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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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Talk about racial "profiling"

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I didn't say a word about race. I said a group of people at particular types of locations that are frequented by contractors at particular times of day. The people would be loitering together and having random one off interactions with contractors.

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Maybe not but it was still racist. Not something to be proud of. Probable cause is defined as:

"Probable cause means there is a reasonable belief, based on specific facts, that a crime has been committed or is being committed."

MAGAts need to learn constitutional law

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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A Terry Stop just requires a reasonable suspicion that a crime is involved in criminal activity. This can develop into probable cause. Learn the law please.

sycasey said:

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DOGE!

WASHINGTON (AP) - Pentagon says deploying Marines and National Guard to protests in Los Angeles will cost $134 million.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 10, 2025

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Expensive day at the Home Depot. If it was me I'd have just sent a guy in a van and picked up a half dozen Mexicans, driven them to ICE and called it a day. Probably looking at a couple of hundred bucks

Anarchistbear said:

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sycasey said:

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DOGE!

WASHINGTON (AP) - Pentagon says deploying Marines and National Guard to protests in Los Angeles will cost $134 million.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 10, 2025

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Expensive day at the Home Depot. If it was me I'd have just sent a guy in a van and picked up a half dozen Mexicans, driven them to ICE and called it a day. Probably looking at a couple of hundred bucks

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That's illegal.

tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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Talk about racial "profiling"

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I didn't say a word about race. I said a group of people at particular types of locations that are frequented by contractors at particular times of day. The people would be loitering together and having random one off interactions with contractors.

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Yeah.
I know what you said.

bearister said:

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"…..or just try and get along."

Bill Maher has convinced me that my major failing is not trying to understand those people that voted for Trump and totally agree with him mobilizing the Guard and the Marines against an American city and calling for the arrest of the governor.

I am sure that they are really good, kind, discerning. intelligent people that know what is best for the country and for me, every member of my family, relatives and friends.

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The difference is …
It's one thing to disagree with people because of policy differences.
It's another to disagree with them because they look different, speak a different language, or come from somewhere else.

Tequila will say "but they are ILLEGAL!"
But it goes far beyond who holds a piece of paper and who doesn't. We've always known that.

In George Orwell's dystopian novel 1984, Winston Smith, the protagonist, does indeed come to love Big Brother by the end of the story.

I now love Trump.

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About time. Anyone watching these idiots on the streets? So many are not peaceful protesters - they are showing up with padding, helmets, goggles, masks, backpacks with who knows what - they are anarchists taking advantage of the chaos. Last night it was basically just looting, not protesting. Enough is enough. I'm all for peaceful protests and those are absolutely welcome and needed in our society. What many of these morons are doing is not that and they should be arrested as domestic terrorists.

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When Trump does his Trump thing, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Now we're seeing the Antifa types -- bored young men looking for a little action -- come out of the woodwork.

But that's Trump for you. Any publicity is good publicity. Any time this or transgender issues are the lead news story, that's keeping people from maybe seeing Trump using the Presidency to enrich himself.

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"bored young men looking for a little action" - that's how you would describe them? No, these are dangerous individuals with no regard for human life.

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Both descriptions can be true. I guess what I meant was that these are people who have no ideology or cause to speak of.

Hey, there can be major problems caused by bored young men looking for a little action. Believe me, I taught high school for 20 years. I was also a teenager myself.

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Democrats - let's do this popular thing
Republicans - no

Americans - both parties are too extreme

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An impossible problem that Democrats face the is fact that they pay the electoral penalty for actions by activists who openly hate Democrats, do note vote for and do not support Democrats, but whom the public still associates with Democrats anyway.

— Conor Rogers (@conorjrogers) June 9, 2025

No we need to open the borders for a night to allow all the mexicans and others to fill a stadium and give us some homefield advantage.

No problem (^) is "impossible". We just need to spend more money to learn how to talk to these people.

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My instincts tell me that polling is very accurate. D's are screwing up by aligning themselves with illegal aliens. Trump is screwing up by being his usual dumb ass provocative a-hole self. If the former could get real about immigration enforcement they'd win because people would appreciate treating immigrants humanely. If the latter could be as serious about enforcing the law in a more humane way he'd win. Neither of them can quite being who they are.

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Any Republican who has the balls to do what Trump is doing will be portrayed by the left as a "provocative a-hole."

