sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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The issue for MAGA is that at some point it will have to show results, like all political ideologies. They have control right now but it's loose and tenuous. If things don't improve (particularly economically) then their party will be punished like all other parties. Trump is old and won't be around forever; the whole thing can't operate on a cult of personality without him.

I don't doubt that at root of MAGA there is a desire for the country to become more Christian, more white, and more America-first (slam those together and you get White Christian Nationalism, though not all planks of the party may care about all three of these things in equal measure). The further you go into this extreme the more you will lose support from the middle, who mostly just care about pocketbook issues.

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Trump is hardly a right wing idealogue and won the popular vote based on what you referred to as "extreme". The left can't accept that the Democrats lost to a populist candidate again so they use a pejorative phrase to demean not just Trump but more than half the country to make their delusion make sense to them.

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You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but Trump has only narrowly won the popular vote once and when in office has almost never been above 50% approval. That suggests that his support is very tenuous.

I'll use immigration as an example: I think the Trump Administration does have a certain mandate to reduce immigration. The voters pretty clearly expressed that as a preference. Where you can go to extremes are in things like:

1. Sending people directly to prison without trial.
2. Aggressively separating young families and traumatizing children in the street.
3. Sending troops into American cities.
4. Arresting/detaining American citizens without cause.
5. Targeting legal immigrants for speech the government disagrees with.

The public will support a harder line on immigration (for now). The above things will not be broadly supported.

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Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

Obviously this cannot include "Just do everything Trump does" because someone else is already doing that. What would be viable opposition?

I will also note that I did not say anyone should define all Trump voters as extreme: I said there were some aspects to Trumpism that can gain popular support and some that can't.

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• Understand the reasoning behind those voters who switched from Biden in 2020 to Trump in 2024. Was it just pocketbook issues?
• They need to decide whether they're going to address issues that moderates and independents care about or just run another "talk to the base" campaign and rely on scare scenarios (generally justified, but they didn't work in 2024, did they?). Hint: The answer is contained in this data: https://theconversation.com/in-2024-independent-voters-grew-their-share-of-the-vote-split-their-tickets-and-expanded-their-influence-245125
• Regardless of the answers to these questions, the Democrats need to craft dumbed-down messages that get the attention of a progressively more ignorant electorate. Yeah, OK Boomer blah blah blah, but it's absolutely appalling how ignorant much of today's electorate is about basic government. This is true of Dems, Reps, and Indies.

HearstMining said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The issue for MAGA is that at some point it will have to show results, like all political ideologies. They have control right now but it's loose and tenuous. If things don't improve (particularly economically) then their party will be punished like all other parties. Trump is old and won't be around forever; the whole thing can't operate on a cult of personality without him.

I don't doubt that at root of MAGA there is a desire for the country to become more Christian, more white, and more America-first (slam those together and you get White Christian Nationalism, though not all planks of the party may care about all three of these things in equal measure). The further you go into this extreme the more you will lose support from the middle, who mostly just care about pocketbook issues.

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Trump is hardly a right wing idealogue and won the popular vote based on what you referred to as "extreme". The left can't accept that the Democrats lost to a populist candidate again so they use a pejorative phrase to demean not just Trump but more than half the country to make their delusion make sense to them.

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You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but Trump has only narrowly won the popular vote once and when in office has almost never been above 50% approval. That suggests that his support is very tenuous.

I'll use immigration as an example: I think the Trump Administration does have a certain mandate to reduce immigration. The voters pretty clearly expressed that as a preference. Where you can go to extremes are in things like:

1. Sending people directly to prison without trial.
2. Aggressively separating young families and traumatizing children in the street.
3. Sending troops into American cities.
4. Arresting/detaining American citizens without cause.
5. Targeting legal immigrants for speech the government disagrees with.

The public will support a harder line on immigration (for now). The above things will not be broadly supported.

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Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

Obviously this cannot include "Just do everything Trump does" because someone else is already doing that. What would be viable opposition?

I will also note that I did not say anyone should define all Trump voters as extreme: I said there were some aspects to Trumpism that can gain popular support and some that can't.

