location
Deaths
Structures Destroyed
Notes
Camp Fire (Paradise)
Nov 2018
Paradise, Butte County
85
18,804
Most destructive fire in CA history; entire town of Paradise largely destroyed
Palisades Fire
Jan 2025
Pacific Palisades, Los Angeles County
12
~6,837
Part of 2025 LA fire complex; fast-moving urban-interface blaze
Eaton Fire (Altadena)
Jan 2025
Altadena / Pasadena area
18
~9,418
Burned through foothill communities; caused heavy structure losses
Combined (Palisades + Eaton)
Jan 2025
Los Angeles County
28 total
~16,000 total
So, I actually thought LA was bigger. In dollars, yes, I assume!!!
Santa Rosa, Napa, SCU Complex…. We've had SO Many fires up here. It's horrible. Everywhere!
I've accepted that once they start going, if the wind is blowing, forget about it!!!
It was absurd to read your post suggesting (as many whackos on here did endlessly) that the actions of anyone could have stopped it.
The wind blow embers many miles, sideways. Nothing you can do!
I agree with you that a jury can decide ANYTHING! Doesn't mean they find the truth or fairness. OJ Simpson?
Further to that - it's been proven to me that people can be convinced of ANYTHING:
Jesus miracles
Mohammed, martyr virgins.
Trump is innocent.
Frosted Flakes are Greeeaaaattttt!
Jews were the cause of German suffering.
Propaganda, marketing, brainwashing, the power of suggestion, group affiliation, repetition of ideas….. these things all trump (no pun) logic. And a jury system, election, consumer spending dollars - all depends on matters of emotion, no fact and logic.
My sincere condolences to all who suffered. And I don't know the facts of how anyone might have stopped these fires. I am admittedly uninformed. I was expressing my general opinion.
I know which side wants to draw me onto that jury. And I'd listen intently.
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