sycasey said:

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From what I can tell, I don't think I would say Kirk was specifically racist against Black people, though he was highly inflammatory in his statements about affirmative action or DEI or whatever and walked right up to the line while criticizing those things (purposely, I suspect).

I think he probably was racist (or prejudiced, or whatever you prefer) against Muslims. I also suspect several of our conservative posters here agree with him on this.

Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) June 2, 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. https://t.co/p3EsmCNQuj

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 9, 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/hellhole-uk-stolen-elections-south-korea-charlie-kirk-took-message-abroad

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Foreign residents and supporters of mass migration were, he claimed, "very quietly and secretly funnelling themselves into Japanese life. They want to erase, replace and eradicate Japan by bringing in Indonesians, by bringing in Arabs, by bringing in Muslims".

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He claimed he had seen a cafe in which "every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman not a single native Brit" and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

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This has nothing to with race.


This suggests that he is religionist.


And his statements are true. Islam is the master of misogyny and other horrific things. Not all Muslims are bad. Islam is not compatible with western values. Those statements are not mutually exclusive.

ACC Bear said:

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I think you can make a convincing argument here that what Charlie Kirk said in the first 40 seconds of this video is racist.

Charlie Kirk said Joy Reid, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Shiela Jackson Lee, and Michelle Obama used affirmative action because they “do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously” so they had to “steal a white person’s slot.” pic.twitter.com/W6DgzF4r2l

— PatriotTakes 🇺🇸 (@patriottakes) July 14, 2023

However, it's not the part that everyone is misquoting him on (also the part that got Washington Post opinion columnist Karen Attiah fired for intentionally misquoting him).

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Thanks for sharing. He is mostly saying these specific 4 woman are not worthy. Later in the clip he said (paraphrase) "taking the spot of someone worthy." Early in the clip he did make a racist comment when he said "taking the spot of a white woman.

Show me more. It's very left to label somebody with one statement. He has done a lot of good for many minorities directly but it doesn't fit your narrative to listen to those stories.

Walz is a misogynist racist by your standards because he clearly called Kamala a prostitutor

i've lived in the united states for most of the 42 years i've been alive, and i've never had people be openly racist to me.

until i heard from all the people either openly on X or privately in DMs hurling racist abuse at me for switching to the republican party.

eye opening.

— Siqi Chen (@blader) September 17, 2025

going4roses said:

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The truth is the truth regardless … engagement doesn't mean anything.

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What it means is he's got a lot of bot account followers to prop up his message of false rhetoric with the intention of keeping people in the victim mindset

going4roses said:

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Why ? Or Why not ?

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Don't give a shiet. Never even heard of him until last week. If the leftist are saying he's racist then they're probably lying or stupid.

looking for peace works best in a graveyard..

smh said:

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looking for peace works best in a graveyard..

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It's funny to me because he's been one of the more globally peaceful presidents of my lifetime. Yall can't have it both ways, as hard as you try

HawaiiBear33 said:

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sycasey said:

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From what I can tell, I don't think I would say Kirk was specifically racist against Black people, though he was highly inflammatory in his statements about affirmative action or DEI or whatever and walked right up to the line while criticizing those things (purposely, I suspect).

I think he probably was racist (or prejudiced, or whatever you prefer) against Muslims. I also suspect several of our conservative posters here agree with him on this.

Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) June 2, 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. https://t.co/p3EsmCNQuj

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 9, 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/hellhole-uk-stolen-elections-south-korea-charlie-kirk-took-message-abroad

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Foreign residents and supporters of mass migration were, he claimed, "very quietly and secretly funnelling themselves into Japanese life. They want to erase, replace and eradicate Japan by bringing in Indonesians, by bringing in Arabs, by bringing in Muslims".

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He claimed he had seen a cafe in which "every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman not a single native Brit" and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

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This has nothing to with race.


This suggests that he is religionist.


And his statements are true. Islam is the master of misogyny and other horrific things. Not all Muslims are bad. Islam is not compatible with western values. Those statements are not mutually exclusive.

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I think this paints with far too broad a brush.