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IMO, here are a couple of things the Democrats need to do:

• Understand the reasoning behind those voters who switched from Biden in 2020 to Trump in 2024. Was it just pocketbook issues?
• They need to decide whether they're going to address issues that moderates and independents care about or just run another "talk to the base" campaign and rely on scare scenarios (generally justified, but they didn't work in 2024, did they?). Hint: The answer is contained in this data: https://theconversation.com/in-2024-independent-voters-grew-their-share-of-the-vote-split-their-tickets-and-expanded-their-influence-245125
• Regardless of the answers to these questions, the Democrats need to craft dumbed-down messages that get the attention of a progressively more ignorant electorate. Yeah, OK Boomer blah blah blah, but it's absolutely appalling how ignorant much of today's electorate is about basic government. This is true of Dems, Reps, and Indies.

Signed,
A casual moderate Republican most of my life but when I realized I hadn't voted for a Republican presidential candidate since George HW Bush, I finally registered as an Independent.

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

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If there was a Chris Rufo of the left who could make strategic decisions and actually marshall action, she would say right now that defending Platner is not only important as the best way for Dems to win the Maine Senate seat, but also is strategically imperative in order to… https://t.co/ioIPFlygT8

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) October 23, 2025

sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The issue for MAGA is that at some point it will have to show results, like all political ideologies. They have control right now but it's loose and tenuous. If things don't improve (particularly economically) then their party will be punished like all other parties. Trump is old and won't be around forever; the whole thing can't operate on a cult of personality without him.

I don't doubt that at root of MAGA there is a desire for the country to become more Christian, more white, and more America-first (slam those together and you get White Christian Nationalism, though not all planks of the party may care about all three of these things in equal measure). The further you go into this extreme the more you will lose support from the middle, who mostly just care about pocketbook issues.

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Trump is hardly a right wing idealogue and won the popular vote based on what you referred to as "extreme". The left can't accept that the Democrats lost to a populist candidate again so they use a pejorative phrase to demean not just Trump but more than half the country to make their delusion make sense to them.

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You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but Trump has only narrowly won the popular vote once and when in office has almost never been above 50% approval. That suggests that his support is very tenuous.

I'll use immigration as an example: I think the Trump Administration does have a certain mandate to reduce immigration. The voters pretty clearly expressed that as a preference. Where you can go to extremes are in things like:

1. Sending people directly to prison without trial.
2. Aggressively separating young families and traumatizing children in the street.
3. Sending troops into American cities.
4. Arresting/detaining American citizens without cause.
5. Targeting legal immigrants for speech the government disagrees with.

The public will support a harder line on immigration (for now). The above things will not be broadly supported.

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Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

Obviously this cannot include "Just do everything Trump does" because someone else is already doing that. What would be viable opposition?

I will also note that I did not say anyone should define all Trump voters as extreme: I said there were some aspects to Trumpism that can gain popular support and some that can't.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The issue for MAGA is that at some point it will have to show results, like all political ideologies. They have control right now but it's loose and tenuous. If things don't improve (particularly economically) then their party will be punished like all other parties. Trump is old and won't be around forever; the whole thing can't operate on a cult of personality without him.

I don't doubt that at root of MAGA there is a desire for the country to become more Christian, more white, and more America-first (slam those together and you get White Christian Nationalism, though not all planks of the party may care about all three of these things in equal measure). The further you go into this extreme the more you will lose support from the middle, who mostly just care about pocketbook issues.

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Trump is hardly a right wing idealogue and won the popular vote based on what you referred to as "extreme". The left can't accept that the Democrats lost to a populist candidate again so they use a pejorative phrase to demean not just Trump but more than half the country to make their delusion make sense to them.

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You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but Trump has only narrowly won the popular vote once and when in office has almost never been above 50% approval. That suggests that his support is very tenuous.

I'll use immigration as an example: I think the Trump Administration does have a certain mandate to reduce immigration. The voters pretty clearly expressed that as a preference. Where you can go to extremes are in things like:

1. Sending people directly to prison without trial.
2. Aggressively separating young families and traumatizing children in the street.
3. Sending troops into American cities.
4. Arresting/detaining American citizens without cause.
5. Targeting legal immigrants for speech the government disagrees with.

The public will support a harder line on immigration (for now). The above things will not be broadly supported.

---

Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

Obviously this cannot include "Just do everything Trump does" because someone else is already doing that. What would be viable opposition?

