bearblast;842024451 said:

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True, but the probability of morality is hihger with someone who holds to a belief in God than with an atheist.

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Got any evidence to back up that assertion or are we just going to spit bullsh!t in this thread? Either you're a troll or an idiot or both.

in before trash talk

bearblast;842024467 said:

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you have said it right. He does not need to be religious, but not being religious is different than being an atheist. He can ignore or neglect God all he wants and still win us a Rose Bowl. But an atheist is an activist, he seeks to eradicate belief in God by others. An agnostic is fine, but not an atheist, he will not be able to concentrate on football because the religious kids on the team will drive him crazy.

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Where is activism in the definition of atheist? An atheist doesn't believe in god. Most atheists don't care what people of other religious beliefs believe in and spend no time whatsoever trying to eradicate belief in god by others. Frankly, what do you think people who spread the word of god are doing but trying to eradicate atheist belief by others?

Religious people don't drive atheists crazy. Religious people who don't respect their rights to believe what they wish to believe drive atheists crazy. Which pretty much makes atheists like anyone else. How do you feel about people that make assumptions about you and judge you negatively because of your religious beliefs?

I sure hope you all have your spiritual lives in order!

BearyWhite;842024470 said:

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That's not "morality" that's "following rules out of fear or blind obedience."

What poppycock. You live your life according to the things you're told on Sunday morning, and you have the temerity to call people immoral who do the same things just because they think it's, well, morally right.

News flash for theists and deists: You can't all be right.


You have some really weird ideas. When was the last time an atheist rang your doorbell at dinnertime to give you some pamphlets and spread the lack of a Gospel?

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They are too busy suing schools for graduation invocations to be going to door to door. The only 'immorality' of an atheist that bothers me is their hell bent passion to stop other people from expression belief in a God. A TRUE atheist is an activist, you can't have an activist as a coach.

Chapman_is_Gone;842024481 said:

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I sure hope you all have your spiritual lives in order!

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What do you mean have your spiritual lives in order?

LOL

bearblast;842024483 said:

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They are too busy suing schools for graduation invocations to be going to door to door. The only 'immorality' of an atheist that bothers me is their hell bent passion to stop other people from expression belief in a God. A TRUE atheist is an activist, you can't have an activist as a coach.

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In case you didn't figure it out, I'm an atheist. I'm just curious. Is there an atheist bible I missed out on, because you seem to be aware of some required doctrinal rules to being atheist that I missed out on.

You know why I'm atheist? Because I was raised without religion. I use science and philosophy to explain my universe because that was the worldview I was exposed to. Within that worldview, I don't see the evidence for god. Therefore, I don't believe in a god. Others believe in god. That is okay by me. I've read the whole bible. Philosophically, I find the concept of Jesus interesting and moving and I respect the appeal of Christianity.

I don't care if you say "under god" in the pledge and I scoff at the very small percentage of militant atheists who make an issue out of it. I think it is ridiculous that my kids specifically don't sing Christmas songs in school. I generally go out of my way to not change people's religious beliefs.

Also, my wife is Christian. My children are Christian. Baptized and everything with my wholehearted approval. A baptism, by the way, that was well attended by my atheist family. I attend church with my wife and kids. I teach my kids to respect that teaching. (On the extremely rare occasion that intolerance comes across their path, I will point out it is not what our family believes in, though my wife will usually beat me to the punch.) In fact, my kids just recently became aware that I was not Christian because my wife let it slip, thinking they already knew. Such is the level of my quest to eradicate religion from our society.

I'm an atheist. Neither proud nor ashamed. You don't get to define what it means to be atheist. Being an atheist is not about hate. I don't care what religion you practice and I'm sure there are plenty of great people within your religion. I'd even guess you are one of them. But what you've said tonight is deeply offensive and if it makes me an angry ole atheist to say that, so be it.

bearblast;842024483 said:

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They are too busy suing schools for graduation invocations to be going to door to door. The only 'immorality' of an atheist that bothers me is their hell bent passion to stop other people from expression belief in a God. A TRUE atheist is an activist, you can't have an activist as a coach.

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No, a "TRUE" atheist is not an activist, that's just nonsense. (Some religions on the other hand -- LDS comes to mind -- require or encourage proselytizing.) There are a few atheists who are active in trying to keep public resources non-denominational, but the idea that they're actively trying to "eradicate belief of God in others" is equally nonsensical. (Notice that you just shifted from "eradicate belief" to "stop expression of belief" which is significantly different, although they're both equally untrue.)

OaktownBear;842024491 said:

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In case you didn't figure it out, I'm an atheist. I'm just curious. Is there an atheist bible I missed out on, because you seem to be aware of some required doctrinal rules to being atheist that I missed out on.... I don't care what religion you practice and I'm sure there are plenty of great people within your religion. I'd even guess you are one of them. But what you've said tonight is deeply offensive and if it makes me an angry ole atheist to say that, so be it.

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In a similar vein.. I grew up in a churchgoing family; my mom's born-again and my dad just likes singing in the choir. Christmas tunes make me happy, and I go to church several times a year. I love the sense of community and history. I just don't believe in God. I think faith would be a very comforting thing to have; I don't have it. I like the Bible and enjoy talking about it with people of faith; I find that there's a comfortable common ground where people can talk about the stories without discussing whether they're literally true. I can't imagine wanting to argue with someone about their faith; it's not an argument I'd ever want to win. Faith is a wonderful thing to have; like OB I find it offensive that someone blessed with it would make such nasty generalizations about those who aren't.

