Was Tom Holmoe a Mormon? I like it, very solid moral men leading our athletes. Cannot go wrong there. Kind of crazy, Romney is rejected by the country as president, but ultra-liberal Berkeley hires a Mormon coach. I know those two things have absolutely nothing in common, it's just fascinating to me that a strong Mormon could be the football coach at CAL. Coach McIntyre is also a very strong Evangelical Christian. I will take either of these guys any day over Bobby Petrino when it comes to leading our young men. Need to be great coaches too of course.

bearblast;842024384 said:

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Was Tom Holmoe a Mormon? I like it, very solid moral men leading our athletes. Cannot go wrong there. Kind of crazy, Romney is rejected by the country as president, but ultra-liberal Berkeley hires a Mormon coach. I know those two things have absolutely nothing in common, it's just fascinating to me that a strong Mormon could be the football coach at CAL. Coach McIntyre is also a very strong Evangelical Christian. I will take either of these guys any day over Bobby Petrino when it comes to leading our young men. Need to be great coaches too of course.

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Holmoe is indeed Mormon which helps to explain why he's AD at BYU now.

Check out the Mormon Temple in Oakland.

I'm fairly certain he is not an active LDS. In fact, I think he is actually Catholic.

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a liberal Democrat who's Mitt Romney's arch-enemy and who once called freshman U.S. Sen. Barack Obama to his office to urge him to run for president, is also a Mormon.


Also a Mormon: The woman responsible for this:

socaliganbear;842024396 said:

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I'm fairly certain he is not an active LDS. In fact, I think he is actually Catholic.

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Are you saying Wikipedia lied to me?!

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/46955/BYU-introduces-new-athletic-director.html

This is an article I found elsewhere that seems to support that he's Mormon.

StillNoStanfurdium;842024403 said:

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Are you saying Wikipedia lied to me?!

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/46955/BYU-introduces-new-athletic-director.html

This is an article I found elsewhere that seems to support that he's Mormon.

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Oh no, Tom clearly is. Gary isn't.

bearblast;842024384 said:

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Was Tom Holmoe a Mormon? I like it, very solid moral men leading our athletes. Cannot go wrong there. Kind of crazy, Romney is rejected by the country as president, but ultra-liberal Berkeley hires a Mormon coach. I know those two things have absolutely nothing in common, it's just fascinating to me that a strong Mormon could be the football coach at CAL. Coach McIntyre is also a very strong Evangelical Christian. I will take either of these guys any day over Bobby Petrino when it comes to leading our young men. Need to be great coaches too of course.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think most people who didn't vote for Romney specifically rejected him because of his religion.

Similarly, I don't think anyone at Cal would be hiring Anderson or McIntyre because of or despite their religious beliefs. As for Holmoe (who was LDS I think), his religion was not one of the numerous reasons he was a terrible coach.

I have no problem whatsoever with the religion of any of the above people. I also would have no problem with either Anderson or McIntyre as potential Cal head coaches, though my dream choice is you know who in Boise and there are others probably higher on my wish list too. Similarly, I trust you would have no problem with a great head coach and leader of young men who happened to be Jewish or Muslim or Atheist and would think that would be "cool" too.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think most people who didn't vote for Romney specifically rejected him because of his religion.

Similarly, I don't think anyone at Cal would be hiring Anderson or McIntyre because of or despite their religious beliefs. As for Holmoe (who was LDS I think), his religion was not one of the numerous reasons he was a terrible coach.

I have no problem whatsoever with the religion of any of the above people. I also would have no problem with either Anderson or McIntyre as potential Cal head coaches, though my dream choice is you know who in Boise and there are others probably higher on my wish list too. Similarly, I trust you would have no problem with a great head coach and leader of young men who happened to be Jewish or Muslim or Atheist and would think that would be "cool" too.

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i was with you up to the atheist part.

bearblast;842024415 said:

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i was with you up to the atheist part.

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Ok. Thanks for clarifying your opinion.

Yeah, religion shouldn't matter.

There was no fuss over Tedford being a Muslim.

I really don't think a coach's religion or lack thereof is relevant --positively or negatively -- unless it somehow directly affects their coaching, which I hope it wouldn't.

The makeup of people in the Cal football program is quite different than that of folks in the rest of the University community, as evidenced by the on-field prayers at the end of games.

