Biden issues preemptive pardons for Milley, Fauci and Jan. 6 committee members

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philly1121
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bear2034 said:

concordtom said:

Wow.
Big news.
It was so big, Biden waited until the very last minute of his presidency to avoid the backlash.
MAGA tears. I'm enjoying Biden's "eff you" to you and MAGA on his way out. Delicious.
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oski003 said:

The pardons, coming in the final hours of Biden's president, amount to an extraordinary flex of presidential power.

Fauci served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infection Disease for decades, including during the outbreak of Covid in Trump's first presidency. He has been subject to intense vitriol from the political right. Milley served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during Trump's first term and has warned Trump is a fascist.

Fauci claims he has not committed any crime but has yet to decline Biden's pardon.
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philly1121 said:

bear2034 said:

concordtom said:

Wow.
Big news.
It was so big, Biden waited until the very last minute of his presidency to avoid the backlash.
MAGA tears. I'm enjoying Biden's "eff you" to you and MAGA on his way out. Delicious.
Biden is actually hurting the Democratic Party and the rest of the country by doing this.
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concordtom said:

philly1121 said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

The first thing he should do is preemptively pardon himself and his entire staff. After all, it isn't proof of criminality. Rather, they are targets of Democrat witch hunts.


It would be in sync with his authorization ways. Prosecute enemies, do whatever he wants.



I just love that you and philly can't see your hypocrisy here. Your TDS certainly leads to some laughs.


Right back at you.
Your mental abilities do not impress me in the least.


Nope. I would be disgusted if Trump dropped down to Biden's level and pardoned his staff and family for any and all crimes. That is a flagrant and scary abuse of power.


003, did you get locked out of Capital One? Aw man. All that money!

You have no problem with Dear Leader pardoning Jared Kushners father. But this. Whoa! Fauci and Cheney? It's a bridge too far he tells us! MAGA hypocrisy.



Just wait till he releases all the "guilty"-pleaded, prosecuted, and currently jailed ACTUAL CRIMINALS from January 6th Coup d'Etat attempt.

003 should choke on his words.
And we'll sit back and laugh while he does so.
Anyone who engaged in violence or used force on Jan 6 should not be pardoned. However, the Jan 6 cases were in most cases over charged - particularly people who did nothing more than walk into the capital had the book thrown at them in a way that was completely unprecedented.

That was in stark contrast to how the BLM 2020 riots were charged (i.e., not charged) or, for that matter, the complete absence of charges against democrats who have also disrupted congress. Code Pink does this routinely. Just last week people disrupted the confirmation hearings. And same at the Kavanaugh confirmation. Why weren't any of those people charged in the same way as non-violent Jan 6 participants?

Again - anyone who engaged in violence, attacked police, etc., should receive no leniency.
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concordtom said:

philly1121 said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

The first thing he should do is preemptively pardon himself and his entire staff. After all, it isn't proof of criminality. Rather, they are targets of Democrat witch hunts.


It would be in sync with his authorization ways. Prosecute enemies, do whatever he wants.



I just love that you and philly can't see your hypocrisy here. Your TDS certainly leads to some laughs.


Right back at you.
Your mental abilities do not impress me in the least.


Nope. I would be disgusted if Trump dropped down to Biden's level and pardoned his staff and family for any and all crimes. That is a flagrant and scary abuse of power.


003, did you get locked out of Capital One? Aw man. All that money!

You have no problem with Dear Leader pardoning Jared Kushners father. But this. Whoa! Fauci and Cheney? It's a bridge too far he tells us! MAGA hypocrisy.



Just wait till he releases all the "guilty"-pleaded, prosecuted, and currently jailed ACTUAL CRIMINALS from January 6th Coup d'Etat attempt.

003 should choke on his words.
And we'll sit back and laugh while he does so.


99% of the folks involved in January 6 should be free already anyway. If Trump pardons folks, hopefully it is specific to the minor acts they did around Jan 6.
concordtom
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BearGoggles said:

concordtom said:

philly1121 said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

The first thing he should do is preemptively pardon himself and his entire staff. After all, it isn't proof of criminality. Rather, they are targets of Democrat witch hunts.