There are variants of Islam (just like most other religions). The extreme (perhaps the correct word is fundamentalist??) Islamists explicitly reject western values and norms in favor of Sharia and seek to impose (not simply observe) their views on the world (i.e., political Islam). Those people and their views are quite arguably incompatible with Western civilization and it is not bigoted to say so. You are taking them at their word.

There are also variants of Islam that adopt a more modern and tolerant approach. I'm not going to guess what percentage of Muslims fall into each category, but I think its safe to say the western world should be fully aware that many follow fundamentalist Islam and/or pursue political Islam. It is crazy to welcome those people into western countries when they have no intention of assimilating or moderating.

BearGoggles said:

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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sycasey said:

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From what I can tell, I don't think I would say Kirk was specifically racist against Black people, though he was highly inflammatory in his statements about affirmative action or DEI or whatever and walked right up to the line while criticizing those things (purposely, I suspect).

I think he probably was racist (or prejudiced, or whatever you prefer) against Muslims. I also suspect several of our conservative posters here agree with him on this.

Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) June 2, 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. https://t.co/p3EsmCNQuj

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 9, 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/hellhole-uk-stolen-elections-south-korea-charlie-kirk-took-message-abroad

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Foreign residents and supporters of mass migration were, he claimed, "very quietly and secretly funnelling themselves into Japanese life. They want to erase, replace and eradicate Japan by bringing in Indonesians, by bringing in Arabs, by bringing in Muslims".

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He claimed he had seen a cafe in which "every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman not a single native Brit" and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

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This has nothing to with race.


This suggests that he is religionist.


And his statements are true. Islam is the master of misogyny and other horrific things. Not all Muslims are bad. Islam is not compatible with western values. Those statements are not mutually exclusive.

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I think this paints with far too broad a brush.

There are variants of Islam (just like most other religions). The extreme (perhaps the correct word is fundamentalist??) Islamists explicitly reject western values and norms in favor of Sharia and seek to impose (not simply observe) their views on the world (i.e., political Islam). Those people and their views are quite arguably incompatible with Western civilization and it is not bigoted to say so. You are taking them at their word.

There are also variants of Islam that adopt a more modern and tolerant approach. I'm not going to guess what percentage of Muslims fall into each category, but I think its safe to say the western world should be fully aware that many follow fundamentalist Islam and/or pursue political Islam. It is crazy to welcome those people into western countries when they have no intention of assimilating or moderating.

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Yes, like many religions Islam has moderate/modern wings and an extreme/fundamentalist wing. Obviously we should not bring in extremists if we can help it. Unfortunately we are stuck with the Christian version in the US since they were born here.

The idea that the majority of Muslims are incompatible with Western civilization is nonsense. We have had Muslim communities here in the US for many years with no issue. Is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar incompatible with American democracy? Seems like he is a thoughtful participant in it, actually!

I'm not sure why they can't seem to get their s*** together in the UK, but maybe America just assimilates better, I dunno.

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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sycasey said:

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From what I can tell, I don't think I would say Kirk was specifically racist against Black people, though he was highly inflammatory in his statements about affirmative action or DEI or whatever and walked right up to the line while criticizing those things (purposely, I suspect).

I think he probably was racist (or prejudiced, or whatever you prefer) against Muslims. I also suspect several of our conservative posters here agree with him on this.

Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) June 2, 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. https://t.co/p3EsmCNQuj

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 9, 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/hellhole-uk-stolen-elections-south-korea-charlie-kirk-took-message-abroad

Quote:

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Foreign residents and supporters of mass migration were, he claimed, "very quietly and secretly funnelling themselves into Japanese life. They want to erase, replace and eradicate Japan by bringing in Indonesians, by bringing in Arabs, by bringing in Muslims".

...

He claimed he had seen a cafe in which "every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman not a single native Brit" and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

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This has nothing to with race.


This suggests that he is religionist.


And his statements are true. Islam is the master of misogyny and other horrific things. Not all Muslims are bad. Islam is not compatible with western values. Those statements are not mutually exclusive.

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I think this paints with far too broad a brush.