Don't confuse "very religious" with necessarily being "moral" and I'm talking about ANY religion. Take Mormons, for example. I have worked with a LOT of Mormons and have found them, by and large, to be wonderful people. On the other hand, I have some non-Mormon relatives in Salt Lake City and have listened to a number of stories about people in the LDS church that would absolutely call these particular folks's morality into question. (The Mormons in the stories, not all Mormons.)

BTW, just in case Petersen is not interested, the SJS coach spells his name "MacIntyre" and your buddy spells his name "Andersen".

okaydo;842024419 said:

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yeah, religion shouldn't matter.

There was no fuss over tedford being a muslim.

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lol

bearblast;842024415 said:

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i was with you up to the atheist part.

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So, for you, belief in God is one of the prerequisites for being the next Cal coach?

bearblast;842024384 said:

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Was Tom Holmoe a Mormon? I like it, very solid moral men leading our athletes. Cannot go wrong there. Kind of crazy, Romney is rejected by the country as president, but ultra-liberal Berkeley hires a Mormon coach. I know those two things have absolutely nothing in common, it's just fascinating to me that a strong Mormon could be the football coach at CAL. Coach McIntyre is also a very strong Evangelical Christian. I will take either of these guys any day over Bobby Petrino when it comes to leading our young men. Need to be great coaches too of course.

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Tom Holmoe converted from Lutheran to Mormonism. "Berkeley Football?" Get your terminology right and you'd have more credibility. Walk through the donors lot at a Cal Football game and you'll see Romney bumper stickers and 0 Obama. The city of Berkeley is a lot different than the University and the folks that donate big bucks with the exception of the Haas' and Goldmans are, in fact, Republicans.

Big C_Cal;842024426 said:

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So, for you, belief in God is one of the prerequisites for being the next Cal coach?

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no, just a belief that there is a God. I have never met an atheist without an agenda to eradicate the idea of God from other people's minds. A true atheist would probably prohibit players from kneeling and praying, because they are offended by the idea that anyone believes in a God. Just my opinion. I have found that a religious man, Jew, catholic, christian, mormon, tends to be far more tolerant than an atheist. By the way, is everyone aware that Cal has a Christian team chaplain that travels with the team on the schools dime. I think that is a great thing, he is a counselor to the young men who need someone to talk to.

anyone that thinks that because someone is a particular religion they are automatically 'moral' is an idiot. there are a bunch of religious people out there and to generalize them all into one category is stupid, same goes for non-religious people.

barabbas;842024427 said:

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Tom Holmoe converted from Lutheran to Mormonism. "Berkeley Football?" Get your terminology right and you'd have more credibility. Walk through the donors lot at a Cal Football game and you'll see Romney bumper stickers and 0 Obama. The city of Berkeley is a lot different than the University and the folks that donate big bucks with the exception of the Haas' and Goldmans are, in fact, Republicans.

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my use of 'Berkeley football' was by choice, just trying to connect the liberal academic and university atmosphere to the idea of a conservative 'Mormon' coach. Like I said, i like the idea of a religious coach who models character to our young men.

bearblast;842024415 said:

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i was with you up to the atheist part.

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So you don't want an atheist for a coach and I don't want a prejudiced prick as a coach. Guess we're even.

Also wondering how many stereotypical assumptions/judgments one poster can make in a thread.

I pray to god daily to save us from his nut-job followers. Case in point: starts with an O and ends in a P.

golden sloth;842024444 said:

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anyone that thinks that because someone is a particular religion they are automatically 'moral' is an idiot. there are a bunch of religious people out there and to generalize them all into one category is stupid, same goes for non-religious people.

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True, but the probability of morality is hihger with someone who holds to a belief in God than with an atheist.

bearblast;842024439 said:

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I have found that a religious man, Jew, catholic, christian, mormon, tends to be far more tolerant than an atheist.

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Yet you are the one trying to base hiring on religious belief.

MolecularBear007;842024449 said:

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I pray to god daily to save us from his nut-job followers. Case in point: starts with an O and ends in a P.

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:bravo

golden sloth;842024444 said:

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anyone that thinks that because someone is a particular religion they are automatically 'moral' is an idiot. there are a bunch of religious people out there and to generalize them all into one category is stupid, same goes for non-religious people.