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There are going to be assertions on both ends about this, so let's look at the first actual attempt to poll the issue. Truth is:

1. Protests unpopular.
2. Trump response also unpopular.

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YouGov also had Kamala Harris beating Trump by 3 points and winning the popular vote in the last election. It's like a Reddit poll, absolutely meaningless.

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Tequila will say "but they are ILLEGAL!"
But it goes far beyond who holds a piece of paper and who doesn't. We've always known that.

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First I would say they are illegal AND criminals.
Then I would say they are illegal.
Then I would say for the vast overwhelming majority of Americans - who are good decent people - it's about law and order, absolutely not skin color.

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The vast majority on the streets are peaceful protesters. There are some criminal vandals, looters, thieves, arsonists. State and local crimes.

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Thank goodness the looting has been mostly peaceful as well.

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concordtom said:

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Tequila will say "but they are ILLEGAL!"
But it goes far beyond who holds a piece of paper and who doesn't. We've always known that.

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First I would say they are illegal AND criminals.
Then I would say they are illegal.
Then I would say for the vast overwhelming majority of Americans - who are good decent people - it's about law and order, absolutely not skin color.

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Do you not realize that simply being in this country without documentation is not a crime?

Being in the United States without documentation is considered a civil matter.

How do you not know this?

Arizona v the United States

April 23, 2010

Arizona v. United States | Oyez

What you MAGA chuds don't understand is you can't expect these young scholars to not loot, set fires and destroy federal buildings when you're all having your nazi officers deporting criminals. These criminals have families. Nobody is thinking of their starving children. These kids have to rob apple stores to buy bread. It's basically Trump's fault. If he would just ignore the issue we could peacefully go about having an alternate economy like we have done for decades. That was totally a healthy way to have a country. CHUDS!

4 arrested in CONCORD Tom.

ICE clashes with protestors in Concord, 4 arrested at immigration court | KRON4

Thoughts and prayers for concordtom.

See my post about 3 pages back to see the criminal histories for 12 of the 44 LA detainees. As I'm sure you are aware criminal activity makes people deportable:
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-that-will-make-immigrant-deportable.html#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20reason%20for,listed%20within%20U.S.%20law%20as

Also, the fact some immigration matters are civil does not preclude detentions (arrests). That's the step before deportation. Detention does not equate to criminal prosecution.

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I think nearly everyone agrees, legal migration is needed and welcome.

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I'm not sure that's true anymore. I think large segments of the right wing who are ascendant right now (the Stephen Miller types) want no immigration at all and see this all as a means to that end.

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We all run in particular circles, which makes it anecdotal. But I have never heard - not once - an every day conservative person express that type of opinion. If anything I've heard very uncomfortable for me talk (bordering on racism) about not wanting to lose their cheap gardeners type talk.

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I'm guessing your social circle is not filled with the Stephen Miller types.

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Will second the anecdote from tequila4kapp. In my circle which includes liberals and conservatives across the spectrum, everyone agrees legal immigration is beneficial and needed. Surprisingly, even my most super liberal friends agree that illegal immigration needs to be addressed. It's about the only thing they agree with this administration on!

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You do realize that the majority of labor in the kitchen of a restaurant in the Bay Area is undocumented right?

And those people are paying social security that they'll never ever see.

So what's your solution?

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I grew up in Southern California. I worked part-time in the garment industry growing up - of course I know how important illegal immigrants are to our economy. That's a given.

As for a solution, the three main pillars are the following: 1. Secure our borders to stem the flow of illegal immigration, 2. Add resources and improve the efficiency of the legal process to seek entry/employment/citizenship (includes work visas, the bracero program, etc.) 3. Establish a process for those already here to establish citizenship. I realize it's easily said and difficult to implement, but if our politicians could stop being non-compromising blowhards then these broad initiatives could be implemented.

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Basically what President Biden tried to pass last year and Republicans blocked.

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Biden tried to pass a bill to secure our borders? There's a reason why you left this board during Biden's term.

BREAKING: Tonight, California Gov. Newsom will be addressing California and the nation LIVE at around 6:30pm PT regarding Trump's illegal militarization of LA and his broader assault on our democracy. Watch exclusively on the MeidasTouch channel.