It would be in sync with his authorization ways. Prosecute enemies, do whatever he wants.



I just love that you and philly can't see your hypocrisy here. Your TDS certainly leads to some laughs.


Right back at you.
Your mental abilities do not impress me in the least.


Nope. I would be disgusted if Trump dropped down to Biden's level and pardoned his staff and family for any and all crimes. That is a flagrant and scary abuse of power.


003, did you get locked out of Capital One? Aw man. All that money!

You have no problem with Dear Leader pardoning Jared Kushners father. But this. Whoa! Fauci and Cheney? It's a bridge too far he tells us! MAGA hypocrisy.



Just wait till he releases all the "guilty"-pleaded, prosecuted, and currently jailed ACTUAL CRIMINALS from January 6th Coup d'Etat attempt.

003 should choke on his words.
And we'll sit back and laugh while he does so.
Anyone who engaged in violence or used force on Jan 6 should not be pardoned. However, the Jan 6 cases were in most cases over charged - particularly people who did nothing more than walk into the capital had the book thrown at them in a way that was completely unprecedented.

That was in stark contrast to how the BLM 2020 riots were charged (i.e., not charged) or, for that matter, the complete absence of charges against democrats who have also disrupted congress. Code Pink does this routinely. Just last week people disrupted the confirmation hearings. And same at the Kavanaugh confirmation. Why weren't any of those people charged in the same way as non-violent Jan 6 participants?

Again - anyone who engaged in violence, attacked police, etc., should receive no leniency.


Thank you for saying so. There were people smashing cops on the head, smashing windows, pushing cops over and breaking g massive obvious laws. No confusion!

However, Trump is going to pardon them, and they will organize themselves into his Gestapo. You'll see.

Will you regret your support when the horrors come?
He has promised, they are coming.
He is your retribution.
concordtom
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oski003 said:

concordtom said:

philly1121 said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

The first thing he should do is preemptively pardon himself and his entire staff. After all, it isn't proof of criminality. Rather, they are targets of Democrat witch hunts.


It would be in sync with his authorization ways. Prosecute enemies, do whatever he wants.



I just love that you and philly can't see your hypocrisy here. Your TDS certainly leads to some laughs.


Right back at you.
Your mental abilities do not impress me in the least.


Nope. I would be disgusted if Trump dropped down to Biden's level and pardoned his staff and family for any and all crimes. That is a flagrant and scary abuse of power.


003, did you get locked out of Capital One? Aw man. All that money!

You have no problem with Dear Leader pardoning Jared Kushners father. But this. Whoa! Fauci and Cheney? It's a bridge too far he tells us! MAGA hypocrisy.



Just wait till he releases all the "guilty"-pleaded, prosecuted, and currently jailed ACTUAL CRIMINALS from January 6th Coup d'Etat attempt.

003 should choke on his words.
And we'll sit back and laugh while he does so.


99% of the folks involved in January 6 should be free already anyway. If Trump pardons folks, hopefully it is specific to the minor acts they did around Jan 6.


You don't know that.
Your just parroting partisan untruths you've heard from the likes of liars-r-us.

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concordtom said:

BearGoggles said:

concordtom said:

philly1121 said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

The first thing he should do is preemptively pardon himself and his entire staff. After all, it isn't proof of criminality. Rather, they are targets of Democrat witch hunts.


It would be in sync with his authorization ways. Prosecute enemies, do whatever he wants.



I just love that you and philly can't see your hypocrisy here. Your TDS certainly leads to some laughs.


Right back at you.
Your mental abilities do not impress me in the least.


Nope. I would be disgusted if Trump dropped down to Biden's level and pardoned his staff and family for any and all crimes. That is a flagrant and scary abuse of power.


003, did you get locked out of Capital One? Aw man. All that money!

You have no problem with Dear Leader pardoning Jared Kushners father. But this. Whoa! Fauci and Cheney? It's a bridge too far he tells us! MAGA hypocrisy.



