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The vast majority on the streets are peaceful protesters. There are some criminal vandals, looters, thieves, arsonists. State and local crimes.

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Yes, like I said, the peaceful protesters are great - wonderful use of our first amendment right. But there are more than "some" using unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of anarchy and/or the destruction of government property, personnel and operations - otherwise known as terrorism.

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You mean like the January 6th crowd that were called "patriots" by Trump and pardoned by him?

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Those that were destructive and violent on January 6th belong in jail right alongside those that were violent and destructive during the riots in 2020 in Minneapolis, New York, Seattle, Portland, etc. and these masked up idiots in Los Angeles now.

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I think nearly everyone agrees, legal migration is needed and welcome.

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I'm not sure that's true anymore. I think large segments of the right wing who are ascendant right now (the Stephen Miller types) want no immigration at all and see this all as a means to that end.

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We all run in particular circles, which makes it anecdotal. But I have never heard - not once - an every day conservative person express that type of opinion. If anything I've heard very uncomfortable for me talk (bordering on racism) about not wanting to lose their cheap gardeners type talk.

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I'm guessing your social circle is not filled with the Stephen Miller types.

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Will second the anecdote from tequila4kapp. In my circle which includes liberals and conservatives across the spectrum, everyone agrees legal immigration is beneficial and needed. Surprisingly, even my most super liberal friends agree that illegal immigration needs to be addressed. It's about the only thing they agree with this administration on!

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You do realize that the majority of labor in the kitchen of a restaurant in the Bay Area is undocumented right?

And those people are paying social security that they'll never ever see.

So what's your solution?

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I grew up in Southern California. I worked part-time in the garment industry growing up - of course I know how important illegal immigrants are to our economy. That's a given.

As for a solution, the three main pillars are the following: 1. Secure our borders to stem the flow of illegal immigration, 2. Add resources and improve the efficiency of the legal process to seek entry/employment/citizenship (includes work visas, the bracero program, etc.) 3. Establish a process for those already here to establish citizenship. I realize it's easily said and difficult to implement, but if our politicians could stop being non-compromising blowhards then these broad initiatives could be implemented.

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If 2 and 3 couldn't happen under Obama or Biden, they are definitely not happening under Trump.

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I don't think anything is going to happen under either the Democrats or Republicans - both parties have caved to their extremes.

Democrats - let's do this popular thing
Republicans - no

Americans - both parties are too extreme

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About time. Anyone watching these idiots on the streets? So many are not peaceful protesters - they are showing up with padding, helmets, goggles, masks, backpacks with who knows what - they are anarchists taking advantage of the chaos. Last night it was basically just looting, not protesting. Enough is enough. I'm all for peaceful protests and those are absolutely welcome and needed in our society. What many of these morons are doing is not that and they should be arrested as domestic terrorists.

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Terrorists - lol

Yes, the state and locals should arrest them. Many of them will be arrested.

The Feds should have nothing to do with it.

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Not terrorists then? How would you describe those individuals that participate dressed/equipped that way?

Per my friends in LAPD, over the last few days pallets of bricks have been left on sidewalks near downtown - obviously a coordinated effort is happening.

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The vast majority on the streets are peaceful protesters. There are some criminal vandals, looters, thieves, arsonists. State and local crimes.

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Yes, like I said, the peaceful protesters are great - wonderful use of our first amendment right. But there are more than "some" using unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of anarchy and/or the destruction of government property, personnel and operations - otherwise known as terrorism.

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I was in Manhattan on 9/11. You don't have a clue about terrorism.

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Just when I thought we were having a constructive dialogue. Agree to disagree here.

