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In reply to sycasey • 12:48p, 4/9/25
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Take the win?
What win?
He looks like the utter fool that he is!
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In reply to concordtom • 12:51p, 4/9/25
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chazzed said:



He apparently proclaimed that all the countries came running to cut a deal with him?

I bet they are thinking "horsehit"!!!
Did you read the actual decision he made? He paused increases in countries that didn't retaliate / want to make a deal for 90 days. Isn't it obvious he's giving these "good actors" a 90 day window to cut a deal?
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:51p, 4/9/25
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Trump flinched, couldn't stand firm. Thank goodness.
Not exactly. Trump juxtaposed treatment of those who didn't retaliate / asked to make a deal vs treatment China. There are reports of a potential trading block to isolate China. Macron / EU supposedly commenting about not letting China dump their cheap products in their markets. TBD.


So we will have, globally, expensive markets and inexpensive markets.

The expensive markets will say "we'd rather pay more". That's an odd strategy towards wealth.

China doesn't need Europe and North America. The fastest growing nations are in Africa. Belt and road. Play the long game.
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12:56p, 4/9/25
Tesla is up 22%. The resentment and anger you losers live with and express on a daily basis must be eating you all up inside…
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12:58p, 4/9/25
The insider trading gains must be the most beautiful insider trading gains in the history of beautiful insider trading gains.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 1:14p, 4/9/25
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Trump flinched, couldn't stand firm. Thank goodness.
Not exactly. Trump juxtaposed treatment of those who didn't retaliate / asked to make a deal vs treatment China. There are reports of a potential trading block to isolate China. Macron / EU supposedly commenting about not letting China dump their cheap products in their markets. TBD.

You still don't get what just happened here.

The yield on the 10-year backed up to 4.50% even with all of the carnage in the stock market.

Jamie Dimon (and everyone else with a brain) saw this and went on TV to say that you're heading into a Recession and there's nothing you can do about it. Scott Bessent knows full well that something was about to "break". He used to be a partner with Soros in the Quantum Fund in the 90's. He's not stupid.

Trump just happened to be watching Dimon on TV without having idiots like Lutnick and Navarro in the room.
Their stock has gone down the tubes and they're probably going to be FIRED.
That will be Elon's parting shot. Like Bannon getting forced out.

Bessent's stock went up.
Thank God for Jamie Dimon.

Trump caved.
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In reply to bearister • 1:20p, 4/9/25
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The insider trading gains must be the most beautiful insider trading gains in the history of beautiful insider trading gains.

The "tip-off" was how remarkably well the $39 Billion Dollar auction of 10-year Treasuries went at 10AM PST.

Someone "knew".
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In reply to CNHTH • 1:36p, 4/9/25
CNHTH said:
Hey look markets are down 2.5 percent pre market and my Ira lost 26k in the last 24 hours.
Great job republicans.
Helluvah job ya'll did owning the libs.

Too bad you sold. You missed today's incredible rally.
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3:27p, 4/9/25
Bingo!


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3:29p, 4/9/25
How's our resident stock tip experts today?
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In reply to bearister • 3:38p, 4/9/25
bearister said:
The insider trading gains must be the most beautiful insider trading gains in the history of beautiful insider trading gains.


No doubt.
And nobody will be monitoring any insider trading. They've all been:

Fired
Paid off
Insider-trading themselves
Scared off
Resigned

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3:42p, 4/9/25
S&P up 9.5 on the day. An irrational emotional reaction to a 90 day pause on tariffs.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:16p, 4/9/25
DiabloWags said:
tequila4kapp said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Trump flinched, couldn't stand firm. Thank goodness.
Not exactly. Trump juxtaposed treatment of those who didn't retaliate / asked to make a deal vs treatment China. There are reports of a potential trading block to isolate China. Macron / EU supposedly commenting about not letting China dump their cheap products in their markets. TBD.

You still don't get what just happened here.

The yield on the 10-year backed up to 4.50% even with all of the carnage in the stock market.

Jamie Dimon (and everyone else with a brain) saw this and went on TV to say that you're heading into a Recession and there's nothing you can do about it. Scott Bessent knows full well that something was about to "break". He used to be a partner with Soros in the Quantum Fund in the 90's. He's not stupid.

Trump just happened to be watching Dimon on TV without having idiots like Lutnick and Navarro in the room.
Their stock has gone down the tubes and they're probably going to be FIRED.
That will be Elon's parting shot. Like Bannon getting forced out.

Bessent's stock went up.
Thank God for Jamie Dimon.

Trump caved.


Idiotic morons: These tariffs will cause a recession. Trump is a jerk bully who should have a book called 'The Art of the No Deal." I hope Trump voters lose their jobs.