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:bravo, too.

OaktownBear;842024453 said:

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Yet you are the one trying to base hiring on religious belief.

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When i hire someone it's based on competency, character and chemistry with their peers. You hire based on proven character over time, I'm just saying that atheists tend to be angry people who use name calling instead of intellect to influence situations. Can anyone name a professed atheist who is a leader of men and a championship caliber coach? Not saying there are none, I'm just not aware.

bearblast;842024451 said:

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True, but the probability of morality is hihger with someone who holds to a belief in God than with an atheist.

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How much higher? A lot?

bearblast;842024451 said:

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True, but the probability of morality is hihger with someone who holds to a belief in God than with an atheist.

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i'm going to have to see facts before i believe this statement.

personally, i dont really care if the next head coach is religious or not, primarily because i dont think that fact/characteristic/belief determines whether he can:

a) help kids reach their full potential on and off the field
b) win football games
c) not shame the school

bearblast;842024459 said:

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When i hire someone it's based on competency, character and chemistry with their peers. You hire based on proven character over time, I'm just saying that atheists tend to be angry people who use name calling instead of intellect to influence situations. Can anyone name a professed atheist who is a leader of men and a championship caliber coach? Not saying there are none, I'm just not aware.

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I imagine there are lots of people like yourself who have biases against people who don't wear their religion on their sleeve, so you're not really likely to know who the actual atheists in the coaching profession are or they wouldn't have gotten hired in the first place. As far as being leaders of men, I guess you're contrasting atheists with religious leaders who tend to be leaders of sheep.

(I don't mean to be harsh on religious people; I grew up in church and still go on occasion. Your stereotyping of atheists though is just ridiculous.)

Pat Tillman was an Athiest, and I would call him a leader of men...

golden sloth;842024462 said:

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i'm going to have to see facts before i believe this statement.

personally, i dont really care if the next head coach is religious or not, primarily because i dont think that fact/characteristic/belief determines whether he can:

a) help kids reach their full potential on and off the field
b) win football games
c) not shame the school

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you have said it right. He does not need to be religious, but not being religious is different than being an atheist. He can ignore or neglect God all he wants and still win us a Rose Bowl. But an atheist is an activist, he seeks to eradicate belief in God by others. An agnostic is fine, but not an atheist, he will not be able to concentrate on football because the religious kids on the team will drive him crazy.

Veering dangerously into off-topic forum territory...

yellerbear;842024468 said:

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Veering dangerously into off-topic forum territory...

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yep, all done, GO BEARS

bearblast;842024451 said:

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True, but the probability of morality is hihger with someone who holds to a belief in God than with an atheist.

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That's not "morality" that's "following rules out of fear or blind obedience."

What poppycock. You live your life according to the things you're told on Sunday morning, and you have the temerity to call people immoral who do the same things just because they think it's, well, morally right.

News flash for theists and deists: You can't all be right.

bearblast;842024467 said:

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you have said it right. He does not need to be religious, but not being religious is different than being an atheist. He can ignore or neglect God all he wants and still win us a Rose Bowl. But an atheist is an activist, he seeks to eradicate belief in God by others. An agnostic is fine, but not an atheist, he will not be able to concentrate on football because the religious kids on the team will drive him crazy.

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You have some really weird ideas. When was the last time an atheist rang your doorbell at dinnertime to give you some pamphlets and spread the lack of a Gospel?

bearblast;842024459 said:

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When i hire someone it's based on competency, character and chemistry with their peers. You hire based on proven character over time, I'm just saying that atheists tend to be angry people who use name calling instead of intellect to influence situations. Can anyone name a professed atheist who is a leader of men and a championship caliber coach? Not saying there are none, I'm just not aware.

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Maybe people get angry when you call them morally inferior, intolerant, angry people who don't use their intellect based on knowing nothing about them except their religious beliefs. (no name calling there) Maybe that is why they call you names.

You say you hire based on competency, character and chemistry with peers, and then you define all atheists as lacking 2 of those characteristics, so you can conveniently define them as unqualified. You might as say you aren't prejudiced against minorities, you just want to hire hard workers and certain minorities tend to be lazy.

Meanwhile, you think it would be cool to hire the coach with the 28-31 head coaching record because he's mormon.