ICE is hardly catching any criminals

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SBGold
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Ii's going to get worse
movielover
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Illegal immigrants are about Democrat seats?

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Listen to Fredo, follow the money, prosecute the leaders.

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"A growing number of U.S. citizens many of them Latinos are reporting they were detained for various periods by immigration agents in what critics say were instances of racial profiling and overzealous policing, Axios' Russell Contreras writes.

Why it matters: U.S. citizens aren't supposed to be arrested or detained unless agents allege they're breaking laws. But reports of citizens of Latino descent being detained or stopped and asked to prove citizenship are rippling through Latino communities nationwide.

ICE hasn't released statistics on such detentions in months. Tricia McLaughlin, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson, told Axios that recent reports of citizens wrongly being arrested are false and that "the media is shamefully peddling a false narrative" to demonize ICE agents.

But an Axios review of news reports, social media videos and claims by advocacy groups about raids since President Trump took office found several instances in which U.S. citizens alleged they were wrongfully detained in one case, for 10 days in immigration detention.

Zoom in: In May, ICE briefly detained Florida-born Leonardo Garcia Venegas from his job at a construction site in Foley, Ala. Agents alleged that Garcia's Real ID was fake, according to Noticias Telemundo.

Immigration officials held U.S. citizen and Albuquerque resident Jose Hermosillo for 10 days in Arizona's Florence Correctional Center after arresting him, and didn't believe him when he said he was a citizen, Arizona Public Media reports.

Last month, ICE briefly detained U.S. citizen Elzon Lemus, an electrician from Brentwood, N.Y., during a traffic stop after agents told Lemus he "looked like" someone they were looking for, CBS News reported.
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DiabloWags
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Kristi Noem says 100% deportation and no amnesty.

Trump says amnesty and a worker program for illegals who pick crops.

Kristi says farmers will use automation and 100% Americans to pick crops.

Trump says illegals can pick crops.
They will pay taxes, but wont be citizens.
"They will get other things," he says.

Maga Morons, which one is it?
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DiabloWags said:

Kristi Noem says 100% deportation and no amnesty.

Trump says amnesty and a worker program for illegals who pick crops.

Kristi says farmers will use automation and 100% Americans to pick crops.

Trump says illegals can pick crops.
They will pay taxes, but wont be citizens.
"They will get other things," he says.

Maga Morons, which one is it?



Did your Father insult guests during every single discussion of world events?
SBGold
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Kristi Noem says 100% deportation and no amnesty.

Trump says amnesty and a worker program for illegals who pick crops.

Kristi says farmers will use automation and 100% Americans to pick crops.

Trump says illegals can pick crops.
They will pay taxes, but wont be citizens.
"They will get other things," he says.

Maga Morons, which one is it?



Did your Father insult guests during every single discussion of world events?
You have no answers to relevant questions. Go get your shoe shine box.

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DiabloWags
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Kristi Noem says 100% deportation and no amnesty.

Trump says amnesty and a worker program for illegals who pick crops.

Kristi says farmers will use automation and 100% Americans to pick crops.

Trump says illegals can pick crops.
They will pay taxes, but wont be citizens.
"They will get other things," he says.

Maga Morons, which one is it?



Did your Father insult guests during every single discussion of world events?


Contrary to you, who never attended CAL let alone achieved a degree from one of the greatest public universities in the nation, my Dad graduated from CAL with a Masters in Poli-Sci after receiving his bachelor's at UW.

He also had lots of interesting stories as a young American boy living over in Berlin with his German parents, as the Russians invaded. Later, he became an intelligence officer in the Air Force interviewing German prisoners of war since he was fluent in German, Frenxh, and some Russian.

Growing up in Walnut Creek in a middle class neighborhood, we spoke about world events at the Dinner table often. In fact, my Dad single-handedly brought back a foreign service fraternity back from the dead at CAL called Delta Phi Epsilon, which has its roots at Georgetown.

My Dad enjoyed a lively discussion.
And was generous to a fault.
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You didn't answer the question.

ICE officers assaulted during raid that nabbed 70 illegal immigrants at meat plant: DHS

Over 70 detainees with criminal backgrounds rounded up as ICE director slams 'reckless rhetoric' undermining law enforcement

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-officers-assaulted-during-raid-nabbed-70-illegal-immigrants-meat-plant-dhs

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movielover said:

You didn't answer the question.

