Biden issues preemptive pardons for Milley, Fauci and Jan. 6 committee members

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10:50p, 1/20/25
Meanwhile, Trump pardoned hundreds and hundreds of people like this. The party of law and order, am I right?

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In reply to BearGoggles • 11:12p, 1/20/25
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concordtom said:
BearGoggles said:
chazzed said:
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philly1121 said:
Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.
I know you are but what am I? I mean seriously, this is how broken you are.

I'm not crying. I'm celebrating the end of the Biden presidency. How are you doing today? LOL


So you celebrate when one president you can't stand is replaced by another president you can't stand? Weird.
Neither Biden nor Trump is an admirable person or my preferred choice for president. The difference is Biden's policies are (in my opinion) horrific and he's literally mentally and physically unfit for the job. Trump's policies are much better in my view (thought not perfect) and objectively more mainstream according to all reliable polling.

So yes, I celebrate the departure of a horrible, incapacitated and corrupt President and his replacement by someone who is not quite as bad.



I hope you're right.
But I believe Trump is going to provide you with ample downward surprises.
He certainly will.

Meanwhile, I'm watching TV right now and Trump is signing massive numbers of executive orders (many of questionable constitutionality) and CONCURRENTLY having a Q & A with the press.

He has literally answered more questions from the press in the last 10 minutes than Biden has in the past 2 years (probably longer). Everything from Tik Tok, to Israel/Gaza, to Ukraine to Iran,, to Russia, mixed in with running commentary on what he's signing. He's actually able to answer questions and have a dialogue. It is refreshing - even if much of what he says is annoying. At least he answers questions.

Goodness knows I am no Trump fan, but you make a good point.

Biden didn't answer questions because he was slipping. Harris didn't answer questions because she hadn't developed good enough, thoughtful answers, having only been Vice President for 3 1/2 years. Walz didn't answer questions because he was afraid he might say something that would lose them votes.

Trump goes out and answers questions. A lot of times, he answers with stupid-azz s***, but the very fact that he says what he thinks off the top of his head, many people find it refreshing. Trump is Mike Leach, to the Dems' Ben Braun and Justin Wilcox.
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11:56p, 1/20/25
Wow.

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In reply to chazzed • 12:15a, 1/21/25
A Supreme Court ruling back in 1915 stated that accepting a pardon is an "admission of guilt". The J6 prisoners have served their terms, it's been 4 years since J6.

Biden's family members have accepted pardons and therefore conceded that they're guilty, but will never serve time behind bars.
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In reply to chazzed • 12:38a, 1/21/25
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Meanwhile, Trump pardoned hundreds and hundreds of people like this. The party of law and order, am I right?

What crimes did the J6 committee commit?
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In reply to bear2034 • 6:09a, 1/21/25
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A Supreme Court ruling back in 1915 stated that accepting a pardon is an "admission of guilt". The J6 prisoners have served their terms, it's been 4 years since J6.

Biden's family members have accepted pardons and therefore conceded that they're guilty, but will never serve time behind bars.


Blah blah blah.

Everyone knows that Trump has lived a life of cruel vindictiveness, and that he has promised to make miserable anyone who crosses him. He's thrives on being the bully.

Stiffed contractors lost money. The entire GOP folded under his threats. And now these opponents have, too.

It will be a sweet day when some politician physically punches him in the face, live on camera, as a show of dissent.

Introduce me to this person and I will show you your next leader.
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 8:16a, 1/21/25
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Looks like most of these parsons are useless anyways
This is incorrect. A pardon may be issued any time after a crime is committed, whether charged / convicted or not. SCOTUS decision from the 1800, IIRC
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 9:14a, 1/21/25
Sorry Hawaii.
But you're WRONG again.

1886 case Ex parte Garland:

Overview of Pardon Power | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
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11:22a, 1/21/25

California, this is your Senator. Schiff was pardoned as a member of the J6 committee but he was also previously censured by his own colleagues in the House.
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11:49a, 1/21/25
MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.



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In reply to chazzed • 11:58a, 1/21/25
I agree with you. But let's be fair here. Biden just pardoned people who killed FBI and police officers. One doesn't absolve the other; both sets of pardons are distasteful to me.
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In reply to chazzed • 12:14p, 1/21/25
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MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.
Who's who? Who are the undercover FBI agents, informants, and agitators?
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In reply to bear2034 • 12:19p, 1/21/25
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chazzed said:
MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.
Who's who? Who are the undercover FBI agents, informants, and agitators?
Weird. Are you asking yourself questions? Because the burden of the proof is on the person forwarding the outlandish conspiracy theory. I'm surprised a Cal guy is just learning this.
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In reply to chazzed • 12:23p, 1/21/25
chazzed said:
bear2034 said:
chazzed said:
MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.
Who's who? Who are the undercover FBI agents, informants, and agitators?
Weird. Are you asking yourself questions? Because the burden of the proof is on the person forwarding the outlandish conspiracy theory. I'm surprised a Cal guy is just learning this.
You tweeted the pic, you tell me what we're looking at. Oh by the way, thousands of hours of video were only released way after J6, what could the government possibly be hiding? A better question would be: why did Biden pardon the entire J6 committee?
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In reply to bear2034 • 4:22p, 1/21/25
But Lawfare was a right wing MAGA farce...
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10:43a, 1/22/25


Hmm
"Nothing feels better to a coward than to watch a brave guy fall..."
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"Over just eight hours on Inauguration Day, Presidents Trump and Biden forever stretched the immense public and private power of the presidency to once-unimaginable dimensions, Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen write in a "Behind the Curtain" column:

Presidents can preemptively pardon family and friends in case of any accusation of grift or crimes.