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BREAKING: Tonight, California Gov. Newsom will be addressing California and the nation LIVE at around 6:30pm PT regarding Trump's illegal militarization of LA and his broader assault on our democracy. Watch exclusively on the MeidasTouch channel.

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Hopefully he comes out as being a massive failure, apologizes to the people of California and the nation and resigns his position while giving back all his ill gotten gains to help the suffering of the people.

Gavin and Trump will wind up doing a podcast together. I mean they both need each other now for ratings

Yeah, something like that.

As immigration raids continue, ICE protests spread coast to coast


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/anti-ice-protests-held-coast-coast-l-unrest-national-movement-grows-rcna211980

LA immigration protests LIVE: Curfew enacted in downtown LA as mass protests spread to New York, Denver and Chicago - The Mirror US


https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/la-immigration-protests-live-flash-1195445

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Basically what President Biden tried to pass last year and Republicans blocked.

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Biden tried to pass a bill to secure our borders? There's a reason why you left this board during Biden's term.

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There's a reason why many here have long held that you are NOT the sharpest "tool" in the shed.

Biden Signs Homeland Security Bill, Boosting Border Patrol and Fentanyl Countermeasures HS Today

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Thoughts and prayers for concordtom.

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Was one of the protestors a little guy with a weird mustache and hair drooping over his forehead?

DiabloWags said:

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bear2034 said:

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Basically what President Biden tried to pass last year and Republicans blocked.

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Biden tried to pass a bill to secure our borders? There's a reason why you left this board during Biden's term.

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There's a reason why many here have long held that you are NOT the sharpest "tool" in the shed.

Biden Signs Homeland Security Bill, Boosting Border Patrol and Fentanyl Countermeasures HS Today

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Biden restricted your access to cheap fentanyl?

Again, you're just not the sharpest "tool" in the shed.
There's no way you attended CAL.

Within 48 hours of the release of a long-awaited immigration and foreign aid bill he had championed, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's Republican conference rejected his pitch to support it, knifed the deal and left it for dead.

Just four Republicans voted for it. In the end, even McConnell backtracked and voted against the package that he had helped develop.



Republicans kill border bill in a sign of Trump's strength and McConnell's waning influence

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Yeah, something like that.

As immigration raids continue, ICE protests spread coast to coast


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/anti-ice-protests-held-coast-coast-l-unrest-national-movement-grows-rcna211980

LA immigration protests LIVE: Curfew enacted in downtown LA as mass protests spread to New York, Denver and Chicago - The Mirror US


https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/la-immigration-protests-live-flash-1195445

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What's the point of having more laws? LA doesn't enforce the laws they already have. They know there is zero punishment for breaking laws, especially if being soft on that crime helps a political agenda. I mean the nation has immigration laws and California just ignores them and worse, assists in concealing the law breakers.

Cool story bro.
There have already been more than 200 arrests in LA.

DiabloWags said:

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Cool story bro.
There have already been more than 200 arrests in LA.

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WOW 200 arrests? How many will be in jail beyond 24 hours?

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DiabloWags said:

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Cool story bro.
There have already been more than 200 arrests in LA.

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WOW 200 arrests? How many will be in jail beyond 24 hours?

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You're funny.

You sure weren't concerned about the violence and 140 police officers assaulted on J6th.
Hypocrite much?

DiabloWags said:

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Cool story bro.
There have already been more than 200 arrests in LA.

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WOW 200 arrests? How many will be in jail beyond 24 hours?

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You're funny.

You sure weren't concerned about the violence and 140 police officers assaulted on J6th.
Hypocrite much?

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Jim, the deflectors are up! Fire one photon on the Lolcow Armada *pew*

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Yeah, something like that.

As immigration raids continue, ICE protests spread coast to coast


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/anti-ice-protests-held-coast-coast-l-unrest-national-movement-grows-rcna211980

LA immigration protests LIVE: Curfew enacted in downtown LA as mass protests spread to New York, Denver and Chicago - The Mirror US


https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/la-immigration-protests-live-flash-1195445

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What's the point of having more laws? LA doesn't enforce the laws they already have. They know there is zero punishment for breaking laws, especially if being soft on that crime helps a political agenda. I mean the nation has immigration laws and California just ignores them and worse, assists in concealing the law breakers.

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I think you just talked yourself into endorsing dictatorship. Why have laws?

You're one of those LAW & ORDER bros right?

Hypocrite much?