Some musings about the Democratic Party's deep challenge

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In reply to Anarchistbear • 1:24p, 11/6/25
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tequila4kapp said:
EDIT: you are also incorrect when you assert that D's lack a cohesive narrative when they go big. AOC, Bernie and Planter are Socialists. You can't go much bigger than that. And that proves my point...the party just moves further left. For an alternative perspective on the rise of AOC, Mandami (and by extension Planter) and the state of the D party see today's article in Reason.

LOL. Sorry, but Republicans are ignorant when it comes to the Democratic Party and even more ignorant when it comes to socialism. If that feels too much like calling you an idiot instead of debating the topic, then so be it, but you don't know what you're talking about at all.

Real socialists want to seize the means of production away from private ownership. AOC and Bernie play ball with Democrats on way too many issues to be considered true socialists. That's just a lazy talking point that their opponents use. Plattner has to get elected before I can assess what he actually believes and what he says to be popular, especially since he comes from the upper middle class and not the working man persona he's cosplaying at. But mostly these people are just looking to expand the social safety net like FDR did in the 1930's, which is not socialism at all. To be blunt, FDR did that stuff to stave off socialism.

Meanwhile anybody who pays actual attention to the Democratic Party knows that well over 80% of the party is like this.



This is correct. Fiorella LaGuardia was a socialist mayor of New York. FDR's policies were largely socialist. The word has little meaning in contemporary politics being a victim of red scare politics and two political parties who are the first and second most capitalist parties in the world.

We could use some socialism and some communism

More on "the Democratic Party has gone too left." It was always the centrists who focused on identity politics to cover up their lack of an agenda. You talk about addressing economic issues, whether you're on the left or the right, and people will listen to you. Actually address some of those issues when you're in office and you'll win their loyalty.

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10:24a, 11/8/25
If this clown is among the frontrunners for '28, they're not going to go very far...
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:57a, 11/8/25
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If this clown is among the frontrunners for '28, they're going to go very far...

"Trashing" is a big stretch for what Pete actually said here.

Kate Willett is kind of a moron.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:18p, 11/8/25
He distanced himself from Mamdani.

No congratulations from Alfred E Neuman to the most publicized Democrat winner in these elections, and that is the reason:

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In reply to Cal88 • 1:18p, 11/8/25
Cal88 said:
He distanced himself from Mamdani.

Yes, and who cares? Mamdani is the winner in New York and appeals to the electorate there. He is not yet popular nationally. Pete is being rational here.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:21p, 11/8/25
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Cal88 said:
He distanced himself from Mamdani.

Yes, and who cares? Mamdani is the winner in New York and appeals to the electorate there. He is not yet popular nationally. Pete is being rational here.


Mamdani's message was essentially the populist message that helped Trump win both elections, that is actually a very popular message nationally, see also MTG.

The reason you are thinking it is not a popular message nationwide is because you are internalizing the smear campaign by the billionaires and their media foot soldiers.

Buttigig is just being a little b**** here, the guy has no spine, no charisma, and no real principles, he is a deadweight for the Democrats, like so many of their leading figures today.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:28p, 11/8/25
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
He distanced himself from Mamdani.

Yes, and who cares? Mamdani is the winner in New York and appeals to the electorate there. He is not yet popular nationally. Pete is being rational here.


Mamdani's message was essentially the populist message that helped Trump win both elections, that is actually a very popular message nationally, see also MTG.

The reason you are thinking it is not a popular message nationwide is because you are internalizing the smear campaign by the billionaires and their media foot soldiers.

Buttigig is just being a little b**** here, the guy has no spine, no charisma, and no real principles, he is a deadweight for the Democrats, like so many of their leading figures today.

No, I'm saying Mamdani is not popular nationally because he's not.

https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/can-democrats-actually-learn-anything

That has nothing to do with what I think. I like him. But the evidence is that he's not popular with a national electorate. I don't think that means he never will be, but he's not now. It's silly to expect non-NY politicians to have to embrace him now. Let's see how he does and if he can maintain his momentum.
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7:06a, 11/9/25
Mamdani is currently the one who's more oppressed.

He's the bigger victim and superior selection to be the face of the Democratic Party.
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12:54a, 11/10/25
The septuagenarians and octogenarians leading the Left have policies which repeatedly failed: Obamacare disaster; urban streets flooded with drug addicts, suburbs full of stoned unmotivated youth; SNAP payments double in two decades; and no plan for blue collar industries.

A large chunk of the Left rotates around the unproven Green New Scam, which juiced inflation and killed jobs; and identity politics / the opposition are racists & sexist - character assassination.

The Left believes they are morally superior, and they're not. Look at the moral and physical train wreck of gender reassignment for confused teenagers and children. Likely an after thought - after many approved of gay marriage, what was the new civil right? Draconian surgeries to healthy, confused young children; assigning them to medical supervision for life.