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Yapping is not constructive

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Democrats - let's do this popular thing
Republicans - no

Americans - both parties are too extreme

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Both parties clearly ain't shhhh

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- we didn't have 2 to 5 million a year coming illegally, that's insanity
- we had (and have) legal guest worker programs for agriculture
- we didn't have an Autopen Democrat administration rerouting FEMA monies to fly in illegals, and church groups to profit from resetting them
- we didn't have 80,000 - 100,000 people a year dying from cheap, powerful drugs, easily attainable bc of a collaboration between CCP China and Mexican drug cartels
- millions of illegal immigrants undercut the labor rate for African and Caucasian Americans, which means many decided not to marry
- example: illegal immigrants displaced and undercut union jobs in the meat packing plants in Iowa
- our Black neighbor, a roofer raising a family w four girls, lost one union job when a Mexican crew had their white foreman offer to roof the housing tract in Orange County for half the price
- we didn't have ERs flooded w illegal workers using the ER as their doctors office, nor did we have rampant hospital closings
- a friend worked at Head Start in the far East Bay, she said their students were 100% Latino, largely illegal
- we didn't have illegal workers displacing Black families in South Central LA, Oakland, The City and Richmond
- we didn't have over 50% of births in LA County in public hospitals to undocumented immigrants
- we didn't have countless social programs to tap into, many that cumulatively cost billions of dollars per year
- I heard two senior women on fixed incomes, one Latina, one White, say "I feel like I'm being pushed out from my city"

We assimilated many different immigrant groups in manageable numbers - Mexican Americans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc. - not tens of Millions, including hundreds of gangs, including child and human smuggling. Large barrios or even cities mean these immigrants aren't learning English, and explains our cratering proficiency scores.

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Your last point is important. Recently was speaking with a sixth grade teacher at an inner-city public school here n Los Angeles. This past semester they completed their proficiency tests and out of the 160 students she works with only ten were reading/writing at grade level. Ten. The vast majority were at a second/third grade level. That is a problem.

Another point - per my friends in the LAPD narcotics division, drugs and fentanyl supplies have been massively reduced thanks to a more secure border. It's a multi-billion dollar industry, so the cartels will likely find other ways in, but in the interim, it has been a welcome change.

I think nearly everyone agrees, legal migration is needed and welcome. Obviously what we are seeing now is trying to stem the flow, but I sincerely hope the parties come together with a plan to make the legal process more efficient. That should be the focus, not this stupid pissing contest we see day-in/day-out.

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The amount of gaslighting and reaching simultaneously is utterly astounding smh racist yapping x out right bold faced lies. Charlie Brown's teacher would be proud of you

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Believe it or not, California used to be a paradise.

Mass migration has brought us to where we are now.

— Stephen Miller (@StephenM) June 9, 2025

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Who here can tell me the time when California was not loaded with immigrants?

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Immigrants are not a problem. ILLEGAL immigrants is the issue.

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I mean . . . same question still stands. You think there was ever a time when immigrants weren't steadily arriving, legally or illegally?

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Illegal immigration became a thing when the borders were secured in the 1950s / 1960s preventing free migratory labor. The labor everybody wanted had to stay. Reagan gave them amnesty because big business wanted cheaper labor. Despite that, they became Democrats because Democrats treated them like people.

I'm for strong borders but it makes no sense to disrupt a peaceful community to chase down guys at Home Depot who want to work. That's stupid. And militarizing a community over it is un-American and unconstitutional.

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I go back to when Obama wanted to offer citizenship to the minors who GREW UP HERE AS IF AMERICANS, (Dreamers), and republicans gave em the fist and then invented Build The Wall, which is a non-solution.

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- we didn't have 2 to 5 million a year coming illegally, that's insanity
- we had (and have) legal guest worker programs for agriculture
- we didn't have an Autopen Democrat administration rerouting FEMA monies to fly in illegals, and church groups to profit from resetting them
- we didn't have 80,000 - 100,000 people a year dying from cheap, powerful drugs, easily attainable bc of a collaboration between CCP China and Mexican drug cartels
- millions of illegal immigrants undercut the labor rate for African and Caucasian Americans, which means many decided not to marry
- example: illegal immigrants displaced and undercut union jobs in the meat packing plants in Iowa
- our Black neighbor, a roofer raising a family w four girls, lost one union job when a Mexican crew had their white foreman offer to roof the housing tract in Orange County for half the price
- we didn't have ERs flooded w illegal workers using the ER as their doctors office, nor did we have rampant hospital closings
- a friend worked at Head Start in the far East Bay, she said their students were 100% Latino, largely illegal
- we didn't have illegal workers displacing Black families in South Central LA, Oakland, The City and Richmond
- we didn't have over 50% of births in LA County in public hospitals to undocumented immigrants
- we didn't have countless social programs to tap into, many that cumulatively cost billions of dollars per year
- I heard two senior women on fixed incomes, one Latina, one White, say "I feel like I'm being pushed out from my city"

