https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

" ... they'll have to show they know the 'biological differences between males and females' ... "

You can't make this stuff up. Wait, are you making this stuff up?

*Hot tip for Oakies: Don't lose any sleep making battle plans for Culture War scenarios that exist only in your inbred minds.

concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

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I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

I hate Left indoctrination as much as Right indoctrination. Different sides of the same coin. Just give me the facts and let the chips fall where they may……but this current environment where we argue about what the facts and truth are makes that a challenge.*

*"Trump's ability to invent and sustain a false narrative, however crazy and however incoherent, is preternatural. So are his profound skills in psychological abuse deployed to make it stick: gaslighting, intimidating, manipulating, and menacing you so that, in the end, you have no idea what the truth is or could be, and submit to the man if only to get out of his way."
Andrew Sullivan

concordtom said:

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This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

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Oklahoma is a crap-hole.

CNBC once did a study on the WORST PLACES TO LIVE IN 2022.

These were your Top 3:

1.) Arizona
2.) Texas
3.) Oklahoma

Hot, humid, in the middle of Tornado Alley and miles and miles of prairies.
Two seasons: Hard rain and cold. Then hot and humid.


CNBC: Oklahoma one of 3 worst states to live, also ranks low for business

These 10 states are America's worst places to live in 2022

This is what happens when judges don't protect individual rights

BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

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I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

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No, I haven't.
Why don't you paste some links so I can read it.

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

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Oklahoma is a crap-hole.

CNBC once did a study on the WORST PLACES TO LIVE IN 2022.

These were your Top 3:

1.) Arizona
2.) Texas
3.) Oklahoma

Hot, humid, in the middle of Tornado Alley and miles and miles of prairies.
Two seasons: Hard rain and cold. Then hot and humid.


CNBC: Oklahoma one of 3 worst states to live, also ranks low for business

These 10 states are America's worst places to live in 2022

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I can't imagine Louisiana, Alabama or Mississippi being any better. But I've never been to those states (only 46 of 50, ND being the other.)

Maybe Minot can tell us why ND also should not be considered on the list.

Hmmmm maybe I'll do my own ranking.
Arizona definitely doesn't belong in the bottom 3.

Big C said:

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Speaking of Oklahoma, I used to be a big Jaydn Ott fan. Because he got his Cal diploma before he left, I am tempering the animosity I now feel for him. That said, it would really make me laugh if all the air conditioning in or near Norman, OK went on the fritz for the next few weeks.

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He did???
How long was he here? 3 years?
Dude should be celebrated and sent off to the real world with cheer. "Graduate, get a job." That's what we tell people. Well, how much is he getting paid in his new job? Celebrate that!!!


PS: crappy stats last year.
Why would he want to stay here???
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jaydn-ott-1.html

dajo9 said:

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This is what happens when judges don't protect individual rights

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Okay, like the people talking in the video background "what are we doing here?"

I think the guy had a point, but I lost it.
That was weird.

Big C said:

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" ... they'll have to show they know the 'biological differences between males and females' ... "

You can't make this stuff up. Wait, are you making this stuff up?

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Okay, that was funny.
But back to the point, I look forward to cross examination where the bi-nodal (man. woman.) expert witness is asked to explain why he is attracted to only women, yet perhaps as large as 10% (according to stats I've read) has had sex with men, and a smaller percentage prefers to exclusively have sex with men. Further, why does a smaller group of people identify as a gender different than what they appear to be.

That ought to be some entertaining squirming on the witness stand.

What defines gender? What drives behavior? Your body or your brain?

Naw'lins is a good one and done. I'm glad I visited. Some of the salty looking dudes that hang out in the French Quarter after dark look like they would have been pirates in a prior life.

concordtom said:

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Hmmmm maybe I'll do my own ranking.
Arizona definitely doesn't belong in the bottom 3.

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CNBC didn't like the lack of humidity in AZ.

The dry heat leads to some of the worst air quality in the nation, according to the American Lung Association.
AZ also has a very poor health care system. It only spends $79 per person on public health.

Also received a "D" in grades for education, cost of living, and access to capital.

concordtom said:

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dajo9 said:

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This is what happens when judges don't protect individual rights

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Okay, like the people talking in the video background "what are we doing here?"

I think the guy had a point, but I lost it.
That was weird.