There are variants of Islam (just like most other religions). The extreme (perhaps the correct word is fundamentalist??) Islamists explicitly reject western values and norms in favor of Sharia and seek to impose (not simply observe) their views on the world (i.e., political Islam). Those people and their views are quite arguably incompatible with Western civilization and it is not bigoted to say so. You are taking them at their word.

There are also variants of Islam that adopt a more modern and tolerant approach. I'm not going to guess what percentage of Muslims fall into each category, but I think its safe to say the western world should be fully aware that many follow fundamentalist Islam and/or pursue political Islam. It is crazy to welcome those people into western countries when they have no intention of assimilating or moderating.

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Yes, like many religions Islam has moderate/modern wings and an extreme/fundamentalist wing. Obviously we should not bring in extremists if we can help it. Unfortunately we are stuck with the Christian version in the US since they were born here.

The idea that the majority of Muslims are incompatible with Western civilization is nonsense. We have had Muslim communities here in the US for many years with no issue. Is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar incompatible with American democracy? Seems like he is a thoughtful participant in it, actually!

I'm not sure why they can't seem to get their s*** together in the UK, but maybe America just assimilates better, I dunno.

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Christianity underwent a reformation. You don't see Christian crusaders seeking to conquer territory or waging war to convert people. That is not the case for Islam where Political Islam is a driving force of problems in many communities (Iran and its proxies, Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas, ISIS, Boko Haram etc).

I didn't say majority. But in any event, you are making several false comparisons.

• Muslim communities in the US are not representative of Muslim communities in other parts of the world. Beyond that, there are real problems in Minnesota, Seattle, and Michigan were recent Muslim immigrants have brought beliefs and practices that have in fact created "issues" (to adopt your formulation). Those people are not Kareem Abdul-Jabbars (or for that matter Muhammed Alis). The US does have a real assimilation problem, though no where near as bad as Europe.
• There are approximately two billion Muslims in the world. Surveys show that a substantial percentage of those hold views that are not compatible with western democracy and have no intention of adopting Western values. That is (at a minimum) hundreds of millions of people. It is not wrong to say we don't want those people in our Country.
• Your reference to Christianity in America is a false equivalency. You have political objections with these people. They are not in any way similar to Isis, Hamas, or the Mullahs of Iran. Very few Christians resort to violence based on their Christian beliefs (some do). But more importantly, no modern Christian religion advocates for violence or preaches in favor of advancing Christianity with violence.

Does anybody have a DEI hotline phone number? Here in NJ a local town is having an Italian heritage event that I need to report.

I worry about our Jews. They are more loyal to a foreign power committing genocide than the US. There are thousands in New York City living in fundamentalist cults, wearing black hats, oppressing and separating women, self- segregating from the rest of the population with their own religious schools and Messiah fantasies. These cults are not compatible with western democracies and assimilation. What are these people up to? Does Tommy Robinson know?

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.

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Not always

The Muslim mayor of Dearborn, Michigan just told a Christian resident he was not welcome in the town.

Are you waking up yet?

pic.twitter.com/akUNyVEzfT

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) September 17, 2025

86 Sharia "courts" in UK.

HawaiiBear33 said:

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Gfr doesn't speak for all black people but these guys seem to be on his page

BLM chanting in NYC:

"Fuck Charlie Kirk"

"Racist bastard"

"Piss on your ashes"

"Spit on your grave"

"I'll never be a slave"

This is your party, leftists. Congrats.
pic.twitter.com/rFSyt6hzn7

— Sara Rose 🇺🇸🌹 (@saras76) September 19, 2025

Choose kindness

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I see about 10 performative people in that video.

Seriously? Here is what I hate about our modern politics - that these clips matter. It is 10 randos chanting to chant.

HawaiiBear33 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.

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Not always

The Muslim mayor of Dearborn, Michigan just told a Christian resident he was not welcome in the town.

Are you waking up yet?

pic.twitter.com/akUNyVEzfT

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) September 17, 2025

86 Sharia "courts" in UK.

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Did you listen to the clip? Apparently the guy shows up at EVERY meeting and spouts off about muslims destroying his city.