Growing welfare programs, unmonitored, unvetted, stacked on top of bloated bureaucracies stuffed with Liberal types devoid of evaluation and critique. Defund the police - which hammers retail and drives down tax revenues. Both sides quibble while our debt hurtles towards $40 Trillion, and neither side sees a war they don't like. Meanwhile, the Autopen Administration and Globalists usher in another 10 - 22 million uneducated, unvetted, low-skilled illegal immigrants just as techies roll out job-killing AI and at-home $20K robots.

Western Europe is the petri dish for these whacky policies on crack, and she's on the verge of civil war. The wealthy citizens and industries leave, Sharia Law and bigamy leads to swelling welfare rolls, and reported r*pes have jumped 500% to 1,000% in under three decades. Western Europe is now known for knife attacks and ghastly child gang r*pes and endless pimping - which authorities and MSM repeatedly cover up.

It is more than importing the 3rd World: modern amenities like cell phones, porn, and drugs have created a horrific Witches Brew. One New Year's Eve in Koln, Germany, over 1,200 girls and women were sexually attacked. One commentator asked: where are the men? "Can you imagine thousands of foreign men attacking Egyptian or Turkish young women, and the men doing nothing? Impossible! There would be hell to pay!" (Germany eventually gave light sentences to a handful of men.)

Meanwhile, Poland, Hungary, and Russia appear cosmopolitan, calm, peaceful, urbane, just like Europe of 1990.
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In reply to sycasey • 2:40p, 11/10/25
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
He distanced himself from Mamdani.

Yes, and who cares? Mamdani is the winner in New York and appeals to the electorate there. He is not yet popular nationally. Pete is being rational here.

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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:56a, 11/11/25
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Hear no evil, see no evil and Evil
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In reply to Aunburdened • 8:45a, 11/14/25
Vapid?
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1:17a, 11/18/25
This is the best example yet of how full of **** Democrats are when they talk about defending democracy.

A Democrat announced his retirement after the deadline to file paperwork to run for his open position so that his chief of staff would be the only candidate for the Democratic party primary.

One brave Democrat proposed a resolution rebuking him for election subversion.



Only two Democrats voted to allow debate to rebuke him for his underhanded ploy.





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12:07p, 11/18/25

Hakeem is a lot DIRTIER than he lets on to the people. It's time for him to be exposed.

He was friends with both EPSTEIN AND DIDDY.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 12:27p, 11/18/25
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This is the best example yet of how full of **** Democrats are when they talk about defending democracy.

A Democrat announced his retirement after the deadline to file paperwork to run for his open position so that his chief of staff would be the only candidate for the Democratic party primary.

One brave Democrat proposed a resolution rebuking him for election subversion.



Only two Democrats voted to allow debate to rebuke him for his underhanded ploy.






I agree that this was shady behavior the party shouldn't support.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 1:19p, 11/18/25
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This is the best example yet of how full of **** Democrats are when they talk about defending democracy.

A Democrat announced his retirement after the deadline to file paperwork to run for his open position so that his chief of staff would be the only candidate for the Democratic party primary.

One brave Democrat proposed a resolution rebuking him for election subversion.



Only two Democrats voted to allow debate to rebuke him for his underhanded ploy.






Here is the thing. That just doesn't create ANY rise from me and feels (I say this with real sincerity) like a nothing burger. I guess it is from being in Politics way too long where retiring congressmen pass off to their COS, their wives, their sons all their infrastructure and time their retirement for precisely this purpose. In other cases, resignation is timed so that people get to run as "incumbents" rather than open seats as chosen few are hand picked. I mean it happens so frequently that is simple is normal course. Both sides do it. It isn't at all good but it is SOP.

The difference is contesting essentially fair and free elections. That is NOT SOP. That is why people are upset.

And when You (and other folks on the right) don't draw that distinction it leads either to the conclusion that

1) you are not paying attention
2) You are being highly disingenuous in your arguments and, in fact, are debating in bad faith.

PS. Here are 2 recent examples (there are SO many) on the GOP side in San Diego COunty:

1) Duncan Hunter Senior essentially handed all his infrastructure (and is NAME - Junior didn't include Junior o the Ballot) to ensure his son - a now conviced felon) sould slide right into Dad's seat when the time came. There was exactly ZERO outrage by the local party.

2) Currently Congressman Issa is strongly working to get his former COS elected to the BOS so that he is positioned to "slide into" that election in the near future. Redisctriciting has thrown a huge pile of S in that plan but it is still ongoing. Again, absolutely NO outrage by the party.

And again - true on the D side - you can't look at the revolving door in South Bay Dem politics without taking a shower and Congresswoman Jacob essentially has her seat and got though the primary based upon intergenerational wealth over candidates with longer track records.
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In reply to socaltownie • 2:06p, 11/18/25
socaltownie said:
Aunburdened said:
This is the best example yet of how full of **** Democrats are when they talk about defending democracy.