Presidents can pardon violent criminals convicted of sedition and violence in defense of their politics.

Presidents and their families can start businesses or even currencies and profit without restriction or outcry.
Oh, and they can do this with the presumption of presidential immunity.

Why it matters: America doesn't have a king. But we're dancing close to king-like power."
-Axios


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In reply to bear2034 • 1:33p, 1/22/25
bear2034 said:

Jack Smith doesn't need a pardon because:

1. He committed no crimes;

2. He has prosecutorial immunity; and

3. Trump's Justice Department will have strictly ideologue hires, most, if not all of which, will have virtually no trial experience; Smith, on the other hand, will have the best criminal defense attorneys in the country pushing each other out of the way to represent him pro bono in order to get a 33 1/3 to 40 % cut of the state court malicious prosecution action that will be filed against the federal government after they stuff the baseless prosecution of Jack Smith up their collective keester.
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In reply to bearister • 2:10p, 1/22/25
bearister said:
"Over just eight hours on Inauguration Day, Presidents Trump and Biden forever stretched the immense public and private power of the presidency to once-unimaginable dimensions, Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen write in a "Behind the Curtain" column:

Presidents can preemptively pardon family and friends in case of any accusation of grift or crimes.

Presidents can pardon violent criminals convicted of sedition and violence in defense of their politics.

Presidents and their families can start businesses or even currencies and profit without restriction or outcry.
Oh, and they can do this with the presumption of presidential immunity.

Why it matters: America doesn't have a king. But we're dancing close to king-like power."
-Axios




You wonder how someone can write this hysterial nonsense with a straight face.

What consequences were there for bankers gutting the economy and plunging the country into chaos and ruin?

What consequences were there for lies that led to a criminal war and tens of thousand dead? For torture, spying on Americans, gutting civil liberties

The rich and powerful have always had "pardons" even if not formalized
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 2:26p, 1/22/25
True, but there were consequences for the Far Right group members* that took part in planning of the the Insurrection and battered the police and the Presidential pardon power undid those consequences, and that is the point of the article. You raise another issue.

The media is claiming that many of these guys will be a danger* to their victims that testified against them. I, on the other hand, fantasize that some of the battered on 1/6 are ex military with SOF training, or they may have friends, family or sympathizers that do, and it may turn out that some of the violent January 6 offenders would have been safer in prison than hitting the pavement. Some of the cops may still feel raw about almost being killed by cowards that out numbered them by the thousands.


*" Trump pardoned Enrique Tarrio, the fascist Proud Boy leader convicted of seditious conspiracy and serving a 22-year sentence in federal prison for coordinating the attack on the Capitol from outside Washington.

Trump also commuted the sentences of 14 extremist members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers convicted for plotting to violently overthrow the U.S. government and keep Trump in office."
-Axios

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In reply to bearister • 2:52p, 1/22/25
bearister said:
True, but there were consequences for the Far Right group members* that took part in planning of the the Insurrection and battered the police and the Presidential pardon power undid those consequences, and that is the point of the article. You raise another issue.

The media is claiming that many of these guys will be a danger to their victims that testified against them. I, on the other hand, fantasize that some of the battered on 1/6 are ex military with SOF training, or they may have friends, family or sympathizers that do, and it may turn out that some of the violent January 6 offenders would have been safer in prison than hitting the pavement. Time will tell.

Some of the cops may still feel raw about almost being killed by cowards that out numbered them by the thousands.

*" Trump pardoned Enrique Tarrio, the fascist Proud Boy leader convicted of seditious conspiracy and serving a 22-year sentence in federal prison for coordinating the attack on the Capitol from outside Washington.

Trump also commuted the sentences of 14 extremist members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers convicted for plotting to violently overthrow the U.S. government and keep Trump in office."
-Axios


There were a few proud boys but the lack of serious weaponry points more to the assorted overweight middle aged guys on a spree- facilitated by the worst security breakdown since 9/11 again with no consequences.

I don't think there will be recriminations as all
Since the para military groups are populated by FBI informers
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In reply to concordtom • 10:21p, 1/22/25
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bear2034 said:
A Supreme Court ruling back in 1915 stated that accepting a pardon is an "admission of guilt". The J6 prisoners have served their terms, it's been 4 years since J6.

Biden's family members have accepted pardons and therefore conceded that they're guilty, but will never serve time behind bars.