I will also note that I did not say anyone should define all Trump voters as extreme: I said there were some aspects to Trumpism that can gain popular support and some that can't.

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Democrats need someone with courage to reach out to Trump and develop a relationship with him since he's willing to negotiate. They will also need that person to find a way to distance themselves from the old Democratic establishment and the far left wing of the party. Unfortunately, it's difficult to distinguish between those two groups anymore and they also draw in the big money.

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So your answer is "be more like Trump." Shocking.

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Democrats need to pick and choose their battles. They're looking foolish for attacking Trump on everything including policies that were previously supported by liberals.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The issue for MAGA is that at some point it will have to show results, like all political ideologies. They have control right now but it's loose and tenuous. If things don't improve (particularly economically) then their party will be punished like all other parties. Trump is old and won't be around forever; the whole thing can't operate on a cult of personality without him.

I don't doubt that at root of MAGA there is a desire for the country to become more Christian, more white, and more America-first (slam those together and you get White Christian Nationalism, though not all planks of the party may care about all three of these things in equal measure). The further you go into this extreme the more you will lose support from the middle, who mostly just care about pocketbook issues.

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Trump is hardly a right wing idealogue and won the popular vote based on what you referred to as "extreme". The left can't accept that the Democrats lost to a populist candidate again so they use a pejorative phrase to demean not just Trump but more than half the country to make their delusion make sense to them.

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You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but Trump has only narrowly won the popular vote once and when in office has almost never been above 50% approval. That suggests that his support is very tenuous.

I'll use immigration as an example: I think the Trump Administration does have a certain mandate to reduce immigration. The voters pretty clearly expressed that as a preference. Where you can go to extremes are in things like:

1. Sending people directly to prison without trial.
2. Aggressively separating young families and traumatizing children in the street.
3. Sending troops into American cities.
4. Arresting/detaining American citizens without cause.
5. Targeting legal immigrants for speech the government disagrees with.

The public will support a harder line on immigration (for now). The above things will not be broadly supported.

---

Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

Obviously this cannot include "Just do everything Trump does" because someone else is already doing that. What would be viable opposition?

I will also note that I did not say anyone should define all Trump voters as extreme: I said there were some aspects to Trumpism that can gain popular support and some that can't.

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Democrats need someone with courage to reach out to Trump and develop a relationship with him since he's willing to negotiate. They will also need that person to find a way to distance themselves from the old Democratic establishment and the far left wing of the party. Unfortunately, it's difficult to distinguish between those two groups anymore and they also draw in the big money.

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So your answer is "be more like Trump." Shocking.

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Democrats need to pick and choose their battles. They're looking foolish for attacking Trump on everything including policies that were previously supported by liberals.

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What is the right battle to pick, in your view?

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The same old stuff the left and right used to argue about for years prior to Trump - spending, budgets, taxes, social programs, foreign policy...

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The issue for MAGA is that at some point it will have to show results, like all political ideologies. They have control right now but it's loose and tenuous. If things don't improve (particularly economically) then their party will be punished like all other parties. Trump is old and won't be around forever; the whole thing can't operate on a cult of personality without him.

I don't doubt that at root of MAGA there is a desire for the country to become more Christian, more white, and more America-first (slam those together and you get White Christian Nationalism, though not all planks of the party may care about all three of these things in equal measure). The further you go into this extreme the more you will lose support from the middle, who mostly just care about pocketbook issues.

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Trump is hardly a right wing idealogue and won the popular vote based on what you referred to as "extreme". The left can't accept that the Democrats lost to a populist candidate again so they use a pejorative phrase to demean not just Trump but more than half the country to make their delusion make sense to them.

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You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but Trump has only narrowly won the popular vote once and when in office has almost never been above 50% approval. That suggests that his support is very tenuous.

I'll use immigration as an example: I think the Trump Administration does have a certain mandate to reduce immigration. The voters pretty clearly expressed that as a preference. Where you can go to extremes are in things like:

1. Sending people directly to prison without trial.
2. Aggressively separating young families and traumatizing children in the street.
3. Sending troops into American cities.
4. Arresting/detaining American citizens without cause.
5. Targeting legal immigrants for speech the government disagrees with.

The public will support a harder line on immigration (for now). The above things will not be broadly supported.