Also idiotic morons: Trump delayed the Tariffs 90 days to those who didn't impose retaliatory Tarriffs. He caved.

Also idiotic morons: any peace deal with Russia that recognizes their territorial gains is caving to Russia.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:23p, 4/9/25
DiabloWags said:

Trump caved.

'Trump Caves Again!" is the headline.

Now, for you Cal traders and prognosticators, here's the question:

Is this a sustainable "bottom" of the first Trump Bear Market, a tradable bounce, or a great opportunity to "short" the next leg down?

Personally, I was wrong here when I thought Trump had painted himself into a "never concede" corner where he had no option but to stay the course. I've finally learned my lesson, because Trump never concedes anything when he has to reverse course and cave.

On the contrary, in his world of "alternative facts," he declares victory!
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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:29p, 4/9/25
DiabloWags said:

Trump caved.
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In reply to OsoDorado • 4:38p, 4/9/25
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'Trump Caves Again!" is the headline.

Now, for you Cal traders and prognosticators, here's the question:

Is this a sustainable "bottom" of the first Trump Bear Market, a tradable bounce, or a great opportunity to "short" the next leg down?

Personally, I was wrong here when I thought Trump had painted himself into a "never concede" corner where he had no option but to stay the course. I've finally learned my lesson, because Trump never concedes anything when he has to reverse course and cave.

Trump didn't cave but the CCP might. The Art of the Deal.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:43p, 4/9/25
DiabloWags said:
harebear said:

Yup, as I posted yesterday.
Yields on the 10 years are surging.
Currently 4.435

The Fed is literally trapped in a "box" given these inflationary tariffs.

There won't be any rate cuts.
Neel Kashkari said as much this morning.


Yeah, I was just trying to post about the bond sell-off, I didn't know who this Peter Schiff guy was and don't agree about cutting rates. I believe one of Noah Smith's concerns before Trump returned to office was that he would insist on cutting rates no matter what and that would contribute to hyperinflation.
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In reply to harebear • 4:52p, 4/9/25
harebear said:
DiabloWags said:
harebear said:

Yup, as I posted yesterday.
Yields on the 10 years are surging.
Currently 4.435

The Fed is literally trapped in a "box" given these inflationary tariffs.

There won't be any rate cuts.
Neel Kashkari said as much this morning.


Yeah, I was just trying to post about the bond sell-off, I didn't know who this Peter Schiff guy was and don't agree about cutting rates. I believe one of Noah Smith's concerns before Trump returned to office was that he would insist on cutting rates no matter what and that would contribute to hyperinflation.
My understanding is that if even these relatively lesser tariffs stay in place there will still be inflation.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:56p, 4/9/25
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:01p, 4/9/25
bear2034 said:
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 5:08p, 4/9/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bear2034 said:
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
Seems like they got their marching orders. Anyway, the dates here should show you why you shouldn't get too excited right now:

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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 5:11p, 4/9/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:


35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
If you can't embrace the volatility in the short term with a long term mindset, you might as well diversify into other lower risk assets.
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In reply to OsoDorado • 5:55p, 4/9/25
OsoDorado said:
DiabloWags said:

Trump caved.

'Trump Caves Again!" is the headline.

Now, for you Cal traders and prognosticators, here's the question:

Is this a sustainable "bottom" of the first Trump Bear Market, a tradable bounce, or a great opportunity to "short" the next leg down?

Personally, I was wrong here when I thought Trump had painted himself into a "never concede" corner where he had no option but to stay the course. I've finally learned my lesson, because Trump never concedes anything when he has to reverse course and cave.

On the contrary, in his world of "alternative facts," he declares victory!


I think that the take away for me here is that the presumed trust in the USA, and thus our global leadership position, stature, has taken on some additional arrows - such that in the long run our overall economic strength is weakened. This could result in marginally higher interest rates, factories not built here.

Investors like stability, and Trump is a wild card - an extortionist Wild card at that.
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In reply to bearister • 5:57p, 4/9/25
bearister said:
The insider trading gains must be the most beautiful insider trading gains in the history of beautiful insider trading gains.


Schiff Wants Tariff-Pause Investigation Over Insider Trading | TIME


https://time.com/7276234/trump-tariff-insider-trading-schiff/

"Senator Adam Schiff on Wednesday called on Congress to investigate whether President Donald Trump engaged in insider trading or market manipulation when he abruptly paused a sweeping set of tariffs, a move that sent stock prices skyrocketing.

"I'm going to do my best to find out," Schiff, a California Democrat, tells TIME. "Family meme coins and all the rest of it are not beyond insider trading or enriching themselves. I hope to find out soon."


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In reply to harebear • 5:59p, 4/9/25
harebear said:
DiabloWags said:
harebear said:

Yup, as I posted yesterday.
Yields on the 10 years are surging.
Currently 4.435

The Fed is literally trapped in a "box" given these inflationary tariffs.