ICE officers assaulted during raid that nabbed 70 illegal immigrants at meat plant: DHS

Over 70 detainees with criminal backgrounds rounded up as ICE director slams 'reckless rhetoric' undermining law enforcement

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-officers-assaulted-during-raid-nabbed-70-illegal-immigrants-meat-plant-dhs


Your question made no sense as he asked good questions that were not insulting (even though you deserved another insult).

With the way ICE is acting behind masks and beating the hell out of people (even ones here lawfully), why would they expect to not be assaulted/resisted? That is what the issue, not reckless rhetoric.

MAGAts, come on learn something and stop with the ignorance

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DiabloWags
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I thought that Trump said that Farm Workers were exempt from ICE raids, no?

Why is there tear gas in the fields?

tequila4kapp
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ICE are wearing masks because leftists were doxxing them, their spouses and children, putting them all at risk.

ICE is not beating the hell out of people. They are lawfully detaining and arresting people. Sometimes - a minority of times (no pun intended) - they mistakenly arrest the wrong person. But the underlying detainment/arrests were lawful. ICE reacts with additional force when people insert themselves to block their lawful actions, included using force against ICE. One minor example: https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-clinic-staffers-seek-shield-ice-agents-from-detaining-honduran-landscaper

Per ICE, 70% of detainees/arrestees have criminal convictions or arrests. 70%. Even more people are suspected of criminal activity or gang affiliation, but not charged.
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Everyone is entitled to a trial by jury of their peers
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dajo9 said:

Everyone is entitled to a trial by jury of their peers


Are they entitled to a trial with an illegal immigrant jury or a trial in the country they are from?
SBGold
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tequila4kapp said:

ICE are wearing masks because leftists were doxxing them, their spouses and children, putting them all at risk.

ICE is not beating the hell out of people. They are lawfully detaining and arresting people. Sometimes - a minority of times (no pun intended) - they mistakenly arrest the wrong person. But the underlying detainment/arrests were lawful. ICE reacts with additional force when people insert themselves to block their lawful actions, included using force against ICE. One minor example: https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-clinic-staffers-seek-shield-ice-agents-from-detaining-honduran-landscaper

Per ICE, 70% of detainees/arrestees have criminal convictions or arrests. 70%. Even more people are suspected of criminal activity or gang affiliation, but not charged.
There are lawsuits that counter your claims.

As with the Esptein stuff, I don't trust what ICE (the gov't) is telling us at all.

https://lamag.com/news/new-lawsuit-says-ice-agents-are-racially-profiling-american-citizens

MAGAts, ICE is acting unlawfully every day

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DiabloWags said:

I thought that Trump said that Farm Workers were exempt from ICE raids, no?

Why is there tear gas in the fields?




Violation of child and labor laws?
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Our current government is simply anti-immigration, period, with the possible exception of white/European immigrants. It's not about criminality for them, it's about getting rid of the immigrants.

Though I should really say this it's most specifically Stephen Miller who holds this view. I'm not sure how much Trump himself even knows what's going on with his immigration policy.

People will need to decide in the next elections if this is the kind of America they want.
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

I thought that Trump said that Farm Workers were exempt from ICE raids, no?

Why is there tear gas in the fields?




Violation of child and labor laws?

In CA minimum age during school hours is 18
Outside of school hours is 12

If not required to attend school: 16

State Child Labor Laws Applicable to Agricultural Employment | U.S. Department of Labor

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sycasey said:

Our current government is simply anti-immigration, period, with the possible exception of white/European immigrants. It's not about criminality for them, it's about getting rid of the immigrants.

Though I should really say this it's most specifically Stephen Miller who holds this view. I'm not sure how much Trump himself even knows what's going on with his immigration policy.

People will need to decide in the next elections if this is the kind of America they want.

All true.

Trump doesn't even seem to be aware of what his own Agriculture Secretary says about farm workers:

"There will be no amnesty. The mass deportations continue, but in a strategic way. We move the workforce towards automation and 100% American participation, which, again, with 34 million people, able-bodied adults on Medicaid, we should be able to do that fairly quickly."

Let me know when 500,000 - 800,000 "white" people show up in the fields to pick CA crops.
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For decades we've had LEGAL, temporary ag programs.

KTLA: "Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott posted to X that 10 undocumented minors at the Camarillo farm, eight of them unaccompanied, were found and Glass House is now under investigation for child labor violations."