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The point is you can use democracy to deny people's rights - in the most extreme, the right to live. He had a mock election on whether to execute people. Yes, the crowd was confused. It's not the kind of thing people are used to seeing at a concert. It's the kind of thing people should spend more time thinking about.

Arizona and Texas are way more interesting. Scenic beauty, great music ( Texas). And of course interesting cultures with great influxes of minorities . Texas in particular adding more Hispanic, Asian and African Americans

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Hmmmm maybe I'll do my own ranking.
Arizona definitely doesn't belong in the bottom 3.

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CNBC didn't like the lack of humidity in AZ.

The dry heat leads to some of the worst air quality in the nation, according to the American Lung Association.
AZ also has a very poor health care system. It only spends $79 per person on public health.

Also received a "D" in grades for education, cost of living, and access to capital.

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And Concordtom didn't like humidity of pretty much anywhere east of the Rockies! Certainly not the lack of education, racism or MAGAism of the South.

Interest fact, since you touched it.
No state has more African Americans than Texas.

concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Speaking of Oklahoma, I used to be a big Jaydn Ott fan. Because he got his Cal diploma before he left, I am tempering the animosity I now feel for him. That said, it would really make me laugh if all the air conditioning in or near Norman, OK went on the fritz for the next few weeks.

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He did???
How long was he here? 3 years?
Dude should be celebrated and sent off to the real world with cheer. "Graduate, get a job." That's what we tell people. Well, how much is he getting paid in his new job? Celebrate that!!!


PS: crappy stats last year.
Why would he want to stay here???
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jaydn-ott-1.html

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He used early entry, summer school and possibly some AP credits to graduate in 3 1/2 years.

AFAIK, Ott liked it at Cal, but was also frustrated in some respects. He jerked us around a bit, when he was deciding if he wanted to stay, then took some minor shots at the Cal program, in a recent interview. Minor stuff.

My brother in law just took a new job. He wasn't really liking the old one and so I asked how it went when he gave his two week notice.

He said he told them he did an exploratory interview because he heard about something interesting from a friend and they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Deeper inside, he REALLY wanted out, but he didn't let any of that be said.

Who knows how sort felt but there's no doubt that Oklahoma will give him a better chance to be drafted than Cal. We tried to market him as a Heisman candidate preseason, didn't we? That was a spectacular flop.

He's never wowed me in 3 years.
I think people put too much hope in him because we often don't have much to put hope in.

BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

---

I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

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Do you have kids in school? Or recently? I can tell you that no K-12 school " enforces" DEI. I mean what do you think they do, lead chants and send Johnny home if he doesn't say "institutional racism" outl oud? It is almost farcical how much influence conservatives place on schools - as if it were that easy. Let me tell you, if teachers could indoctrinate they would be getting those kiddos to ace their mandated state tests and especially indoctrinate them into classroom rules ;-)

More troubling (I would agree) is social sciences and liberal arts in college and the focus on evaluating knowledge through writing essays. Sadly I do think it is easier for undergrads to skate through by parroting the party line.

concordtom said:

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Who knows how sort felt but there's no doubt that Oklahoma will give him a better chance to be drafted than Cal. We tried to market him as a Heisman candidate preseason, didn't we? That was a spectacular flop.

He's never wowed me in 3 years.
I think people put too much hope in him because we often don't have much to put hope in.

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At the risk of watching Concord Tom hijack yet another thread, I will post the stats from Ott's first two seasons at CAL:

2022: *897 yards, 8 TD's, 74.8 yards per game

2023: 1,315 yards, 11 TD's, 114.6 yards per game.

* 274 yards came from week #4 against Arizona. The 3rd most yards in school history and most ever by a Pac-12 freshman. He also added 321 yards and another 3 TD's thru the air. His freshman year was scintillating.

HIs 2024 season was plagued by an ankle injury from the Bear's season opener and a Cal offensive line that couldn't block your grandmother.





"I don't know how to put it nicely. The biggest difference is these guys care," Ott said. "Not saying that my former teammates at Cal don't care, but there's levels and it shows in the way that guys treat their craft and how often they're taking care of things outside the facility in order to be good within it."

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Who knows how he felt but there's no doubt that Oklahoma will give him a better chance to be drafted than Cal. We tried to market him as a Heisman candidate preseason, didn't we? That was a spectacular flop.

He's never wowed me in 3 years.
I think people put too much hope in him because we often don't have much to put hope in.