There won't be any rate cuts.
Neel Kashkari said as much this morning.


Yeah, I was just trying to post about the bond sell-off, I didn't know who this Peter Schiff guy was and don't agree about cutting rates. I believe one of Noah Smith's concerns before Trump returned to office was that he would insist on cutting rates no matter what and that would contribute to hyperinflation.


(Peter) Schiff was very prominently outspoken as a Bearish talking head during the 2008 meltdown. He and Nouriel Robini.
He was pretty good to listen to. But now he's all political and I'm definitely giving him two thumbs down.
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In reply to bearister • 6:03p, 4/9/25
Yup, that 10 year auction of $39 Billion went exceptionally well this morning. So well that the auction yield was 3 basis points below the market.

20 minutes after the results were announced at 1PM, Trump announced that he caved in and "paused" Liberation Day.

Too bad Adam Schiff has no subpoena power.
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In reply to sycasey • 6:08p, 4/9/25
sycasey said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bear2034 said:
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
Seems like they got their marching orders. Anyway, the dates here should show you why you shouldn't get too excited right now:



Weren't those first four dates were false highs.



Let's see 2008… yep, lower lows followed.




Then what… 1939?
2020?
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:10p, 4/9/25
"Too bad Adam Schiff has no subpoena power."

….but he has subpoena power over that mushy region between Trump's ears.
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In reply to concordtom • 6:27p, 4/9/25
concordtom said:
sycasey said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bear2034 said:
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
Seems like they got their marching orders. Anyway, the dates here should show you why you shouldn't get too excited right now:



Weren't those first four dates were false highs.

Precisely. One good day doesn't mean s***.
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In reply to bear2034 • 6:29p, 4/9/25
bear2034 said:
OsoDorado said:


'Trump Caves Again!" is the headline.

Now, for you Cal traders and prognosticators, here's the question:

Is this a sustainable "bottom" of the first Trump Bear Market, a tradable bounce, or a great opportunity to "short" the next leg down?

Personally, I was wrong here when I thought Trump had painted himself into a "never concede" corner where he had no option but to stay the course. I've finally learned my lesson, because Trump never concedes anything when he has to reverse course and cave.

Trump didn't cave but the CCP might. The Art of the Deal.

I'm guessing that that brown-noser Lutnick is going to find his 2025 to be far more personally lucrative than was his 2024.

Or, you know what would be really funny? If Trump didn't include him in his inner-circle of insider traders!
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In reply to sycasey • 6:33p, 4/9/25
sycasey said:
concordtom said:
sycasey said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bear2034 said:
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
Seems like they got their marching orders. Anyway, the dates here should show you why you shouldn't get too excited right now:



Weren't those first four dates were false highs.

Precisely. One good day doesn't mean s***.
Funny, One bad day meant the country was collapsing....
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In reply to Big C • 6:52p, 4/9/25
Big C said:

I'm guessing that that brown-noser Lutnick is going to find his 2025 to be far more personally lucrative than was his 2024.

Or, you know what would be really funny? If Trump didn't include him in his inner-circle of insider traders!


Notice who wasnt at the Press Conference announcing the "pause".

Lutnick and Navarro.

Thats quite telling.
Their stock is going down while Bessent's is going up.

My guess is that this is Elon at work.
He has Trump's ear more than anyone.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:57p, 4/9/25
DiabloWags said:


Notice who wasnt at the Press Conference announcing the "pause".

Lutnick and Navarro.

Thats quite telling.
Their stock is going down while Bessent's is going up.

My guess is that this is Elon at work.
He has Trump's ear more than anyone.
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In reply to Big C • 7:01p, 4/9/25
Big C said:

I'm guessing that that brown-noser Lutnick is going to find his 2025 to be far more personally lucrative than was his 2024.

Or, you know what would be really funny? If Trump didn't include him in his inner-circle of insider traders!

What's funny is the libs were upset the U.S. market went up today and will be ecstatic when the market goes down again.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 8:28p, 4/9/25
MinotStateBeav said:
sycasey said:
concordtom said:
sycasey said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bear2034 said:
DiabloWags said:
NEARLY $5 TRILLION DOLLARS GONE FROM THE S&P

I'm sure we'll go back and forth in the days ahead so there's no need to use ALL CAPS!
35 posts in the last 3 hours after none yesterday. Sure is a lot of irrational exuberance for an economy that's still down 6 trillion dollars in market cap.
Seems like they got their marching orders. Anyway, the dates here should show you why you shouldn't get too excited right now:



Weren't those first four dates were false highs.

Precisely. One good day doesn't mean s***.
Funny, One bad day meant the country was collapsing....
Just watch the long-term trend.
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