Let's not forget the Autopen Administration and Myorkis allowed 300,000 unaccompanied / trafficked children into our country. The Trump Administration has found 10,000 so far.

So the cartels and stoners are using children to grow their stash. Typical.

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sycasey said:

Our current government is simply anti-immigration, period, with the possible exception of white/European immigrants. It's not about criminality for them, it's about getting rid of the immigrants.
From AI Chat:

For instance, one report states that between 2016 and 2020, the Trump administration reduced the number of overall work-authorized visas issued by 51%, yet seasonal visas (H-2A and H-2B) increased by 25%. Another source suggests that the number of available H-2 visas even doubled under Trump.
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the number of H-2B visas was increased for fiscal year 2025
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In recent months, legal immigration at the U.S. southern border has seen a mix of trends. While there have been significant decreases in migrant encounters between ports of entry, there's also been an increase in individuals using the CBP One app to schedule appointments at ports of entry, facilitating legal entry. Furthermore, a large number of immigrants, including those with naturalized citizenship, legal permanent resident status, or temporary visas, reside in the U.S., with many entering legally through various processes.

(emphasis added)

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movielover said:

For decades we've had LEGAL, temporary ag programs.

KTLA: "Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott posted to X that 10 undocumented minors at the Camarillo farm, eight of them unaccompanied, were found and Glass House is now under investigation for child labor violations."

Let's not forget the Autopen Administration and Myorkis allowed 300,000 unaccompanied / trafficked children into our country. The Trump Administration has found 10,000 so far.

So the cartels and stoners are using children to grow their stash. Typical.
Never mind that people are illegally employing minors, or that murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang members, etc. are being deported. No, let's focus on the fact that ICE is wearing masks and are big meanies. That's what really matters.
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sycasey said:

Our current government is simply anti-immigration, period, with the possible exception of white/European immigrants. It's not about criminality for them, it's about getting rid of the immigrants.

Though I should really say this it's most specifically Stephen Miller who holds this view. I'm not sure how much Trump himself even knows what's going on with his immigration policy.

People will need to decide in the next elections if this is the kind of America they want.
In the next elections non-Black poc can control the outcome if they are unified. But if 45% of non-Black poc continue to vote for white supremacy and mass deportations then good luck to them.
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tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

For decades we've had LEGAL, temporary ag programs.

KTLA: "Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott posted to X that 10 undocumented minors at the Camarillo farm, eight of them unaccompanied, were found and Glass House is now under investigation for child labor violations."

Let's not forget the Autopen Administration and Myorkis allowed 300,000 unaccompanied / trafficked children into our country. The Trump Administration has found 10,000 so far.

So the cartels and stoners are using children to grow their stash. Typical.
Never mind that people are illegally employing minors, or that murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang members, etc. are being deported. No, let's focus on the fact that ICE is wearing masks and are big meanies. That's what really matters.
I am focused on the people who were put directly into a foreign prison with no trial and the legal immigrants (with visas and green cards) who were jailed only for their speech.
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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

For decades we've had LEGAL, temporary ag programs.

KTLA: "Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott posted to X that 10 undocumented minors at the Camarillo farm, eight of them unaccompanied, were found and Glass House is now under investigation for child labor violations."

Let's not forget the Autopen Administration and Myorkis allowed 300,000 unaccompanied / trafficked children into our country. The Trump Administration has found 10,000 so far.

So the cartels and stoners are using children to grow their stash. Typical.
Never mind that people are illegally employing minors, or that murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang members, etc. are being deported. No, let's focus on the fact that ICE is wearing masks and are big meanies. That's what really matters.
I am focused on the people who were put directly into a foreign prison with no trial and the legal immigrants (with visas and green cards) who were jailed only for their speech.
Okay but
- those jailed in foreign prison were declared terrorists and removed pursuant to a law that's been on the books for decades.
- those so legal immigrants weren't exactly entirely legal. Some likely would not have obtained visas if they had been fully truthful on their visa applications and others committed crimes while here on visas which nullifies the visa.

The admin is being aggressive and pushing the envelope. No doubt about it. But lets not overlook the problem they are trying to fix and who is responsible for that problem. The problem has scale that virtually guarantees any solution cannot be executed perfectly.
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

For decades we've had LEGAL, temporary ag programs.