We assimilated many different immigrant groups in manageable numbers - Mexican Americans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc. - not tens of Millions, including hundreds of gangs, including child and human smuggling. Large barrios or even cities mean these immigrants aren't learning English, and explains our cratering proficiency scores.

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The amount of yapping… sock puppet you have no grounds you need to shush

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Wall Street Journal (that leftist rag) reporting that the Trump Admin (Miller specifically) was giving unofficial orders for ICE to do random sweeps. Not targeted at specific known criminals at all. This is why there were protests.

They aren't writing anything down to avoid incriminating themselves. https://t.co/mhBN9MJEOT pic.twitter.com/RvrzGdROmw

— David J. Bier (@David_J_Bier) June 10, 2025

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That sounds like sweeping areas where people gather for under the table day work. IMO those are valid targets because the people who gather are almost universally illegals.

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I was in Manhattan on 9/11. You don't have a clue about terrorism.

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I was in #4 WTC for the first terrorist act on February 26th, 1993.
I always knew that they would come back.

It was surreal.

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Californians don't make distinctions between illegal and legal. They are all part of the fabric here, tolerated and accepted as construction workers, cooks, etc.

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Untrue generalization.

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Taco Fell

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Not far enough. Hardly.

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Wall Street Journal (that leftist rag) reporting that the Trump Admin (Miller specifically) was giving unofficial orders for ICE to do random sweeps. Not targeted at specific known criminals at all. This is why there were protests.

They aren't writing anything down to avoid incriminating themselves. https://t.co/mhBN9MJEOT pic.twitter.com/RvrzGdROmw

— David J. Bier (@David_J_Bier) June 10, 2025

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That sounds like sweeping areas where people gather for under the table day work. IMO those are valid targets because the people who gather are almost universally illegals.

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How do you know who is illegal and who isn't unless you have done some pre-work? Or are you endorsing "round 'em up and sort it out later" as a law-enforcement tactic?

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Looks like he was 2 years in China with two teams, then in NZ, now back in China.

Super nice guy. A gentle giant.
I hope he makes some money and enjoys the global experiences.

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Californians don't make distinctions between illegal and legal. They are all part of the fabric here, tolerated and accepted as construction workers, cooks, etc.

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Yup, and that's because it has always been like this. The flow of immigrants from the southern border with Mexico and across the sea from Asia has never really stopped. Stephen Miller is imagining a past that never existed.

I know my own grandfather came from China in the 40s and was . . . not strictly legal when he came. He eventually became a citizen, of course. I think others should be afforded the same chance.

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My strong feelings on this topic are born out of personal family history too.

My grandfather immigrated here legally from Portugal in the late 30s. He was uneducated and spoke heavily broken English until his death. If he could do it anyone could.

My functionally illiterate father lost his good paying Union construction job when the company broke the Union and replaced them with Mexicans. (Not politically correct to say it that way today but it's the truth). It is not unreasonable to presume some/many/most of those were illegals.

When I was in high school in So Cal you could go to known spots and compete with illegals for under the table day work.

So yes, it has existed for a long time. But that doesn't make it right. Also, the scale is different today. And Ds are now giving illegals benefits that the rest of us pay for (see CA Medicaid). It is wrong.

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Perhaps if you elected to grant citizenship to people who were raised here, educated here, work here, served in our military, then you'd find a willingness to negotiate on things you want in it all.

But your side is full of A Holes with no heart.


Re your agita about Medicare…. Illegals produce a lot to the economy (or in taxes) that they don't get back in return. These noncitizenship rules go both ways. Don't just focus on one side.

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(Sorry if this is a booth.)