Just wait till he releases all the "guilty"-pleaded, prosecuted, and currently jailed ACTUAL CRIMINALS from January 6th Coup d'Etat attempt.

003 should choke on his words.
And we'll sit back and laugh while he does so.
Anyone who engaged in violence or used force on Jan 6 should not be pardoned. However, the Jan 6 cases were in most cases over charged - particularly people who did nothing more than walk into the capital had the book thrown at them in a way that was completely unprecedented.

That was in stark contrast to how the BLM 2020 riots were charged (i.e., not charged) or, for that matter, the complete absence of charges against democrats who have also disrupted congress. Code Pink does this routinely. Just last week people disrupted the confirmation hearings. And same at the Kavanaugh confirmation. Why weren't any of those people charged in the same way as non-violent Jan 6 participants?

Again - anyone who engaged in violence, attacked police, etc., should receive no leniency.


Thank you for saying so. There were people smashing cops on the head, smashing windows, pushing cops over and breaking g massive obvious laws. No confusion!

However, Trump is going to pardon them, and they will organize themselves into his Gestapo. You'll see.

Will you regret your support when the horrors come?
He has promised, they are coming.
He is your retribution.
Those people deserve no leniency. If Trump pardons them, I will be the first person to say its wrong.

I don't expect horrors to come and if they do, I expect them to pale in comparison to the horrors that Joe Biden created. That being said, many of the things dems regard as "horrors" are policies that Trump ran on and are very popular (e.g., closing the border, trans issues, etc.). Lots of hyperbole from both sides on basic policy issues. Horrors are very much in the eye of the beholder.

One clarification - I think people who engaged in vandalism (but not violence/forced entry into the capital) should be charged consistent with other vandalism charges. How were the other protesters or people attacking statues/federal property charged? There needs to be equal justice and equal sentencing. They should not be pardoned, but the sentences should be aligned.
philly1121
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Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.
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philly1121 said:

Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.
I know you are but what am I? I mean seriously, this is how broken you are.

I'm not crying. I'm celebrating the end of the Biden presidency. How are you doing today? LOL
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Adam Schiff is very much against preemptive pardons. He agrees it is a sign of guilt. Its really bad when a president does this for a family member.

So according to Adam Schiff, Liz Cheny, Adam Schiff and many others are guilty of a crime.



Chuck Shumer agrees with Adam Schiff

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Anarchistbear said:

Joe should pardon Pete Rose .instead of these trivial people. Nobody even knows or cares who they are

Erased from our memory.
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Not only will most of the J6 protestors be pardoned, class action lawsuits will be filed against the pardoned J6 committee members.
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Per CNN, it is reported that "people convicted of nonviolent offenses related to the January 6, 2021, US Capitol attack and to commute the sentences of others convicted of more serious offenses, according to multiple sources familiar with the plan."

From the CNN article:

"About 55% of January 6 prosecutions are misdemeanor cases, with charges like disorderly conduct or trespassing, according to Justice Department data. For those convicted, the vast majority were sentenced to probation or a few months in prison and were already released.

Some defendants are elderly people who got caught up in the frenzy. Others went inside the Capitol for a handful of minutes but never attacked anyone or vandalized anything. Most have no criminal record. A large chunk of the people in the mob said they never intended to infiltrate the Capitol, let alone disrupt Congress' certification of the 2020 election results. Some believe they were waved into the building by police."

That is obscene. The DOJ - and Biden admin - abused the criminal process.

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BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.
I know you are but what am I? I mean seriously, this is how broken you are.

I'm not crying. I'm celebrating the end of the Biden presidency. How are you doing today? LOL
Great! Went to an MLK march. Quite chilly here in the Valley. Now i'm watching Chelsea-Wolves.

Did you get into the arena?

And dude - Vivek's out as co-chair of DOGE?? *** happened? I knew someone wasn't going to make it past 1/20. Guess he's the one. Then again, perhaps it truly is the DOGE. lol
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philly1121 said:

Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.

America won today. You lost.
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tequila4kapp said:

Today's pardons are disgusting, hypocrisy at its highest. Biden goes down as the worst President ever, IMO.