Source?
Provide a link.
DiabloWags
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

F


The admin is being aggressive and pushing the envelope. No doubt about it. But lets not overlook the problem they are trying to fix and who is responsible for that problem. The problem has scale that virtually guarantees any solution cannot be executed perfectly.

Like using a "sledgehammer" with all kinds of federal agencies instead of being surgical when it comes to reforming them. Honestly, I don't think that this Administration knows any other way.



sycasey
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

For decades we've had LEGAL, temporary ag programs.

KTLA: "Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott posted to X that 10 undocumented minors at the Camarillo farm, eight of them unaccompanied, were found and Glass House is now under investigation for child labor violations."

Let's not forget the Autopen Administration and Myorkis allowed 300,000 unaccompanied / trafficked children into our country. The Trump Administration has found 10,000 so far.

So the cartels and stoners are using children to grow their stash. Typical.
Never mind that people are illegally employing minors, or that murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang members, etc. are being deported. No, let's focus on the fact that ICE is wearing masks and are big meanies. That's what really matters.
I am focused on the people who were put directly into a foreign prison with no trial and the legal immigrants (with visas and green cards) who were jailed only for their speech.
Okay but
- those jailed in foreign prison were declared terrorists and removed pursuant to a law that's been on the books for decades.
- those so legal immigrants weren't exactly entirely legal. Some likely would not have obtained visas if they had been fully truthful on their visa applications and others committed crimes while here on visas which nullifies the visa.
LOL come on now. It's quite clear that people were being targeted based on:

1. Racial profiling
2. Political speech

I don't doubt that the administration has some legal authority to do a lot of this. I just think they shouldn't do these things, because they are antithetical to our American values. Everyone is supposed to get their day in court, and no one is supposed to be jailed for speech. Maybe you don't agree. I guess I know where you stand, then.
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A month of sweeping immigration enforcement actions has sent people underground, leaving businesses empty and upending daily life across Southern California. It's also sparked a crisis of faith for many Catholics who have spent their lives worshiping at Sunday Mass and are now questioning whether it's safe to connect with God in such a public space.

In an extraordinary move this week, Bishop Alberto Rojas of the Diocese of San Bernardino told his diocese of about 1.2 million people that they could stay home on Sundays to avoid Mass as concerns about immigration sweeps loom. It came after arrests near or at local churches.

"I want our immigrant communities to know that their Church stands with them and walks with them through this trying time," he said in a statement.



A crisis of faith: ICE raids force some churches to take 'extraordinary' action - Los Angeles Times
movielover
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DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

F


The admin is being aggressive and pushing the envelope. No doubt about it. But lets not overlook the problem they are trying to fix and who is responsible for that problem. The problem has scale that virtually guarantees any solution cannot be executed perfectly.

Like using a "sledgehammer" with all kinds of federal agencies instead of being surgical when it comes to reforming them. Honestly, I don't think that this Administration knows any other way.




USAID appears to have been a front group for the CIA and Progressives - how can that be reformed? 90-95% of our grants / charity never gets to the end user / purported cause.

Over $4 Billion spent on Haiti, but still no functioning port?

Here is true dousy: the United States Institute of Peace. When DOGE forced their way into USIP, they found:

- PALLETS of cash
- weapons
- a Director deleted TERABYTES of information

So what's this all about, another CIA front group? I imagine the USIP data will be stored w the Epstein files.

Ninety percent of infrastructure money never goes to infrastructure! I'm so sick of reading we have 1,000 bridges which need retrofits, $7 Billion spent on a pretend high speed train to connect two CV ag towns.
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Churches made lots of money in this sham, and also aided, indirectly, in the trafficking of innocent women and children, along with tens of thousands iof rapes and abuse during this illegal transit.

In addition, my friends tell me that towns have been gutted of Father's and brothers in Central and South America, male leaders who could stand up to the Cartel, protect vulnerable children. When a Cartel member wants to grab a young girl, or snatch a young boy to join the local crew, there is nobody to protect the family. So the "unintended consequences" are massive.
sycasey
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movielover said:

USAID appears to have been a front group for the CIA and Progressives - how can that be reformed?

Poor Republicans . . . full control of the federal government and just can't find any way to maintain aid money to starving kids and AIDS patients in Africa. Whatever can we do? May as well just shut it all down.
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Money routed by the State Dept now. Next.
sycasey
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movielover said:

Money routed by the State Dept now. Next.

Wake me up when it happens.
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