BREAKING: In shocking footage of Trump in 2020 that is now going viral, Trump says it’s against the law for a president to call in the National Guard on his own: “We can't call in the National Guard unless we're requested by a governor.” MAGA = 🤡.

pic.twitter.com/cxYMfYEqay

— CALL TO ACTIVISM (@CalltoActivism) June 9, 2025

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Sure.
So he thought twice and called in the Marines.

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Californians don't make distinctions between illegal and legal. They are all part of the fabric here, tolerated and accepted as construction workers, cooks, etc.

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Yup, and that's because it has always been like this. The flow of immigrants from the southern border with Mexico and across the sea from Asia has never really stopped. Stephen Miller is imagining a past that never existed.

I know my own grandfather came from China in the 40s and was . . . not strictly legal when he came. He eventually became a citizen, of course. I think others should be afforded the same chance.

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My strong feelings on this topic are born out of personal family history too.

My grandfather immigrated here legally from Portugal in the late 30s. He was uneducated and spoke heavily broken English until his death. If he could do it anyone could.

My functionally illiterate father lost his good paying Union construction job when the company broke the Union and replaced them with Mexicans. (Not politically correct to say it that way today but it's the truth). It is not unreasonable to presume some/many/most of those were illegals.

When I was in high school in So Cal you could go to known spots and compete with illegals for under the table day work.

So yes, it has existed for a long time. But that doesn't make it right. Also, the scale is different today. And Ds are now giving illegals benefits that the rest of us pay for (see CA Medicaid). It is wrong.

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The Reagan Republicans wanted cheaper labor so they opened the door for immigration and gave them amnesty and your Dad lost his job.

Then the idea came, "can we get the cheap labor without browning up America?" That's how NAFTA was born - with most of the yes votes coming from Republicans (75% of Republicans in the House voted yes).

But the job pull is too strong as rich, white Americans want great landscaping and cabinetry. And their kids won't do that stuff anymore because college and/or drugs are too much fun.

This is all just a history - none of it is a reason to put the US military on the streets no matter what you think of this history.

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Re your agita about Medicare…. Illegals produce a lot to the economy (or in taxes) that they don't get back in return. These non-citizenship rules go both ways. Don't just focus on one side.

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Exactly Tom.

You would have to be incredibly simple-minded to not even comprehend the sales tax revenue generated by undocumented workers; never mind the jobs that "white" America won't ever be caught dead doing.

On another note, I know of a guy whose been working in the kitchen of a local restaurant for the last 20 years as the Kitchen Manager that is "undocumented" and has been paying into social security every two weeks ($230) based on a $48,000 salary and he'll never ever see that money.

I'll see it.
But he won't.

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The Reagan Republicans wanted cheaper labor so they opened the door for immigration and gave them amnesty and your Dad lost his job.

Then the idea came, "can we get the cheap labor without browning up America?" That's how NAFTA was born - with most of the yes votes coming from Republicans (75% of Republicans in the House voted yes).

But the job pull is too strong as rich, white Americans want great landscaping and cabinetry. And their kids won't do that stuff anymore because college and/or drugs are too much fun.

This is all just a history - none of it is a reason to put the US military on the streets no matter what you think of this history.

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You are correct.
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How do you know who is illegal and who isn't unless you have done some pre-work? Or are you endorsing "round 'em up and sort it out later" as a law-enforcement tactic?

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If you have ever seen these arrangements you would understand.

Imagine you are at Hollywood and Vine on a Friday night and I see a group of 20 scantily clad women intermittently walking up to cars and sometimes a women leaves in one of those cars...you've got enough data to know what you are looking at.

It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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Talk about racial "profiling"

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How do you know who is illegal and who isn't unless you have done some pre-work? Or are you endorsing "round 'em up and sort it out later" as a law-enforcement tactic?

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If you have ever seen these arrangements you would understand.

Imagine you are at Hollywood and Vine on a Friday night and I see a group of 20 scantily clad women intermittently walking up to cars and sometimes a women leaves in one of those cars...you've got enough data to know what you are looking at.

It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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I know what it looks like. Still think it's pretty dicey.