A huge part of being a successful coach is taking a group of individuals, diverse in more ways than I can count and getting them to work together, pull together and sacrifice as a team. If MacIntyre, Andersen or whoever has gotten to the point where he is being considered for the head job at a major school, then he has learned if not mastered this concept. Being a Christian, I believe my faith would be very helpful in such an endeavor but it is not a job requirement. Vince Lombardi was as devout as they come - attended Mass every morning before work. Jimmy Johnson appeared to have a different set of priorities but he also won two Super Bowls.

This discussion reminds me of a year or so ago, Tubberville at Tech made some very controversial comments criticizing President Obama. I had guys who know a lot about football telling me he would never be able to recruit black athletes again. My response - he has spent a career in the South getting black and white players to come together and excel as a team - he knows more about race relations than most any of us - his livelihood depends on it.

Same sort of logic here, whatever the beliefs or values of these guys, they have used them to their advantage to go 10-2 at places where 2-10 is more the norm. If their beliefs were such that they singled out or mistreated a group of players based upon the religious beliefs of that group, they would not know the first thing about building a team.

bearblast;842024483 said:

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They are too busy suing schools for graduation invocations to be going to door to door. The only 'immorality' of an atheist that bothers me is their hell bent passion to stop other people from expression belief in a God. A TRUE atheist is an activist, you can't have an activist as a coach.

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You really like redefining words, don't you?

yellerbear;842024468 said:

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Veering dangerously into off-topic forum territory...

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Um ... This thread went off that cliff and down in the gully a long time ago ....

Atheist here.

does anyone know of any religious eradication meet up groups in the area? Ive been too busy hunting beagle puppies to look. Thanks

caligulabob

tommie317;842024484 said:

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What do you mean have your spiritual lives in order?

LOL

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Time to go to Boston Market.

OneKeg;842024409 said:

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I could be wrong, but I don't think most people who didn't vote for Romney specifically rejected him because of his religion.

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I haven't heard about or met anyone who cared about Mitt the Twit's "religion".
Twit was an unethical liar whose only concern was turning the country into a craven plutocracy.

Enough on the rapidly disappearing Twit Mitt.

This is a strange thread.

nicely said Beary. And come on, I'm sure there are plenty of God fearing Old Blues who have questioned the existence God every Jan. 1 since 1959...

Creating a religious free invocation isn't about being an atheist, its creating an atmosphere that doesn't focus on the religious beliefs of one particular group. Growing up in SoCal in the late 60's/70's, being a Jew in a Christmas play/celebration wasn't that enjoyable, but the few Jews that were there went along with it.
Fast forward to my kids, growing up in a heavily Jewish community outside of Philly, and to extent that the holidays were explored at all, it involved all groups(and mostly not at all.) We have solid Catholic, Christian and Jewish private schools, so that the religious based education is a viable option for those who desire God in their invocations.
My late father was the Jewish version of Oaktown Bear. The "more moral" comments would have left him shaking his head in disbelief. For Bearblast's sake, I'm glad that the Catholic Priest scandal hasn't been front page news of late, otherwise I think this thread would have gotten ugly.

I would like to see a Jew as coach because they are good with money and the athletic department would become rich.

awww...why did I get the hate NYC?

...to beyond a wing and a prayer.

Go Bears!

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mbBear;842024544 said:

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awww...why did I get the hate NYC?

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OH, NO!!! Sorry not you. This god awful thread.

GB54 - Al Golden is out there. Being a Jew myself, I'd suggest a MOT AD.

bearblast;842024415 said:

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i was with you up to the atheist part.

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Well, I guess that rules me out as a HC candidate. Mormon is "cool" and atheist is unacceptable. Got it.

atoms;842024548 said:

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Well, I guess that rules me out as a HC candidate. Mormon is "cool" and atheist is unacceptable. Got it.

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Me too.

Al Golden is Jewish? Didn't realize that when he was here at Temple...I think he is a great coach, not sure what the issue is at Miami...

Checklist for new coach: 1.winner; 2. see number 1. I dont see religion,faith, or atheism on the list.

Utexbear2;842024553 said:

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I believe that might be the dumbest thing I have ever seen written down.

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Don't worry BearBlast. I agree with you!

Our new coach could be a scientologist for all I care.

bearblast;842024439 said:

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no, just a belief that there is a God. I have never met an atheist without an agenda to eradicate the idea of God from other people's minds. A true atheist would probably prohibit players from kneeling and praying, because they are offended by the idea that anyone believes in a God. Just my opinion. I have found that a religious man, Jew, catholic, christian, mormon, tends to be far more tolerant than an atheist. By the way, is everyone aware that Cal has a Christian team chaplain that travels with the team on the schools dime. I think that is a great thing, he is a counselor to the young men who need someone to talk to.

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Some atheists are just as much zealots as folks who identify with a particular religion. Some atheists are very quiet, indeed, about their choice.

Do not assume that all atheists or even the majority of atheists want to eradicate God. It is possible, you know, that some atheists are more Christian than most folks who identify as Christian.

mbBear;842024554 said:

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Al Golden is Jewish? Didn't realize that when he was here at Temple...I think he is a great coach, not sure what the issue is at Miami...

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Actually, I'm not sure. I'd heard that he was, but can't confirm it. He went to Red Bank Catholic HS in New Jersey but that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't.

He was at Mem the day we beat the baby blues this year.

GB54;842024541 said:

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I would like to see a Jew as coach because they are good with money and the athletic department would become rich.

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Marv Levy was a good coach, but didn't work out for us. Maybe we can find the next Al Davis?--"Just win baby!"

Just to reiterate, Gary Anderson is not Mormon. If we're gonna start a thread about the benefits his religious beliefs bring to the program, at least get that much right.