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At the risk of watching Concord Tom hijack yet another thread, I will post the stats from Ott's first two seasons at CAL:

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You're safe. This is "Off Topic"!

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Who knows how sort felt but there's no doubt that Oklahoma will give him a better chance to be drafted than Cal. We tried to market him as a Heisman candidate preseason, didn't we? That was a spectacular flop.

He's never wowed me in 3 years.
I think people put too much hope in him because we often don't have much to put hope in.

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At the risk of watching Concord Tom hijack yet another thread, I will post the stats from Ott's first two seasons at CAL:

2022: *897 yards, 8 TD's, 74.8 yards per game

2023: 1,315 yards, 11 TD's, 114.6 yards per game.

* 274 yards came from week #4 against Arizona. The 3rd most yards in school history and most ever by a Pac-12 freshman. He also added 321 yards and another 3 TD's thru the air. His freshman year was scintillating.

HIs 2024 season was plagued by an ankle injury from the Bear's season opener and a Cal offensive line that couldn't block your grandmother.





"I don't know how to put it nicely. The biggest difference is these guys care," Ott said. "Not saying that my former teammates at Cal don't care, but there's levels and it shows in the way that guys treat their craft and how often they're taking care of things outside the facility in order to be good within it."

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I always felt like Ott was slow out of the backfield. I figured he would not shine at a higher level because of it.

dajo9 said:

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I always felt like Ott was slow out of the backfield. I figured he would not shine at a higher level because of it.

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I would agree.

Supposedly, his 40 time was 4.46
But it's hard to believe given that he was running the 100m at Bishop Gorman in May of 2021 in 11.34
And that was his personal best.

Jaydn Ott - NV Track & Field Bio

socaltownie said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

---

I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

---

Do you have kids in school? Or recently? I can tell you that no K-12 school " enforces" DEI. I mean what do you think they do, lead chants and send Johnny home if he doesn't say "institutional racism" outl oud? It is almost farcical how much influence conservatives place on schools - as if it were that easy. Let me tell you, if teachers could indoctrinate they would be getting those kiddos to ace their mandated state tests and especially indoctrinate them into classroom rules ;-)

More troubling (I would agree) is social sciences and liberal arts in college and the focus on evaluating knowledge through writing essays. Sadly I do think it is easier for undergrads to skate through by parroting the party line.

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My sons attended K-12 public schools and then private universities. Most recent graduate was 15 months ago and one child still in school.

If you re-read my post I was referring to use of the k-12 curriculum to enforce (or perhaps the better word would be "impose" or "officially endorse") partisan political views including, but not limited to, DEI and other mostly (if not entirely) liberal viewpoints.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2024/11/20/a_remedy_for_californias_destructive_ethnic_studies_curriculum_1073546.html

Her is an example of a district in Orange County that went all in partisan on a purely political issue (Palestine) and hid it from the community.

https://www.ocregister.com/2025/02/26/santa-ana-unified-needs-to-open-up-ethnic-studies-development-in-full-public-view/

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/california-school-district-ethnic-studies-committee-awash-in-antisemitism-lawsuit-alleges/

Per the article below, the district withdrew the curriculum, but there are similar complaints against Berkeley Unified, Fremont High School and Santa Clara Unified, a San Jose charter school and another Bay Area district, Sequoia Union High School District.

https://edsource.org/2025/santa-ana-to-drop-contested-ethnic-studies-courses-to-settle-closely-watched-lawsuit/727272

Is there any real doubt that ethnic studies courses inevitably end up endorsing a liberal political viewpoint? The fields are dominated by one political viewpoint and that is trickling down to K-12.

socaltownie said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

---

I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

---

Do you have kids in school? Or recently? I can tell you that no K-12 school " enforces" DEI. I mean what do you think they do, lead chants and send Johnny home if he doesn't say "institutional racism" outl oud? It is almost farcical how much influence conservatives place on schools - as if it were that easy. Let me tell you, if teachers could indoctrinate they would be getting those kiddos to ace their mandated state tests and especially indoctrinate them into classroom rules ;-)

More troubling (I would agree) is social sciences and liberal arts in college and the focus on evaluating knowledge through writing essays. Sadly I do think it is easier for undergrads to skate through by parroting the party line.

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In California, I have a bigger issue with politics driving pedagogical approaches that don't actually work because they are seen as more in line with "equity" or whatever. Being against advanced placement and magnet schools, not teaching Algebra in 8th grade, that kind of thing. The thinking is that by forcing the more gifted students to stay with the average ones it will raise everyone's scores but AFAIK that doesn't really work.