God I hate our politics. Just a LITTLE research would put that comment in context.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.

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THIS!!!!

And you can also usually see that especially when a "wave" migration how much backlash there is. I love listening to right wingers with Italian surnames spout off cause I know my history and how much persecution/discrimenation they faced. Ditto the Irish. Ditto the Poles. Ditto the Germans. Even the scots.

The best ethnography I have seen says generation 3. The original immigrants cling to the old ways and usually their kids, as a matter of necessity, are bilingual and usually adopt elements of both cultures. The grandkids though are usually essentially assimilated into the "full" culture.

Fun fact. You actually see that a LOT in Southern California. BOTH in Mexican American AND Vietnamese American neighborhoods. 20-30 years ago a ton of signage JUST in mother tongues. Now if you drive around these same neighborhoods, a lot less. Another fun fact - since about 2010-2015 net migration from Mexico is negative. The wave currently experiencing was from other Latin American countries. Part of the shift to Trump was Mexican american backlash about THESE immigrants. If I had a grad student working on these questions I would totally pitch them on checking out the hypothesis that some of this is that using the asylum system is seen as a different immigrant story than crossing the border illegally - which often is still told 3 generations later in Mexican american families.

BLM the entity is nonexistent has been for years keep up …now the ethos behind the acronym is still alive and well because of the necessity

socaltownie said:

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.

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Not always

The Muslim mayor of Dearborn, Michigan just told a Christian resident he was not welcome in the town.

Are you waking up yet?

pic.twitter.com/akUNyVEzfT

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) September 17, 2025

86 Sharia "courts" in UK.

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Did you listen to the clip? Apparently the guy shows up at EVERY meeting and spouts off about muslims destroying his city.

God I hate our politics. Just a LITTLE research would put that comment in context.

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Interesting that you think that justifies the invasion. Sharia will follow just like all throughout Europe.


Sharia is in every Muslim dominant country, mostly as actual law and only in pockets. Polygamy is legal in all but 2 Muslim countries.

Are there evil Christian's? Of course
Are the absolutely wonderful Muslims? Of course

Will the peaceful Muslims get dominated by the bloodthirsty ones who are in a constant state of jihad until the whole world is Muslim? Well that is the historical pattern

Any theology majors? Please set me straight if I'm way off

🚨Charlie Kirk goes off on a Racist 🗣️ pic.twitter.com/mwFtqvuH5s

— GodlyVibez Studios (@GV_Studios_) September 19, 2025

By normal people's definition of racist Kirk was absolutely not one

My perspective/ understanding is vastly different from yours. It is mostly due to who I am who my parents were and grandparents and so on. It's a sticky situation to watch others come to place we built via chattel slavery for free ( still have not been compensated)to then still in the group level not have piece of the pie.
White proximity white acceptance white adulation via full capitulation are very big pieces of the puzzle

We have colloquial saying … whites say " if your light (Asian etc) you are Ight if your brown ( Hispanic/spanish etc) you can stick around and if you are Black stay back

And the colorism has everyone's mindset messed up in America or around the world doesn't matter if it's Indian or the Philippines or Argentina

going4roses said:

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My perspective/ understanding is vastly different from yours. It is mostly due to who I am who my parents were and grandparents and so on. It's a sticky situation to watch others come to place we built via chattel slavery for free ( still have not been compensated)to then still in the group level not have piece of the pie.
White proximity white acceptance white adulation are very big pieces of the puzzle

We have colloquial saying … whites say " if your light (Asian etc) you are Ight if your brown ( Hispanic/spanish etc) you can stick around and if you are Black stay back

And the colorism has everyone's mindset messed up in America or around the world doesn't matter if it's Indian or the Philippines or Argentina

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This trope is tiresome.

going4roses said:

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Truthful facts bother you so much … sorry I didn't drink y'all kool aid. Awfully detailed be a lie don't you think

Which part exactly is incorrect? How ? What empirical evidence do you have to dispute my factual data ? Racist Twitter accounts do not count .

Put up or shut your trap

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Grammar and spelling bother you so much ...