Bush Jr was way worse. This is all trivial pursuit in a dying empire
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LMAO. You post a twitter post of Musk? MUSK?? The frozen image is of....MUSK. This only proves my point as to who is in charge.

And if you look closely, you can see the knife Musk used to stab Vivek in the back to get him out of DOGE. Efficiencies!

Ok, who's out first 34? The Mexicans? Indians? Muslims? I'm telling ya, this Boxcars to the Border is a real deal 34. And now that Dear Leader is trying to wipe the 14th amendment out, its a whole new ballgame.
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Cry harder. lol.

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You like her? You think she's hot? She loves Andrew Tate. But you go 34!!
bear2034
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philly, one more time.....


Let's go!
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That's not a good look. What say you movielover? You likey?
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BearGoggles said:


One clarification - I think people who engaged in vandalism (but not violence/forced entry into the capital) should be charged consistent with other vandalism charges. How were the other protesters or people attacking statues/federal property charged? There needs to be equal justice and equal sentencing. They should not be pardoned, but the sentences should be aligned.
Here is a Portland anarchist convicted of arson for lighting up a UPS facility in political protest against the company. He was previously convicted for threatening the mayor and before that for setting a dumpster fire and smashing windows to the county justice center during the 2021 protests. He was sentenced this week to 10 days.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/portland-anarchist-jarrid-huber-pleads-guilty-arson-fire-ups-facility-swan-island/283-06904c3b-ab99-4ba0-bfa5-97bdfdcc9df6
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philly1121 said:



That's not a good look. What say you movielover? You likey?

Try harder. lol.
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oski003 said:

bear2034 said:


If this is real, Biden might be the worst president in the history of the United States. Hopefully, Trump isn't worse.

It's as real as Hunter Biden's laptop.
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bear2034 said:

oski003 said:

The pardons, coming in the final hours of Biden's president, amount to an extraordinary flex of presidential power.

Fauci served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infection Disease for decades, including during the outbreak of Covid in Trump's first presidency. He has been subject to intense vitriol from the political right. Milley served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during Trump's first term and has warned Trump is a fascist.

Fauci claims he has not committed any crime but has yet to decline Biden's pardon.
I'd take the pardon. In the current atmosphere, you won't have to be guilty to be convicted.
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The jurisdiction for these potential non-family matters would be DC. No D is getting convicted of anything in that jurisdiction over charges brought by a Trump DOJ.
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tequila4kapp said:

BearGoggles said:


One clarification - I think people who engaged in vandalism (but not violence/forced entry into the capital) should be charged consistent with other vandalism charges. How were the other protesters or people attacking statues/federal property charged? There needs to be equal justice and equal sentencing. They should not be pardoned, but the sentences should be aligned.
Here is a Portland anarchist convicted of arson for lighting up a UPS facility in political protest against the company. He was previously convicted for threatening the mayor and before that for setting a dumpster fire and smashing windows to the county justice center during the 2021 protests. He was sentenced this week to 10 days.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/portland-anarchist-jarrid-huber-pleads-guilty-arson-fire-ups-facility-swan-island/283-06904c3b-ab99-4ba0-bfa5-97bdfdcc9df6
Ridiculous comparison.

Not the Capital.
Not the seat of representative government.
Not trying to overthrow said representative government.
Not alone in that effort.
No one hurt. J6 protestors injurefd 140+ police officers.

Is this what you've reduced yourself to? One sick man for torching his former employer as opposed to a group of people (traitors) trying to overthrow an election result because of a whiney loser? Good. Glad I clarified that for you. lol
philly1121
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yeah i mean seriously. At this point Dear Leader would go after Dems who jaywalk and say they were trying to hurt him. He's got an enemies list.
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Reading comprehension 101.
The post I responded to posited there should be similar J6 VANDALISM punishment. Obviously, since J6 stands alone we must look to other politically motivated crimes and their respective punishments. The comparison is completely valid for people who committed vandalism J6 but didn't harm anyone.