Blah blah blah.

Everyone knows that Trump has lived a life of cruel vindictiveness, and that he has promised to make miserable anyone who crosses him. He's thrives on being the bully.

Stiffed contractors lost money. The entire GOP folded under his threats. And now these opponents have, too.

It will be a sweet day when some politician physically punches him in the face, live on camera, as a show of dissent.

Introduce me to this person and I will show you your next leader.



You swallowed the propaganda pill so hard you exceed mere brainwashing



Tons of democrats agree that Biden pardons are an absolute disgrace
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In reply to chazzed • 10:27p, 1/22/25
chazzed said:
MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.






Show the video. That pic doesn't show much.
There was a small amount of violence. Some bad but none lethal.
It was all orchestrated by pelosi who denied Trumps request for 10000 national guard to be present and filed by fbi and antifa plants who were instigating the. Violence..

Most J6 peaceful protesters did nothing wrong or minimal wrong.


The rest served their time
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In reply to chazzed • 10:28p, 1/22/25
chazzed said:
bear2034 said:
chazzed said:
MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.
Who's who? Who are the undercover FBI agents, informants, and agitators?
Weird. Are you asking yourself questions? Because the burden of the proof is on the person forwarding the outlandish conspiracy theory. I'm surprised a Cal guy is just learning this.


You posted that pic. Burden on you
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In reply to bearister • 10:33p, 1/22/25
bearister said:
True, but there were consequences for the Far Right group members* that took part in planning of the the Insurrection and battered the police and the Presidential pardon power undid those consequences, and that is the point of the article. You raise another issue.

The media is claiming that many of these guys will be a danger* to their victims that testified against them. I, on the other hand, fantasize that some of the battered on 1/6 are ex military with SOF training, or they may have friends, family or sympathizers that do, and it may turn out that some of the violent January 6 offenders would have been safer in prison than hitting the pavement. Some of the cops may still feel raw about almost being killed by cowards that out numbered them by the thousands.


*" Trump pardoned Enrique Tarrio, the fascist Proud Boy leader convicted of seditious conspiracy and serving a 22-year sentence in federal prison for coordinating the attack on the Capitol from outside Washington.

Trump also commuted the sentences of 14 extremist members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers convicted for plotting to violently overthrow the U.S. government and keep Trump in office."
-Axios

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Twisted reality impregnated into your brain by globalist msm…be better
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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:33p, 1/22/25
DiabloWags said:
Sorry Hawaii.
But you're WRONG again.

1886 case Ex parte Garland:

Overview of Pardon Power | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress



Appears so. Notice my noncommittal words in that previous post?

You on the other hand are absolute in your parrot puking of msm lies and half truths…
You think Trump is less pro police than radical left! lol! Typical media believing lamb. You just argue micro points and can't see the big picture.
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12:17a, 1/23/25
How the majority of the nation sees it



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In reply to bear2034 • 3:52a, 1/23/25
bear2034 said:

California, this is your Senator. Schiff was pardoned as a member of the J6 committee but he was also previously censured by his own colleagues in the House.


Maybe you could just tell us what crime Schiff committed.
I'd rather have you present the case than use silly innuendo.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 3:55a, 1/23/25
tequila4kapp said:
I agree with you. But let's be fair here. Biden just pardoned people who killed FBI and police officers. One doesn't absolve the other; both sets of pardons are distasteful to me.

Pardoned?
Or commuted their death sentence for life in prison instead?

Big difference. Do you even pay attention to such things?
Trump said on Jan 20 "pardon" when he should have said what I just said above. Changed death to life in prison.

Come on, Tequila!!
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In reply to bear2034 • 3:57a, 1/23/25
bear2034 said:
chazzed said:
MAGA's idea of "backing the blue" can be seen in the tweet below.
Who's who? Who are the undercover FBI agents, informants, and agitators?


Oh, shut up!
Don't be so daft as to believe the BS you read on alt-nonsense blogs.

I can't believe you people are so f'ing stupid.
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In reply to bear2034 • 3:58a, 1/23/25
bear2034 said:
why did Biden pardon the entire J6 committee?


To stop Trump from creating Poo Soup.
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In reply to concordtom • 7:44a, 1/23/25
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:
I agree with you. But let's be fair here. Biden just pardoned people who killed FBI and police officers. One doesn't absolve the other; both sets of pardons are distasteful to me.

Pardoned?
Or commuted their death sentence for life in prison instead?

Big difference. Do you even pay attention to such things?
Trump said on Jan 20 "pardon" when he should have said what I just said above. Changed death to life in prison.

Come on, Tequila!!
Fair point - I was loose with Pardon vs. Commutation. Peltier was commuted. I am not sure...thought others were pardoned who killed cops.

Here's the bottom line for me: commuting or pardoning people who commit violence against our LEOs is a very tough pill to swallow. Perhaps there are individual cases where significant circumstances for the individual are at play to justify it. But generally I find it distasteful and wrong minded. I don't especially like the recent actions of either of our Presidents on this front.
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