Biden issues preemptive pardons for Milley, Fauci and Jan. 6 committee members

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7:46a, 1/23/25
Domestic terrorist Stewart Rhodes eating at the Capitol yesterday.
I guess it's no longer the People's House. It's the house of Insurrectionists.

Thank You President Trump!
MAGA!



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1:28p, 1/23/25

Promises made, promises kept.
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:53p, 1/23/25
From what I remember reading about these cases these pardons are way way overdue.

Back to the J6 pardons. Included within this link are several notable sentences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_proceedings_in_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
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5:51p, 1/23/25
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 6:00p, 1/23/25
tequila4kapp said:
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:
I agree with you. But let's be fair here. Biden just pardoned people who killed FBI and police officers. One doesn't absolve the other; both sets of pardons are distasteful to me.

Pardoned?
Or commuted their death sentence for life in prison instead?

Big difference. Do you even pay attention to such things?
Trump said on Jan 20 "pardon" when he should have said what I just said above. Changed death to life in prison.

Come on, Tequila!!
Fair point - I was loose with Pardon vs. Commutation. Peltier was commuted. I am not sure...thought others were pardoned who killed cops.

Here's the bottom line for me: commuting or pardoning people who commit violence against our LEOs is a very tough pill to swallow. Perhaps there are individual cases where significant circumstances for the individual are at play to justify it. But generally I find it distasteful and wrong minded. I don't especially like the recent actions of either of our Presidents on this front.


One very respectable thing about you vs the other Trump leans on this board is that you are willing to admit when you are wrong.

Thank you.

Huge difference to pardon Trump's enemies because they've been wrongfully threatened by Trump to make their lives hell simply out of his own personal desire for retribution and Trump pardoning his Coup d'Etat surrogates.

Are you able to understand the difference?
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In reply to BearGoggles • 6:45p, 1/23/25
BearGoggles said:
chazzed said:
BearGoggles said:
philly1121 said:
Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.
I know you are but what am I? I mean seriously, this is how broken you are.

I'm not crying. I'm celebrating the end of the Biden presidency. How are you doing today? LOL


So you celebrate when one president you can't stand is replaced by another president you can't stand? Weird.
Neither Biden nor Trump is an admirable person or my preferred choice for president. The difference is Biden's policies are (in my opinion) horrific and he's literally mentally and physically unfit for the job. Trump's policies are much better in my view (thought not perfect) and objectively more mainstream according to all reliable polling.

So yes, I celebrate the departure of a horrible, incapacitated and corrupt President and his replacement by someone who is not quite as bad.

Trump trying to change the Constitution in order to carry out part of his agenda is more mainstream? Tariffs are a more mainstream policy? Pardoning felons who beat up police officers on national TV in broad daylight is more mainstream? That is fascinating polling.

Anyway, I look forward to revisiting this matter in a couple of years. Since Trump's policies are so sound, you should have a field day at that point.
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In reply to chazzed • 6:50p, 1/23/25
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In reply to chazzed • 7:18p, 1/23/25
chazzed said:
BearGoggles said:
chazzed said:
BearGoggles said:
philly1121 said:
Maybe. But it's still awesome to see you cry about it.
I know you are but what am I? I mean seriously, this is how broken you are.

I'm not crying. I'm celebrating the end of the Biden presidency. How are you doing today? LOL


So you celebrate when one president you can't stand is replaced by another president you can't stand? Weird.
Neither Biden nor Trump is an admirable person or my preferred choice for president. The difference is Biden's policies are (in my opinion) horrific and he's literally mentally and physically unfit for the job. Trump's policies are much better in my view (thought not perfect) and objectively more mainstream according to all reliable polling.

So yes, I celebrate the departure of a horrible, incapacitated and corrupt President and his replacement by someone who is not quite as bad.

Trump trying to change the Constitution in order to carry out part of his agenda is more mainstream? Tariffs are a more mainstream policy? Pardoning felons who beat up police officers on national TV in broad daylight is more mainstream? That is fascinating polling.

Anyway, I look forward to revisiting this matter in a couple of years. Since Trump's policies are so sound, you should have a field day at that point.


Biden didn't have to pardon Antifa beating up police officers because his DOJ hardly prosecuted them.
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In reply to oski003 • 8:13p, 1/23/25
BearGoggles wrote:

"So yes, I celebrate the departure of a horrible, incapacitated and corrupt President and his replacement by someone who is not quite as bad."


So Trump is not as corrupt as Biden?



President Trump's legacy of corruption, four years and 3,700 conflicts of interest later - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington


https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-legacy-corruption-3700-conflicts-interest/

President Trump's worst offenses - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington


https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/analysis/president-trumps-worst-offenses/

Donald Trump's history of corruption: a comprehensive review | Vox


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/28/12904136/donald-trump-corrupt

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In reply to bearister • 9:40a, 1/24/25
I think there is one core belief that ALL CONSERVATIVES cherish above all others:

IOIYAR.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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10:35a, 1/24/25

What a time to be alive!
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In reply to bear2034 • 10:54a, 1/24/25
bear2034 said:

What a time to be alive!

Let's hope the lynching is public and televised!

Give the deplorables what they want and voted for: bread and circuses.
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In reply to bear2034 • 10:56a, 1/24/25
bear2034 said:

What a time to be alive!
It's pretty sad when you get your jollies from the vindictiveness and acts of retribution of others. I'm not saying because of Fauci, just noting a frequent and repeating trend of your posting.
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In reply to AunBear89 • 10:57a, 1/24/25
Fauci can pay for his own security. Records show that since 2022, taxpayers have spent $15M on Fauci's U.S. Marshals security detail.
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:06p, 1/24/25
bear2034 said:
Fauci can pay for his own security. Records show that since 2022, taxpayers have spent $15M on Fauci's U.S. Marshals security detail.

Maybe you should stalk him, smart phone ready, so you can catch the extrajudicial execution and post it on Truth Social! You'll be a hero of the new republic and the envy of all the BI MAGA!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to BearGoggles • 10:45p, 1/27/25
BearGoggles said:
tequila4kapp said:
Today's pardons are disgusting, hypocrisy at its highest. Biden goes down as the worst President ever, IMO.
Not just disgusting, but cowardly. If he was going to grant the pardons, he owes it to the public to explain his action and actually take questions to explain his rationale.

The interesting thing is that with the pardons, the "pardonees" can no longer plead the fifth and/or decline to testify if subpoenaed. This arguably helps the republican investigations. And if they lie to the FBI, perjure themselves, or otherwise obstruct the investigations, they will be subject to new charges.

Like you said, it was a strategic mistake for Biden to pardon those that he did. They can no longer plead the 5th and Biden can't un-pardon someone he already pardoned.
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In reply to bearister • 1:52p, 1/31/25
bearister said:
So Trump is not as corrupt as Biden?

Biden came into office claiming Hunter's laptop didn't exist.

He left office giving him a pardon for everything that was on it.
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10:39p, 2/2/25
Let's not forget that Democratic congressman, little Jamie Raskin, was also pardoned by Joe Biden for being a member of the J6 select committee
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11:32a, 2/3/25

Good timing, Jamie. Here's a pardoned politician protesting outside the USAID building who wants your stolen tax dollars.
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