This guy had a 3rd offense with all 3 offenses being politically motivated.
1. Set fire to a dumpster adjacent to a courthouse during a political protest. (This is about as comparable to J6 as we are going to get). No jail time.
2. Threatened the mayor. No jail time.
3. Committed arson against a company to protest its policy supporting police. 10 days in jail.
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tequila4kapp said:

BearGoggles said:


One clarification - I think people who engaged in vandalism (but not violence/forced entry into the capital) should be charged consistent with other vandalism charges. How were the other protesters or people attacking statues/federal property charged? There needs to be equal justice and equal sentencing. They should not be pardoned, but the sentences should be aligned.
Here is a Portland anarchist convicted of arson for lighting up a UPS facility in political protest against the company. He was previously convicted for threatening the mayor and before that for setting a dumpster fire and smashing windows to the county justice center during the 2021 protests. He was sentenced this week to 10 days.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/portland-anarchist-jarrid-huber-pleads-guilty-arson-fire-ups-facility-swan-island/283-06904c3b-ab99-4ba0-bfa5-97bdfdcc9df6
That's 10 days more than most of the people who engaged in vandalism/arson/violence in connection with the BLM "mostly peaceful protests." In Portland, Seattle, DC and Minnesota (among other places), many buildings (including government buildings) were attacked and damaged. I don't recall the feds pursuing misdemeanor charges against anyone.

There were arrests and convictions in Portland. It seems like the prosecution and sentencing should be aligned.

This guy, who's crimes were pretty serious, got 15 months.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/portland-man-federal-prison-protest/283-53839089-8beb-4570-8549-0e3eb43550c6

Notably, after the Biden admin was installed, they dismissed almost half of the cases.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost-half-of-federal-cases-against-portland-rioters-have-been-dismissed-11618501979

"The penalties levied so far against any federal defendants, most of whom were arrested in clashes around federal buildings in Portland including the courthouse, have largely consisted of community service, such as working in a food bank or encouraging people to vote."

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philly1121 said:


Ok, who's out first 34? The Mexicans? Indians? Muslims? I'm telling ya, this Boxcars to the Border is a real deal 34. And now that Dear Leader is trying to wipe the 14th amendment out, its a whole new ballgame.


I'm with you.
I see bad things on the horizon.

And let's just get back to the issue of free and fair elections. Does anyone believe the election in 3 years is going to occur as we've become accustomed to? I don't. I believe we're entering a new era where a corrupt GOP is going to rig things for their puppets.
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Anarchistbear said:

tequila4kapp said:

Today's pardons are disgusting, hypocrisy at its highest. Biden goes down as the worst President ever, IMO.


Bush Jr was way worse. This is all trivial pursuit in a dying empire


Well, at least we agree on one thing.
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concordtom said:

philly1121 said:


Ok, who's out first 34? The Mexicans? Indians? Muslims? I'm telling ya, this Boxcars to the Border is a real deal 34. And now that Dear Leader is trying to wipe the 14th amendment out, its a whole new ballgame.


I'm with you.
I see bad things on the horizon.

And let's just get back to the issue of free and fair elections. Does anyone believe the election in 3 years is going to occur as we've become accustomed to? I don't. I believe we're entering a new era where a corrupt GOP is going to rig things for their puppets.


Congresswoman suggests Trump admitted Musk rigged election in Pa. - pennlive.com


https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/01/congresswoman-suggests-trump-admitted-musk-rigged-election-in-pa.html

Trump on Musk:

"And then he journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent like a month and a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania," Trump said. "And he's a popular guy. And he was very effective. And he knows those computers better than anybody."

"All those computers," Trump continued. "Those vote counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So it was pretty good. It's pretty good."
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

oski003 said:

The pardons, coming in the final hours of Biden's president, amount to an extraordinary flex of presidential power.

Fauci served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infection Disease for decades, including during the outbreak of Covid in Trump's first presidency. He has been subject to intense vitriol from the political right. Milley served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during Trump's first term and has warned Trump is a fascist.

Fauci claims he has not committed any crime but has yet to decline Biden's pardon.
I'd take the pardon. In the current atmosphere, you won't have to be guilty to be convicted.


MLK would not.
He would lead a march!



 
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