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About time. Anyone watching these idiots on the streets? So many are not peaceful protesters - they are showing up with padding, helmets, goggles, masks, backpacks with who knows what - they are anarchists taking advantage of the chaos. Last night it was basically just looting, not protesting. Enough is enough. I'm all for peaceful protests and those are absolutely welcome and needed in our society. What many of these morons are doing is not that and they should be arrested as domestic terrorists.

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When Trump does his Trump thing, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Now we're seeing the Antifa types -- bored young men looking for a little action -- come out of the woodwork.

But that's Trump for you. Any publicity is good publicity. Any time this or transgender issues are the lead news story, that's keeping people from maybe seeing Trump using the Presidency to enrich himself.

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It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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Talk about racial "profiling"

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I didn't say a word about race. I said a group of people at particular types of locations that are frequented by contractors at particular times of day. The people would be loitering together and having random one off interactions with contractors.

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About time. Anyone watching these idiots on the streets? So many are not peaceful protesters - they are showing up with padding, helmets, goggles, masks, backpacks with who knows what - they are anarchists taking advantage of the chaos. Last night it was basically just looting, not protesting. Enough is enough. I'm all for peaceful protests and those are absolutely welcome and needed in our society. What many of these morons are doing is not that and they should be arrested as domestic terrorists.

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When Trump does his Trump thing, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Now we're seeing the Antifa types -- bored young men looking for a little action -- come out of the woodwork.

But that's Trump for you. Any publicity is good publicity. Any time this or transgender issues are the lead news story, that's keeping people from maybe seeing Trump using the Presidency to enrich himself.

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"bored young men looking for a little action" - that's how you would describe them? No, these are dangerous individuals with no regard for human life.

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It is the same sort of deal. You have groups of people gathered outside of known locations. Usually Home Depots or Lowes, sometimes convenience stores. Usually very early in the morning to coincide with the start of a work day. They approach / are approach by contractors, then leave with the contractors. That's enough probable cause for me to justify a sweep.

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Talk about racial "profiling"

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I didn't say a word about race. I said a group of people at particular types of locations that are frequented by contractors at particular times of day. The people would be loitering together and having random one off interactions with contractors.

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Maybe not but it was still racist. Not something to be proud of. Probable cause is defined as:

"Probable cause means there is a reasonable belief, based on specific facts, that a crime has been committed or is being committed."

MAGAts need to learn constitutional law

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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About time. Anyone watching these idiots on the streets? So many are not peaceful protesters - they are showing up with padding, helmets, goggles, masks, backpacks with who knows what - they are anarchists taking advantage of the chaos. Last night it was basically just looting, not protesting. Enough is enough. I'm all for peaceful protests and those are absolutely welcome and needed in our society. What many of these morons are doing is not that and they should be arrested as domestic terrorists.

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When Trump does his Trump thing, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Now we're seeing the Antifa types -- bored young men looking for a little action -- come out of the woodwork.

But that's Trump for you. Any publicity is good publicity. Any time this or transgender issues are the lead news story, that's keeping people from maybe seeing Trump using the Presidency to enrich himself.

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"bored young men looking for a little action" - that's how you would describe them? No, these are dangerous individuals with no regard for human life.

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Yes, let's lock up the thug MAGAt young proud boys causing the problems

Where were you when C'Ville was going down?

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

This is pretty awesome from Newsom

https://bsky.app/profile/pauleric70.bsky.social/post/3lrbp3cajjk2f

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About time. Anyone watching these idiots on the streets? So many are not peaceful protesters - they are showing up with padding, helmets, goggles, masks, backpacks with who knows what - they are anarchists taking advantage of the chaos. Last night it was basically just looting, not protesting. Enough is enough. I'm all for peaceful protests and those are absolutely welcome and needed in our society. What many of these morons are doing is not that and they should be arrested as domestic terrorists.

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When Trump does his Trump thing, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Now we're seeing the Antifa types -- bored young men looking for a little action -- come out of the woodwork.

But that's Trump for you. Any publicity is good publicity. Any time this or transgender issues are the lead news story, that's keeping people from maybe seeing Trump using the Presidency to enrich himself.