A Democrat announced his retirement after the deadline to file paperwork to run for his open position so that his chief of staff would be the only candidate for the Democratic party primary.

One brave Democrat proposed a resolution rebuking him for election subversion.



Only two Democrats voted to allow debate to rebuke him for his underhanded ploy.




Here is the thing. That just doesn't create ANY rise from me and feels (I say this with real sincerity) like a nothing burger. I guess it is from being in Politics way too long where retiring congressmen pass off to their COS, their wives, their sons all their infrastructure and time their retirement for precisely this purpose. In other cases, resignation is timed so that people get to run as "incumbents" rather than open seats as chosen few are hand picked. I mean it happens so frequently that is simple is normal course. Both sides do it. It isn't at all good but it is SOP.

The difference is contesting essentially fair and free elections. That is NOT SOP. That is why people are upset.

And when You (and other folks on the right) don't draw that distinction it leads either to the conclusion that

1) you are not paying attention
2) You are being highly disingenuous in your arguments and, in fact, are debating in bad faith.

PS. Here are 2 recent examples (there are SO many) on the GOP side in San Diego COunty:

1) Duncan Hunter Senior essentially handed all his infrastructure (and is NAME - Junior didn't include Junior o the Ballot) to ensure his son - a now conviced felon) sould slide right into Dad's seat when the time came. There was exactly ZERO outrage by the local party.

Here is the thing.



Duncan Hunter, Jr. was a candidate in the Republican primary that year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter

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On June 3, 2008, Hunter won the Republican primary with 72% of the vote in a four-candidate field and became the Republican nominee to replace his father, representing the 52nd District.[41][43]

In the general election, Hunter defeated Democratic nominee Mike Lumpkin, a former Navy SEAL, 56%39%.[44][45] Hunter became the first combat veteran of either Iraq or Afghanistan to serve in the U.S. Congress; moreover, he was the first Marine to be elected who had seen combat in both conflicts.


Was it sleazy not to put Jr after his name to make it more clear that it wasn't his father? Kinda. But the California ballot also includes the word "incumbent" next to any incumbent politicians, so there was extra opportunity for voters (who honestly don't put nearly enough though into who their congressman is) to realize it was the son and not the father.

In this case, the incumbent is completing sidestepping the primary process so that his chief of staff gets the nomination by default. Not even close to being the same thing.

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2) Currently Congressman Issa is strongly working to get his former COS elected to the BOS so that he is positioned to "slide into" that election in the near future. Redistricting has thrown a huge pile of S in that plan but it is still ongoing. Again, absolutely NO outrage by the party.

And again - true on the D side - you can't look at the revolving door in South Bay Dem politics without taking a shower and Congresswoman Jacob essentially has her seat and got though the primary based upon intergenerational wealth over candidates with longer track records.

These are terrible counterexamples. Perhaps you should have read the articles above before opining.
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In reply to socaltownie • 7:34p, 11/18/25
You wrote: "The difference is contesting essentially fair and free elections. That is NOT SOP. That is why people are upset."

I was never aware how utterly rigged elections were in Atlanta, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Arizona. Arizona finally removed 50,000 illegal individuals from their rolls. Elections computers bogging down in Conservative districts, election monitors being barred from watching, windows being covered up. This is Third World behavior. They were rigged for years in Florida, too, and when finally cleaned up... Florida became Conservative again.

Who can forget election night 2020 when President Trump was up substantially for term two, then the election systems... only for swing states... all magically go down. Not California, not Wyoming. And when they come back online... Mumbles Biden, who rarely left his basement, amazingly pulled ahead in every swing state. Despite Trump winning Ohio, Florida, and 22 of 23 key districts. Biden got the most votes ever (81M), 11M more than than Obama? The Mumbling, stumbling, incoherent, not-bright candidate.

Sure.
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4:30p, 11/19/25

Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick stole $5 million in FEMA money.

But the GOP is useless if they don't vote these Democrats out of Congress.
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2:59p, 11/20/25

Dems, Jasmine Crockett is not helping your team.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 3:06p, 11/20/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Dems, Jasmine Crockett is not helping your team.

If this convinces her not to run for Senate it would actually probably be good for Democrats.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 3:42p, 11/20/25
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Dems, Jasmine Crockett is not helping your team.

When I see something like this I wonder why the obvious follow up question isn't asked: "If you didn't have time to determine which Jeffrey Epstein it was, why say anything at all?"
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In reply to LudwigsFountain • 12:33p, 11/21/25
Dems know they can say whatever they want because the media will cover for them.
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11:51a, 11/23/25
Democrat female lawmakers are going on network television to tell members of the U.S. military to disobey orders.
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