---

Referring to more than half the country as extreme or deplorable or any other pejorative isn't going to help the Democratic Party win more votes. Instead of trying to learn from the mistakes they've made since Trump entered politics, they are doubling down on them. This is why they are in the state they are in as you mentioned.

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Okay, let's have it: what do you think Democrats should do?

Obviously this cannot include "Just do everything Trump does" because someone else is already doing that. What would be viable opposition?

I will also note that I did not say anyone should define all Trump voters as extreme: I said there were some aspects to Trumpism that can gain popular support and some that can't.

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Democrats need someone with courage to reach out to Trump and develop a relationship with him since he's willing to negotiate. They will also need that person to find a way to distance themselves from the old Democratic establishment and the far left wing of the party. Unfortunately, it's difficult to distinguish between those two groups anymore and they also draw in the big money.

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So your answer is "be more like Trump." Shocking.

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Democrats need to pick and choose their battles. They're looking foolish for attacking Trump on everything including policies that were previously supported by liberals.

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What is the right battle to pick, in your view?

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The same old stuff the left and right used to argue about for years prior to Trump - spending, budgets, taxes, social programs, foreign policy...

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One of the major issues I brought up in this thread was immigration and how the Trump administration is handling it. You think this is not part of that?

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The Democrats disqualified themselves to voice anything related to immigration based on the last four years with Biden for allowing the country to be invaded.

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To me Republicans did that by embracing the family separation policy under Trump, but to each his own I guess.

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Human trafficking, child trafficking, drug trafficking...Americans don't want this. But Democratic politicians can't say anything because the people in charge of their party want it.

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socaltownie said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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socaltownie said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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bearister said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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socaltownie said:

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At the heart the MAGA project is about White Christian Nationalism. I really do NOT want to use that term pejoratively but it encompasses the central issue of a reactionist attack against 4 big trends in the first quarter of the 21st century

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The bad guys shot and killed white Christian nationalism and church attendance and Turning Point USA enrollment exploded across the country. Huge fail!

The problem isn't white Christian nationalism. Democrats still haven't self-reflected to understand why they lost multiple elections to Donald Trump and continue to delude themselves. Just listen to NPR for half an hour and you can tell they're still clueless.

So coming up with a messaging strategy won't work because one, the Democrats don't know what they believe anymore, and two, Americans distrust legacy media more than ever after years of gaslighting. I hear the Chinese don't consume their own mainstream media because they understand it's just CCP propaganda. Besides, Elon Musk owns Twitter so the Democrats and the Deep State have no control over the de facto town square.

I see only three options:

1. Hope there is a group of sinister elements working within the Trump admin to subvert him, ala Russiagate and Spygate.

2. Hope that a political movement arises from the ashes of the Democratic Party and takes it over much like what the Tea Party and MAGA did with the Republican Party.

3. Continue with violence and targeted killings (Kirk, Trump, Scalise, etc...)

The third option appears trendy with the left these days.

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"Democrats still haven't self-reflected to understand why they lost multiple elections to Donald Trump and continue to delude themselves."

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When media interviewed No Kings protestors over the weekend to ask why they are protesting and why they think Trump was behaving like a king, most couldn't give any specific examples. One or two were outraged over ICE. I believe you and others here are no different from them.

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The "media"????!!! I amjSURE you watched every show and read every newspaper. Do you really believe two randos constitute a sample?

You sir, are exhibit one in what is wrong with our education system.

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CNN and NPR. The protestors were emotional, though, I give them credit for that. I'm waiting until you start using ALL CAPS.

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Oh this quote from NPR (after 60 seconds of googling). Feels pretty smart on to me

" "Now listen, there are those in this country who have decided at the behest of the President to declare war on Chicago and American cities across this country!" the Democratic official said. "But we are here to stand firm, to stand committed that we will not bend, we will not bow, we will not cower, we will not submit to the authoritarianism that is coming down!"

or

"Adam Livingston, a 35-year-old Marine Corps veteran, wore fatigues and carried a Marine Corps flag.
"Veterans and even active duty service members need to realize that we're loyal to the Constitution and not to a faith, a political party, an ideology, or a man," he said."

or Jenny (I want to give her a hug)

"Jenny Colombo held a rainbow-trimmed sign that said "The Emperor Has No Clothes."
"I feel President Trump is the epitome of that character," Colombo told member station KERA. "Everybody is just walking around him, everybody can see what's going on, and they're all just supporting him blindly.""