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Mostly right. Trump does TV great and this is good TV as is the *****y sniping back and forth with Gavin. Even the protestors have their share of theater kids lighting Waymos on fire. But it's getting old so time to close the show down and declare LA safe

When does the Invasion of San Francisco begin?

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We all run in particular circles, which makes it anecdotal. But I have never heard - not once - an every day conservative person express that type of opinion. If anything I've heard very uncomfortable for me talk (bordering on racism) about not wanting to lose their cheap gardeners type talk.

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Will second the anecdote from tequila4kapp. In my circle which includes liberals and conservatives across the spectrum, everyone agrees legal immigration is beneficial and needed. Surprisingly, even my most super liberal friends agree that illegal immigration needs to be addressed. It's about the only thing they agree with this administration on!

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You do realize that the majority of labor in the kitchen of a restaurant in the Bay Area is undocumented right?

And those people are paying social security that they'll never ever see.

So what's your solution?

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I imagine that's a huge exaggeration as to the first point.
As to the second, absolutely!!!!

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In the 2020 census, U.S. population growth was 7.4% The only time it was ever recorded to be lower was 1940 - amidst the Great Depression decade when it was 7.3%. Since 2020, the U.S. population is estimated to have grown 4.7%.

People try so hard to not say what they mean. What they mean is they don't like all the non-white people around.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/popchange-data-text.html
https://populationtoday.com/us-united-states/

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This is happening globally.
People should understand that. And if someone feels like, "oh my gosh, everything is changing so fast. I can't take it anymore!" then they should at least be comforted in knowing that they are not alone.

It helps to understand the bigger picture, and to understand one's own humanity.

And then they should stop and ask themselves if they really want to go down in flames or just try and get along.

I know a lot of people want to fight to the last breath. They will wreck themselves, their country, and the future earth.

We've known Trump is on the side of destroying everything, and this is why we compare him to Hitler.

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Yeah I don't want any immigration for 5 years. Then ramping it up 50,000 per year. The US has grown way to fast that nothing has a chance to catch up. If we have a labor shortage in ag for example we can do temporary visas. H1B visas and the like should not exist at all. Companies that want to be in the US need to use US labor. That means training when needed.

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Easier said than done.

Are you aware that there already is a labor shortage in the U.S. manufacturing sector?

Deloitte says that manufacturers could need as many as 3.8 million new workers by 2033.
Roughly 1.9 million of those could go unfilled if current gaps remain unsolved.

What is the Trump Administration doing to remedy this?
Besides waving a magic "fantasy" wand?

Manufacturing could be short 1.9M workers if the talent gap isn't fixed | Manufacturing Dive

Understanding America's Labor Shortage: The Most Impacted Industries | U.S. Chamber of Commerce

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Everything that is a labor shortage is manufactured. We have a huge amount of non-counted unemployed in this nation. Labor shortages could be easily fixed if there was a real attempt at training people to perform the jobs. That would require effort on the part of the businesses.

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Contrary to what Trump's Secretary of Commerce Lutnick claims, it's not as easy as simply screwing in "millions of screws into an iPhone"

There's a good reason why the majority of iPhones are assembled in China.
Skilled technical labor and tooling.

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The unemployed could have been snatching up jobs in landscaping, construction and agriculture for years. They haven't. I doubt that offering training will motivate more than a small percentage of the unemployed. The ones that could get helped by training have likely already been finding their way into other fields of employment.

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Latinos who have come here and hungry to improve their lot in life. They were motivated then and are motivated now.

I'll take hard working individuals on my team, no problem!!

DOGE!

WASHINGTON (AP) - Pentagon says deploying Marines and National Guard to protests in Los Angeles will cost $134 million.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 10, 2025

"…..or just try and get along."

Bill Maher has convinced me that my major failing is not trying to understand those people that voted for Trump and totally agree with him mobilizing the Guard and the Marines against an American city and calling for the arrest of the governor.

I am sure that they are really good, kind, discerning. intelligent people that know what is best for the country and for me, every member of my family, relatives and friends.

I also formally apologize for finding this humorous: