You understood enough to get the gist to the point of being upset enough to respond huh lol
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
Was kirk a racist or not ?
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going4roses said:
You understood enough to get the gist to the point of being upset enough to respond huh lol
You understood enough to get the gist to the point of being upset enough to respond huh lol
" A part of the trick is to devilishly get you to debate things that shouldn't be debatable…"
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
going4roses said:
Truthful facts bother you so much … sorry I didn't drink y'all kool aid. Awfully detailed be a lie don't you think
Which part exactly is incorrect? How ? What empirical evidence do you have to dispute my factual data ? Racist Twitter accounts do not count .
Put up or shut your trap
Not everything is about race, pure and simple. Your struggles today aren't because of anybody's great great grandpappy.
See that's where you miss the whole plot everything in Amerikkka is interwoven with Race/Racism … there is no America without Racism it's the foundational build block.
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
socaltownie said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.
THIS!!!!
And you can also usually see that especially when a "wave" migration how much backlash there is. I love listening to right wingers with Italian surnames spout off cause I know my history and how much persecution/discrimenation they faced. Ditto the Irish. Ditto the Poles. Ditto the Germans. Even the scots.
The best ethnography I have seen says generation 3. The original immigrants cling to the old ways and usually their kids, as a matter of necessity, are bilingual and usually adopt elements of both cultures. The grandkids though are usually essentially assimilated into the "full" culture.
Fun fact. You actually see that a LOT in Southern California. BOTH in Mexican American AND Vietnamese American neighborhoods. 20-30 years ago a ton of signage JUST in mother tongues. Now if you drive around these same neighborhoods, a lot less. Another fun fact - since about 2010-2015 net migration from Mexico is negative. The wave currently experiencing was from other Latin American countries. Part of the shift to Trump was Mexican american backlash about THESE immigrants. If I had a grad student working on these questions I would totally pitch them on checking out the hypothesis that some of this is that using the asylum system is seen as a different immigrant story than crossing the border illegally - which often is still told 3 generations later in Mexican american families.
"Old ways' is doing a lot of work in these posting. If you're simply referencing language and culture/customs (notably food), then of course you're correct.
What is materially different in the last 30-60 years is that many (by no means all) immigrants seem to come to America with very negative views of America and western values. Over one hundred years ago, my family came to the US seeking refuge from genocidal pogroms and other injustice. The first generation immigrants in my family retained their language, religion and many cultural practices, but could not have been more patriotic. Even though they faced hardship and discrimination at times, they never would have waved the flag of their native countries or, for that matter, suggested that the USA was anything less than the best place on earth. My grandparents (the second generation), specifically told me these stories and always instilled how grateful the first generation were for the USA.
Contrast that to Ilhan Omar (whose family came to the US fleeing genocide) and people of her ilk. She has nothing ice to say about the US and has, oddly, idealized her native country which remains embroiled in violence, famine, and all manner of social unrest. And there is an express rejection of assimilation. The left literally considers it a a microaggression (or worse) to advocate for assimilation.
As a thought experiment, imagine an immigrant from the US to a foreign country (France, UK, Japan, Mexico etc.). It would be unfathomable for that person to march in Paris, Tokyo, Mexico City, or London, protesting domestic policies, all while waiving a USA flag. Yet we see things like that in the US all the time. Why?
HawaiiBear33 said:socaltownie said:HawaiiBear33 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.
Not alwaysThe Muslim mayor of Dearborn, Michigan just told a Christian resident he was not welcome in the town.
— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) September 17, 2025
Are you waking up yet?
pic.twitter.com/akUNyVEzfT
86 Sharia "courts" in UK.
Did you listen to the clip? Apparently the guy shows up at EVERY meeting and spouts off about muslims destroying his city.
God I hate our politics. Just a LITTLE research would put that comment in context.
Interesting that you think that justifies the invasion. Sharia will follow just like all throughout Europe.
Sharia is in every Muslim dominant country, mostly as actual law and only in pockets. Polygamy is legal in all but 2 Muslim countries.
Are there evil Christian's? Of course
Are the absolutely wonderful Muslims? Of course
Will the peaceful Muslims get dominated by the bloodthirsty ones who are in a constant state of jihad until the whole world is Muslim? Well that is the historical pattern
Any theology majors? Please set me straight if I'm way off
Category
Countries
Full Sharia legal system
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan (Taliban rule), Mauritania, Sudan (partial, esp. post-2021)
Sharia governs all/most aspects of law, including criminal law.
Hybrid systems (Sharia + civil law, strong Sharia influence)
Pakistan, Yemen, Brunei
Civil codes exist, but Sharia is constitutionally central and used in criminal/family law.
Family/personal status law only
Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Somalia, Djibouti, Comoros, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Maldives, Nigeria (northern 12 states)
Sharia governs marriage, divorce, inheritance, custody; criminal/civil law usually secular/codified.
Symbolic or limited reference
Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman
Constitutions cite Sharia as "a source" or "the principal source" of law; in practice, mostly civil/commercial codes with Sharia for family issues.
Secular (little or no Sharia in law)
Turkey, Albania, Kosovo, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan
Legal systems are secular; Sharia may be followed privately in family/religious matters, not enforced by the state.
Hmmm....not really seeing the universality of it.
Moreover, Sharia has significant variations. This comes down to the difference between Sharia (gods law) and Fiqh - man's interpretation. So, for example, while the Koran prohibits usuary you can find modern interest charging banking system in many muslim countries and "work arounds" even in places like Saudia Ararbia. In places like Egypt Sharia has a significant impact on family law and almost no influence on criminal.
One of the worst deeds done to Maga is allowing Fox to take the worst excesses from the Taliban and RURAL Saudi Arabia and implying that this defines islamic law.
To be honest I am much more scared of the clips I saw from today's funeral. That is an intolerant form of christianity that is very very VERY far removed from the Gospels, that form the heart of my belief.
White nationalist version of Christianity
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
socaltownie said:HawaiiBear33 said:socaltownie said:HawaiiBear33 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
History shows that immigrants of all stripes tend to hold on to their old ways when they move to America. It's their children and grandchildren that assimilate into American society.
Not alwaysThe Muslim mayor of Dearborn, Michigan just told a Christian resident he was not welcome in the town.
— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) September 17, 2025
Are you waking up yet?
pic.twitter.com/akUNyVEzfT
86 Sharia "courts" in UK.
Did you listen to the clip? Apparently the guy shows up at EVERY meeting and spouts off about muslims destroying his city.
God I hate our politics. Just a LITTLE research would put that comment in context.
Interesting that you think that justifies the invasion. Sharia will follow just like all throughout Europe.
Sharia is in every Muslim dominant country, mostly as actual law and only in pockets. Polygamy is legal in all but 2 Muslim countries.
Are there evil Christian's? Of course
Are the absolutely wonderful Muslims? Of course
Will the peaceful Muslims get dominated by the bloodthirsty ones who are in a constant state of jihad until the whole world is Muslim? Well that is the historical pattern
Any theology majors? Please set me straight if I'm way off
Category
Countries
Full Sharia legal system
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan (Taliban rule), Mauritania, Sudan (partial, esp. post-2021)
Sharia governs all/most aspects of law, including criminal law.
Hybrid systems (Sharia + civil law, strong Sharia influence)
Pakistan, Yemen, Brunei
Civil codes exist, but Sharia is constitutionally central and used in criminal/family law.
Family/personal status law only
Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Somalia, Djibouti, Comoros, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Maldives, Nigeria (northern 12 states)
Sharia governs marriage, divorce, inheritance, custody; criminal/civil law usually secular/codified.
Symbolic or limited reference
Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman
Constitutions cite Sharia as "a source" or "the principal source" of law; in practice, mostly civil/commercial codes with Sharia for family issues.
Secular (little or no Sharia in law)
Turkey, Albania, Kosovo, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan
Legal systems are secular; Sharia may be followed privately in family/religious matters, not enforced by the state.
Hmmm....not really seeing the universality of it.
Moreover, Sharia has significant variations. This comes down to the difference between Sharia (gods law) and Fiqh - man's interpretation. So, for example, while the Koran prohibits usuary you can find modern interest charging banking system in many muslim countries and "work arounds" even in places like Saudia Ararbia. In places like Egypt Sharia has a significant impact on family law and almost no influence on criminal.
One of the worst deeds done to Maga is allowing Fox to take the worst excesses from the Taliban and RURAL Saudi Arabia and implying that this defines islamic law.
To be honest I am much more scared of the clips I saw from today's funeral. That is an intolerant form of christianity that is very very VERY far removed from the Gospels, that form the heart of my belief.
You have provided interesting and somewhat relevant information, but not addressed the fundamental questions.
Does political Islam seek to impose Sharia that is incompatible with modern western laws and values? If the answer is yes (i.e., they are incompatible), then should we be accepting temporary or permanent immigrants who hold those views?
going4roses said:
See that's where you miss the whole plot everything in Amerikkka is interwoven with Race/Racism … there is no America without Racism it's the foundational build block.
Good lord. Half the country went to war, and won,
to make sure that wasn't a foundational block of America. You have every single right that any other American has. You do not live in a racist society. The fact that you are able to go to Cal proves that. The fact that you, assuming here, have a job proves that. The fact you get to vote, proves that. The sooner you get past the past, as awful as it was, the better off and happier you will be
going4roses said:
White nationalist version of Christianity
It is something. The focus on personal gratification and the glorification of it comes straight out of the prosperity gospel. The idea of big daddy god and a not a lot of focus on free will is evangelical/born Then you add this puritanical aspect that is ultra-conservative catholics.