This other culture-war stuff is (mostly) a distraction.

sycasey said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

---

I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

---

Do you have kids in school? Or recently? I can tell you that no K-12 school " enforces" DEI. I mean what do you think they do, lead chants and send Johnny home if he doesn't say "institutional racism" outl oud? It is almost farcical how much influence conservatives place on schools - as if it were that easy. Let me tell you, if teachers could indoctrinate they would be getting those kiddos to ace their mandated state tests and especially indoctrinate them into classroom rules ;-)

More troubling (I would agree) is social sciences and liberal arts in college and the focus on evaluating knowledge through writing essays. Sadly I do think it is easier for undergrads to skate through by parroting the party line.

---

In California, I have a bigger issue with politics driving pedagogical approaches that don't actually work because they are seen as more in line with "equity" or whatever. Being against advanced placement and magnet schools, not teaching Algebra in 8th grade, that kind of thing. The thinking is that by forcing the more gifted students to stay with the average ones it will raise everyone's scores but AFAIK that doesn't really work.

This other culture-war stuff is (mostly) a distraction.

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I did algebra in a Johns Hopkins summer school program between 7th and 8th grade. Then did geometry in 8th grade. I was never as strong at math after that and always regretted it.

DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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I always felt like Ott was slow out of the backfield. I figured he would not shine at a higher level because of it.

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I would agree.

Supposedly, his 40 time was 4.46
But it's hard to believe given that he was running the 100m at Bishop Gorman in May of 2021 in 11.34
And that was his personal best.

Jaydn Ott - NV Track & Field Bio

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I've seen Ott on enough long runs to be able to say without a doubt that he is fast. Maybe he hardly ever ran track.

He's the kind of back that tries to read his blocks, which can be great provided there are blocks to read. Last year there weren't many.

Anarchistbear said:

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There is no reason to teach ethnic studies in high schools - it just creates more silos of students who may be " traumatized" by things that never happened to them. We need to create agency for kids not memory culture

And both sides do it, AB 715 in California currently attempts to intercede in the Israel- Palestine conflict

https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2025/07/controversial-california-bill-would-penalize-antisemitic-learning-environment-in-schools-00436893

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I agree with you on this which, I must admit, is causing me some distress.

BearGoggles said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-require-teachers-ny-california-090250130.html

This is problematic and laughable, too.

First, the laugh: newsflash - nobody from CA or NY wants to move to your state!

Second, the problem.
Any time you have some central government filter people by their political beliefs, that's no good.
And I can't help think someone who wants to sue probably has a pretty good case. No?

---

I actually agree with the bolded statement. Government should not use schools to impose mandated political beliefs.

Now that we agree on that, I wonder. Have you seen the California curriculum including the so-called ethnic studies requirement? The adoption has been, at best, deeply political (enforcing DEI and other leftist beliefs) with a smattering of overt racism/antisemitism thrown in.

If you don't criticize the CA curriculum, then your real objection to what Oklahoma is doing is that it enforced conservative norms.

---

Do you have kids in school? Or recently? I can tell you that no K-12 school " enforces" DEI. I mean what do you think they do, lead chants and send Johnny home if he doesn't say "institutional racism" outl oud? It is almost farcical how much influence conservatives place on schools - as if it were that easy. Let me tell you, if teachers could indoctrinate they would be getting those kiddos to ace their mandated state tests and especially indoctrinate them into classroom rules ;-)

More troubling (I would agree) is social sciences and liberal arts in college and the focus on evaluating knowledge through writing essays. Sadly I do think it is easier for undergrads to skate through by parroting the party line.

---

In California, I have a bigger issue with politics driving pedagogical approaches that don't actually work because they are seen as more in line with "equity" or whatever. Being against advanced placement and magnet schools, not teaching Algebra in 8th grade, that kind of thing. The thinking is that by forcing the more gifted students to stay with the average ones it will raise everyone's scores but AFAIK that doesn't really work.

This other culture-war stuff is (mostly) a distraction.

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I did algebra in a Johns Hopkins summer school program between 7th and 8th grade. Then did geometry in 8th grade. I was never as strong at math after that and always regretted it.

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That explains your stock market and election predictions.

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He says to the guy who spent a career in Finance Departments and is on track to retire at 53 and live off investments and with no pension