You are fact free again. Stop it. YOu are embarassing yourself.

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Democrats need to pick and choose their battles. They're looking foolish for attacking Trump on everything including policies that were previously supported by liberals.

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What is the right battle to pick, in your view?

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Yeah, Dems need the populist left’s economic instincts without the populist left’s cultural baggage that centrists covered themselves in during cancel culture. So it requires the centrists to go left on econ and the leftists to go “center” (back to like 2011) on culture. https://t.co/HdZA8dbp4d

— Emily Jashinsky (@emilyjashinsky) October 27, 2025

Aunburdened said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Democrats need to pick and choose their battles. They're looking foolish for attacking Trump on everything including policies that were previously supported by liberals.

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What is the right battle to pick, in your view?

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Yeah, Dems need the populist left’s economic instincts without the populist left’s cultural baggage that centrists covered themselves in during cancel culture. So it requires the centrists to go left on econ and the leftists to go “center” (back to like 2011) on culture. https://t.co/HdZA8dbp4d

— Emily Jashinsky (@emilyjashinsky) October 27, 2025

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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socaltownie said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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bearister said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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socaltownie said:

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At the heart the MAGA project is about White Christian Nationalism. I really do NOT want to use that term pejoratively but it encompasses the central issue of a reactionist attack against 4 big trends in the first quarter of the 21st century

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The bad guys shot and killed white Christian nationalism and church attendance and Turning Point USA enrollment exploded across the country. Huge fail!

The problem isn't white Christian nationalism. Democrats still haven't self-reflected to understand why they lost multiple elections to Donald Trump and continue to delude themselves. Just listen to NPR for half an hour and you can tell they're still clueless.

So coming up with a messaging strategy won't work because one, the Democrats don't know what they believe anymore, and two, Americans distrust legacy media more than ever after years of gaslighting. I hear the Chinese don't consume their own mainstream media because they understand it's just CCP propaganda. Besides, Elon Musk owns Twitter so the Democrats and the Deep State have no control over the de facto town square.

I see only three options:

1. Hope there is a group of sinister elements working within the Trump admin to subvert him, ala Russiagate and Spygate.

2. Hope that a political movement arises from the ashes of the Democratic Party and takes it over much like what the Tea Party and MAGA did with the Republican Party.

3. Continue with violence and targeted killings (Kirk, Trump, Scalise, etc...)

The third option appears trendy with the left these days.

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"Democrats still haven't self-reflected to understand why they lost multiple elections to Donald Trump and continue to delude themselves."

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When media interviewed No Kings protestors over the weekend to ask why they are protesting and why they think Trump was behaving like a king, most couldn't give any specific examples. One or two were outraged over ICE. I believe you and others here are no different from them.

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The "media"????!!! I amjSURE you watched every show and read every newspaper. Do you really believe two randos constitute a sample?

You sir, are exhibit one in what is wrong with our education system.

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CNN and NPR. The protestors were emotional, though, I give them credit for that. I'm waiting until you start using ALL CAPS.

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Oh this quote from NPR (after 60 seconds of googling). Feels pretty smart on to me

" "Now listen, there are those in this country who have decided at the behest of the President to declare war on Chicago and American cities across this country!" the Democratic official said. "But we are here to stand firm, to stand committed that we will not bend, we will not bow, we will not cower, we will not submit to the authoritarianism that is coming down!"

or

"Adam Livingston, a 35-year-old Marine Corps veteran, wore fatigues and carried a Marine Corps flag.
"Veterans and even active duty service members need to realize that we're loyal to the Constitution and not to a faith, a political party, an ideology, or a man," he said."

or Jenny (I want to give her a hug)

"Jenny Colombo held a rainbow-trimmed sign that said "The Emperor Has No Clothes."
"I feel President Trump is the epitome of that character," Colombo told member station KERA. "Everybody is just walking around him, everybody can see what's going on, and they're all just supporting him blindly.""

You are fact free again. Stop it. YOu are embarassing yourself.

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None of those are facts…

He's not declaring war on Chicago or any city, he's enforcing the law.

Military enrollment is up.

You have no idea what the people around him think and neither does Jenny Colombo.

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socaltownie said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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socaltownie said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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bearister said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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socaltownie said:

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At the heart the MAGA project is about White Christian Nationalism. I really do NOT want to use that term pejoratively but it encompasses the central issue of a reactionist attack against 4 big trends in the first quarter of the 21st century

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The bad guys shot and killed white Christian nationalism and church attendance and Turning Point USA enrollment exploded across the country. Huge fail!

The problem isn't white Christian nationalism. Democrats still haven't self-reflected to understand why they lost multiple elections to Donald Trump and continue to delude themselves. Just listen to NPR for half an hour and you can tell they're still clueless.

So coming up with a messaging strategy won't work because one, the Democrats don't know what they believe anymore, and two, Americans distrust legacy media more than ever after years of gaslighting. I hear the Chinese don't consume their own mainstream media because they understand it's just CCP propaganda. Besides, Elon Musk owns Twitter so the Democrats and the Deep State have no control over the de facto town square.

I see only three options:

1. Hope there is a group of sinister elements working within the Trump admin to subvert him, ala Russiagate and Spygate.

2. Hope that a political movement arises from the ashes of the Democratic Party and takes it over much like what the Tea Party and MAGA did with the Republican Party.

3. Continue with violence and targeted killings (Kirk, Trump, Scalise, etc...)

The third option appears trendy with the left these days.

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"Democrats still haven't self-reflected to understand why they lost multiple elections to Donald Trump and continue to delude themselves."

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When media interviewed No Kings protestors over the weekend to ask why they are protesting and why they think Trump was behaving like a king, most couldn't give any specific examples. One or two were outraged over ICE. I believe you and others here are no different from them.

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The "media"????!!! I amjSURE you watched every show and read every newspaper. Do you really believe two randos constitute a sample?

You sir, are exhibit one in what is wrong with our education system.

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CNN and NPR. The protestors were emotional, though, I give them credit for that. I'm waiting until you start using ALL CAPS.

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Oh this quote from NPR (after 60 seconds of googling). Feels pretty smart on to me

" "Now listen, there are those in this country who have decided at the behest of the President to declare war on Chicago and American cities across this country!" the Democratic official said. "But we are here to stand firm, to stand committed that we will not bend, we will not bow, we will not cower, we will not submit to the authoritarianism that is coming down!"

or

"Adam Livingston, a 35-year-old Marine Corps veteran, wore fatigues and carried a Marine Corps flag.
"Veterans and even active duty service members need to realize that we're loyal to the Constitution and not to a faith, a political party, an ideology, or a man," he said."

or Jenny (I want to give her a hug)

"Jenny Colombo held a rainbow-trimmed sign that said "The Emperor Has No Clothes."
"I feel President Trump is the epitome of that character," Colombo told member station KERA. "Everybody is just walking around him, everybody can see what's going on, and they're all just supporting him blindly.""

You are fact free again. Stop it. YOu are embarassing yourself.

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None of those are facts…

He's not declaring war on Chicago or any city, he's enforcing the law.

Military enrollment is up.

You have no idea what the people around him think and neither does Jenny Colombo.

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Your partner in Magaland wrote " When media interviewed No Kings protestors over the weekend to ask why they are protesting and why they think Trump was behaving like a king, most couldn't give any specific examples."

The above suggested they had examples.

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Aunburdened said:

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Most people who criticize the vapidness of the Democratic Party moved on from Sanders actually after he spent all his political capital defending his good friend Genocide Joe. It's only the dull centrists who keep bringing him up. Still, LOL.

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Why are you responding to me here? Did I mention Bernie Sanders?

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tequila4kapp said:

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EDIT: you are also incorrect when you assert that D's lack a cohesive narrative when they go big. AOC, Bernie and Planter are Socialists. You can't go much bigger than that. And that proves my point...the party just moves further left. For an alternative perspective on the rise of AOC, Mandami (and by extension Planter) and the state of the D party see today's article in Reason.

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"We have to not say we tried it and it didn't work" is everything that's wrong with the Democratic Party in one sentence. https://t.co/Ocpo2yMnBf

— Ken Klippenstein (NSPM-7 Compliant) (@kenklippenstein) November 3, 2025