I think the white nationalist label gets thrown around a bit too much. There were brown and black faces in the crowd (not a lot but a few) so I think the unaffiliated mega church vibes are what bind them together. And note that is one of the things the critics miss - evangelicals have always the idea of sinners being born again. Trumps trangressions are a feature, not a bug.
Those brown n black faces are white underneath … their main purpose is white proximity/ white adulation it stems from a place of self hate. They believe if they hate my own kind enough and fully capitulate they will be accepted as equal which we all know good and full will never happen.
Meritorious manumission act in 1710 is where it originated from
Meritorious manumission act in 1710 is where it originated from
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
going4roses said:
See that's where you miss the whole plot everything in Amerikkka is interwoven with Race/Racism … there is no America without Racism it's the foundational build block.
Since there is no America without Racism, are you being a patriot and saving America by inventing racism whenever and wherever you can?
going4roses said:
Those brown n black faces are white underneath … their main purpose is white proximity/ white adulation it stems from a place of self hate. They believe if they hate my own kind enough and fully capitulate they will be accepted as equal which we all know good and full will never happen.
Meritorious manumission act in 1710 is where it originated from
This is a sad perspective. I weep that you feel this way.
BearGoggles said:
Contrast that to Ilhan Omar (whose family came to the US fleeing genocide) and people of her ilk. She has nothing ice to say about the US and has, oddly, idealized her native country which remains embroiled in violence, famine, and all manner of social unrest. And there is an express rejection of assimilation. The left literally considers it a a microaggression (or worse) to advocate for assimilation.
This is an interesting description of Ilhan Omar, because whatever you may think of her politics, she actively took part in what is probably the most assimilatory of actions: to actually run for office and participate in the American system of government. Strange thing to do for someone who hates the country.
I’ve sat through over 50 hours of Charlie Kirk’s videos as an ethnically Black American.
— A Gene Robinson (@AlBuffalo2nite) September 21, 2025
Not one racist word.
Not 1.
What Democrats do is cut snippets, strip context, and shove sound bites at the same gullible slob audience too lazy to fact-check.
That isn’t exposing…
How many of you watched any Kirk videos?
sycasey said:BearGoggles said:
Contrast that to Ilhan Omar (whose family came to the US fleeing genocide) and people of her ilk. She has nothing ice to say about the US and has, oddly, idealized her native country which remains embroiled in violence, famine, and all manner of social unrest. And there is an express rejection of assimilation. The left literally considers it a a microaggression (or worse) to advocate for assimilation.
This is an interesting description of Ilhan Omar, because whatever you may think of her politics, she actively took part in what is probably the most assimilatory of actions: to actually run for office and participate in the American system of government. Strange thing to do for someone who hates the country.
What better way to destroy American values? Get power.
The REAL thing that was most assimilating was having a Caucasian BF
JawaiiBear33 said:
How many of you watched any Kirk videos?
I remember his tweet where he tried to give his opinion as a BLACK MAN ... but forgot to change the account in which he wrote it in. He was still logged in as Charlie Kirk.
"As a black man, I think Charlie Kirk is great!"
LMFAO!
Countless young black men and women across this country are realizing that the Democratic party has been lying to them their whole lives by simply going back and listening to Charlie Kirk videos for themselves
— Vince Langman (@LangmanVince) September 22, 2025
This is truly a turning point! pic.twitter.com/QQxB75eTO3
When you go the the phd level of racism like g4r you just lose touch with current reality
DiabloWags said:JawaiiBear33 said:
How many of you watched any Kirk videos?
I remember his tweet where he tried to give his opinion as a BLACK MAN ... but forgot to change the account in which he wrote it in. He was still logged in as Charlie Kirk.
"As a black man, I think Charlie Kirk is great!"
LMFAO!
Link it or it didn't happen
I wish everyone calling Kirk and MAGA Nazis and fascists got to be in that room today. pic.twitter.com/hFuHQKIYPQ
— Kaizen D. Asiedu (@thatsKAIZEN) September 22, 2025
HawaiiBear33 said:sycasey said:BearGoggles said:
Contrast that to Ilhan Omar (whose family came to the US fleeing genocide) and people of her ilk. She has nothing ice to say about the US and has, oddly, idealized her native country which remains embroiled in violence, famine, and all manner of social unrest. And there is an express rejection of assimilation. The left literally considers it a a microaggression (or worse) to advocate for assimilation.
This is an interesting description of Ilhan Omar, because whatever you may think of her politics, she actively took part in what is probably the most assimilatory of actions: to actually run for office and participate in the American system of government. Strange thing to do for someone who hates the country.
What better way to destroy American values? Get power.
The REAL thing that was most assimilating was having a Caucasian BF
Okay, so seems like she is assimilating pretty well.
I think something conservatives have trouble understanding is that folks on the left don't necessarily see "criticizing America" as "hating America." The basic underlying idea is that we think the place can be improved over what it was before.
“So do you think I’m a white supremacist?” pic.twitter.com/cogAXKlZ7G
— sᥕᥱᥱ𝗍 𝗍һіᥒg❤️🔥 (@55SweetThing) September 21, 2025
Is Kirk a white supremacist?
lol
white supremacy no absolutely not
But white depravity yes indeed
white supremacy no absolutely not
But white depravity yes indeed
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
oski003 said:going4roses said:
Those brown n black faces are white underneath … their main purpose is white proximity/ white adulation it stems from a place of self hate. They believe if they hate my own kind enough and fully capitulate they will be accepted as equal which we all know good and full will never happen.
Meritorious manumission act in 1710 is where it originated from
This is a sad perspective. I weep that you feel this way.
He hates his own kind more than the "racist" white people
DiabloWags said:JawaiiBear33 said:
How many of you watched any Kirk videos?
I remember his tweet where he tried to give his opinion as a BLACK MAN ... but forgot to change the account in which he wrote it in. He was still logged in as Charlie Kirk.
"As a black man, I think Charlie Kirk is great!"
LMFAO!
What does that have to do with the post you replied to?
So pompous of you to assume what I think . Do better you are dead wrong because you lack the bandwidth to comprehend the dynamics
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
sycasey said:BearGoggles said:
Contrast that to Ilhan Omar (whose family came to the US fleeing genocide) and people of her ilk. She has nothing ice to say about the US and has, oddly, idealized her native country which remains embroiled in violence, famine, and all manner of social unrest. And there is an express rejection of assimilation. The left literally considers it a a microaggression (or worse) to advocate for assimilation.
This is an interesting description of Ilhan Omar, because whatever you may think of her politics, she actively took part in what is probably the most assimilatory of actions: to actually run for office and participate in the American system of government. Strange thing to do for someone who hates the country.
Ilhan Omar only hates two-thirds of the country.
going4roses said:
See that's where you miss the whole plot everything in Amerikkka is interwoven with Race/Racism … there is no America without Racism it's the foundational build block.
The country twice elected a black man for president who probably believes what you believe.
PAC-10-BEAR said:sycasey said:BearGoggles said:
Contrast that to Ilhan Omar (whose family came to the US fleeing genocide) and people of her ilk. She has nothing ice to say about the US and has, oddly, idealized her native country which remains embroiled in violence, famine, and all manner of social unrest. And there is an express rejection of assimilation. The left literally considers it a a microaggression (or worse) to advocate for assimilation.
This is an interesting description of Ilhan Omar, because whatever you may think of her politics, she actively took part in what is probably the most assimilatory of actions: to actually run for office and participate in the American system of government. Strange thing to do for someone who hates the country.
Ilhan Omar only hates two-thirds of the country.
Exactly. She came to a country which offered her asylum as a safe haven and now she thinks that country is intrinsically bad (not just flawed) while celebrating the virtues of the country she left.
Again, imagine an American immigrating to France and then campaigning against all the ills of French politics/culture. We know how that would be received - not well.
lol you got jokes
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
I do statistics and econometrics and not criminology but this is really interesting work using a large "n" dataset and will br of interest to people both left and right. Be interested in others takes.
https://www.prb.org/resources/surprising-social-factors-linked-to-racial-and-ethnic-disparities-in-youth-violence-in-the-u-s/
(Ps. My own taste is for debates to be about actual data rathet than insults and rheotrical gotchas)
https://www.prb.org/resources/surprising-social-factors-linked-to-racial-and-ethnic-disparities-in-youth-violence-in-the-u-s/
(Ps. My own taste is for debates to be about actual data rathet than insults and rheotrical gotchas)
going4roses said:
So pompous of you to assume what I think . Do better you are dead wrong because you lack the bandwidth to comprehend the dynamics
Write better then. Thanks.
Is this a message board or English 1B ?
Blame the drunk cop that hit me head on at age 14 on my motorcycle and tried to blame it on me.
2 yrs to rehab physically/learning how to walk
4 -5 yrs to rehab from the brain damage
Blame the drunk cop that hit me head on at age 14 on my motorcycle and tried to blame it on me.
2 yrs to rehab physically/learning how to walk
4 -5 yrs to rehab from the brain damage
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
going4roses said:
Is this a message board or English 1B ?
Blame the drunk cop that hit me head on at age 14 on my motorcycle and tried to blame it on me.
2 yrs to rehab physically/learning how to walk
4 -5 yrs to rehab from the brain damage
Was this cop white? We might finally be starting to get the bottom of this.
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